Opinion on spoiler

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#1 by koichi
2018-01-16 at 00:05
Want some opinion on this one. Is Maria is Ria's reincarnation? Or simply just some kind of coincidence that she resembles her?

Remember, ria real hair color is black, making her disguise maria bishop is her real appearance if not for her illness, and the game never imply something about reincarnation, so just want some opinion on this one.
#2 by realitymaker
2018-01-16 at 00:47
Maria Bishop is Ria with a black hair wig. She's normally bald because of surgery. There's no reincarnation or anything like that. I'm confused why you'd think of that based on your second statement.Last modified on 2018-01-16 at 00:53
#3 by sakurakoi
2018-01-16 at 01:06
Nakige in a nutshell:
Step 1: Kill the Cutie
Step 2: Reincarnate as the child of the best friend (might as well also retain memories, not necessarily but some also do that)
Step 3: ???
Step 4: Profit

(yes, it is indeed a very common combination and ofc, it is implied enough by appearance alone.)

Maria Bishop
Wrong Maria (Right Maria). What you "spoiler" is essentially what is already said in the 2nd paragraph which quite well explains why one would assume that reincarnation BS happened (both Marias have the same appearance) ofc souls do not exist in the first place and even less so would carry over genetics but welp, welcome to the world of fiction.

Regarding baldness, I'd be surprised if those who know that they will become bald because of medical whatever are not able to use the hair to make a wig or at least get one in the style of their old hair, costs covered by their insurance/government even, to get at least some normalcy back. Well, unless ofc you live in a country which is technically not one which one would count as "1st world".
#4 by realitymaker
2018-01-16 at 01:29
The heck, did I somehow not see this in the epilogue? I remember that Sylvia talked about naming their daughter Maria, but I didn’t see this Maria at all.
#5 by koichi
2018-01-16 at 02:25
During sylvia route, last choice between waiting for her or enter the room and have h with her, choose enter the room, then go skip to the epilogue, there will be additional scene, but only if you have finish ria route first.

Regarding ria hair, it's black all right , or to be more precise supposed to be black, mentioned in the game, but because of surgery , she hide it with her wig in the past, her current hair is something she receive from sylvia.
#6 by kuromath
2018-01-17 at 01:52
Still worth it
#7 by koichi
2018-01-21 at 16:31
Okay , conclusion:
Maria is Souma Ria reincarnation.

Only found out about it after reading the story again.Last modified on 2018-01-21 at 16:33
#8 by kidbuu25
2018-02-19 at 19:12
I wanted to make a new thread but I think it's ok to talk here. I followed the walkthrough after finishing the additional epilogue and went into Extra mode to see there is one CG of Ria getting married. I was like "Wtf is this? Firstly they killed the best heroine then make her reincarnated as someone's child and now they troll me with this coming out of nowhere CG?" Seriously this really triggered me since if you want to make a happy ending for her then at least do your job properly even with nonsense magic related miracle or something like that rather than this bullshit.Last modified on 2018-02-19 at 19:13
#9 by koichi
2018-02-20 at 21:22
dude, she reincarnated in sylvia route is probaly the writer idea to give her a second chance for happiness & nomal life without affected by illness. and if we go with your idea of happy ending with some miracle heal her illness, it's not bad but will ruin the idea and the meaning of her story, making her entire hardship suddenly gone without reason. remember her story is about [ a girl that has lived her life walking in thin ice and finally lived a happy life in her remaining life and her loved one that continued to act cool for her to the end] .
a more fitting end rather than miracle will be both reunited in afterlife like shiro and saber in fate.
#10 by kidbuu25
2018-02-21 at 02:57
Nothing against writer's idea or anything I just don't like realistic endings where people get unrewarded results no matter how hard they tried to get better. We got enough of these things from reality so at least I don't seek them in fiction where I want to feel relaxed and have fun just to feel salty more. That's why Nakige with this kind of ending always leave bad taste in my mouth since I wanted to see the characters I grew to like and felt sympathetic with can finally obtain happiness after struggling with their hardships. I felt like getting slapped in the face with "Good job trying (reading) until now but this is reality so it can't be helped (Lol)". Besides it's not like this game was trying to be realistic either with stuff like reincarnation and time traveling (If I'm not mistaken then the box with the gold ticket in it which was thrown into the lake by MC in Ria's epilogue will come back to the past for them to get it and become the reason for them to get along again as kids) so I don't see anything bad with making up a miracle for Ria to have a happy ending. This reminds me of Ame ending in D.S but at least they made up for it with stupid nonsense miracle latter with the FD so I'm ok with it.

Complaints asides, this is not a bad game overall with Ria alone because other heroines seemed bland to me. If it was not for her ending I would rate this game higher. Well time to cure my salty feeling with the usual way because Nukige is the best medicine for Nakige lol.Last modified on 2018-02-21 at 03:21
#11 by kiru
2018-02-21 at 11:16
^The problem is more that it's not going anywhere with it. People dying, even is "unfair", is a valid point in stories. But completely skipping over everything that means is just a cheap thing to get people to feel sad. As such it's not really realistic either. Deaths like in this story always mean something in reality.
That's why I found this so funny. The girl in question has a line where she said she doesn't like stories where someone just dies because that's supposed to make the audience sad. And bam, she's in just that story. Very meta.Last modified on 2018-02-21 at 11:16
#12 by koichi
2018-02-21 at 18:31
well , for all opinions that you guys have, this game is considered game of the year in getchu, ranking 1 in story, OST, and all 2017 VN. With Ria , Sylvia, Maria Bishop, and Reina each get ank 1,3, 7, & 14 respectively in character rank.Last modified on 2018-02-21 at 18:35
#13 by kidbuu25
2018-02-21 at 19:27
Ranking has nothing to do with personal feeling and look like Nakige is current trend right now so it makes sense for them to have more sad endings rather than some cheap miracles. In the end it depends on personal tastes and look like I'm on minority side to wish for a happy ending no matter how ridiculous it is. This game is definitely the best in this year in my opinion too but just the ending of Ria didn't sit well with me. And she ranked 1 in character ranking is not a surprise either.
#14 by 420yoloswag
2018-04-14 at 08:06
I looked in the cgs too after finishing her route and was like wtf is this cg? Are they actually trolling us or am I missing something somewhere?
#15 by 420yoloswag
2018-04-14 at 08:23
Ok, I did some more searching and from what these guys are saying in the comments here , it's not in the actual story itself. Also, the guide on seiya seems to confirm it as well. seiya guide
#16 by koichi
2018-04-15 at 14:43
Look at the comment on this if you want to understand


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