Suspicious voting behavior reporting thread
|#1 by yorhel|
2018-02-28 at 06:17
|This thread will continue t3943. I'm remaking the thread because the previous one caused some confusion over what is considered a "troll vote" and when it makes sense to report a suspicious-looking vote.|
VNDB has an "ignore list", which is a list of user accounts that have been seen voting on visual novels in a way that totally doesn't make sense. Any votes cast by accounts on the ignore list will not count towards the visual novel voting statistics (including the vote graph, averages and popularity), but other than that there's no penalty.
These are the only ways to get on that list:
1. Vote on unreleased games (not even a trial available).
2. Openly admit to voting in a certain way just to screw the stats.
3. Use multiple accounts to vote.
If you have a suspicion that someone is engaging in one of those 3 activities, feel free to report them here. Any other accusation of odd voting patterns will be ignored. Yes, people are permitted to be retards and vote a 1 or 10 on every game they played. :)
|#2 by traumatizer|
2018-02-28 at 06:26
|Alright, I'll take the lead and first strike.|
v21002 has two votes, one public and the other hidden. Game's not out yet and those votes have apparently been there for a while already.
|#3 by vempele|
2018-02-28 at 09:41
|Shouldn't 1 be easy to mostly automate with a database query? Not fully since the release info on VNDB could be missing or out of date.|
|#4 by yorhel|
2018-02-28 at 17:02
Shouldn't 1 be easy to mostly automate with a database query?I do sometimes perform a few random checks to find duplicate accounts, but haven't bothered checking for votes on unreleased games for some reason. You're right though, that's not too hard to automate to some extend.
|#5 by fuukanou|
2018-02-28 at 17:12
|Do you get on the ignore list with one mistake, or do you have to be actively screwing with the system?|
|#6 by cockblockula|
2018-02-28 at 17:45
Yes, people are permitted to be retards and vote a 1 or 10 on every game they played. :)Shouldn't it be classified as a 'troll vote' since they are obviously trolling and manipulating the VN's average vote stats
|#7 by sakurakoi|
2018-02-28 at 19:04
they are obviously trolling and manipulating the VN's average vote statseven if something seems obvious or maybe precisely so, it is worth considering that e.g they did actually read/played more but only bothered to add those to a list while indeed they share the same opinion as ol' humble me: Without elaborating, this voting system (X-Y) is terrible and should be terminated, for indeed, individual systems of voting vary (i.e where anything at or below 7 or even 8 is bad...). Ultimately, the system only serves to make popular works in popular genres even more popular (back when I started with anime, I sure did sort them after vote and saw those which piqued my interest) while anything else... anyway:
I only give a 10 or nothing for at least I can say that those 3 titles which I rated as "perfect" were indeed in their own right flawless. I refuse to decide upon some arbitrary number, not because I want to screw with the system but simply because I can not, like everyone else (though some many still do...). Either I recommend something, I do not or really can not decide and refrain from either. Now if that makes me fall under 2 somehow and a "troll voter"...
P.S I never had the chance to "met" something worthy of being a 1 or rather 0 ("under no circumstances, do not approach!"), even in trash games there can be some enjoyment found. A 1 literary must be a thingy that can not start (ever) or even be a virus, or maybe the art is so awful... but maybe even that can be worth a laugh for a few who like to have their eyes literary bleed, same goes for any other sense or feeling but alas a 1 could not express what makes something unbearable for any remotely sane person.
|#8 by yorhel|
2018-02-28 at 19:16
Do you get on the ignore list with one mistake, or do you have to be actively screwing with the system?One is enough, the listed offenses are indicative enough of incompetence or malice.
Shouldn't it be classified as a 'troll vote' since they are obviously trolling and manipulating the VN's average vote statsI have no intention to moderate people's votes beyond a few simple rules. "Obvious" tends to get blurry really fast, and a few troll votes really don't matter much in the grand scheme. And, in fact, any penalties based solely on voting pattern can be done algorithmically should that ever be necessary. But I shot down t2728 because I don't think it is.
|#9 by harleyquin|
2018-03-09 at 15:56
|link only votes 10, including games which have no demo or trial like link|
|#10 by syona|
2018-03-09 at 19:32
|What about people who seem to be voting to manipulate statistics? For example, a user who gives 1 to several top rated games, and 10 to one or another. I've seen that before.|
|#11 by fuukanou|
2018-03-09 at 22:45
|#10, read #8, your exact question is answered.|
|#12 by lunaterra|
2018-03-16 at 16:07
|A bit old, but...I just noticed that Satellite had three 1 votes on the same day, and two of those votes were by accounts that are just one ID number apart (118075 and 118076)...it's possible that it's just a coincidence, but I suspect that someone created multiple accounts just to vote 1 on this VN.|
|#13 by sakurakoi|
2018-03-16 at 17:06
but I suspecter.. I would certainly, without doubt, be sure that those are alt accounts of the 1st who voted 1, apart from just giving 1s... has quite some lame sense in naming "stoptrash"&"topkek".
Needless to say that 10 is what one would call suspicious but rather than being from a developer (imho one should never vote for oneself or be allowed to but welp...), the benefit of the doubt allows blind fan(atic)s to vote however they like... not that it does deserve a 1 (literary nothing does) but based on the description, I honestly doubt that the writer produced a flawless masterpiece but this is not the place to discuss that anyway. I just like to note again how a binary recommend/not recommend would be much less hassle (even if one would add a third choice: abstain to show that one wants to abstain).
In any event I am still rather wondering if my statement was taken as
indicative enough of incompetence or malicefor I can certainly see that someone could see it that way regardless of my intent if they want to and I am quite curious if when I can not affect stats anymore, if those votes are still listed where (atm I do not feel like making my 3 humble votes public though I neither have anything against that either. I simply do not care if someone ever calls me out for calling 2 Nukige flawless along with a title which many found too boring but I rather avoid that still). Basically my votes merely mean "if the description piqued your interest, I utterly recommend it"... and I can swiftly find their pages myself, those may be the few VNs I re-read (and replay).
|#14 by yorhel|
2018-03-16 at 17:12
|Why are you even defending your votes? Anyone is free to vote however they wish, provided they don't hit one of those 3 rules. And your votes, while odd, aren't subject to getting on the ignore list.|
And no, there will not be a binary voting system. This isn't even up for discussion.
|#15 by thewayfarer|
2018-03-16 at 19:57
|A...new suspicious vote report thread? Well ok...just as long it can be moderated.|
Anyways, one vote on the unreleased Imadoki Battle Fantasy ~Yuusha to Maou no Dousei Seikatsu~.
|#16 by eacil|
2018-03-28 at 20:26
|Vote on Boku to Nurse no Kenshuu Nisshi. Didn't find a trial.|
Btw, Prekano has a bunch of PS4+PSV DL editions if someone wants to separate. (First time I see console releases for nukige.)
|#17 by thewayfarer|
2018-04-17 at 04:39
|One anonymous vote on the unreleased LOVE³ -Love Cube-|
|#18 by armony|
2018-04-27 at 15:18
|The votes of u34112 and u33893 are oddly similar. The voting style of u34112 is suspicious as well, just look at the number of votes on 2018-02-16, 2014-09-09 or 2012-10-21.|
|#19 by bobjr2000|
2018-04-27 at 16:26
|#18 it could be coincidence but its strange they have almost the exact same favorite VN and least favorite vote.|
|#20 by ayame|
2018-05-12 at 08:59
|There are votes on these unreleased games (no trials):|
link (might be because it's a remake with the same exact name)
linkLast modified on 2018-05-12 at 09:11
|#21 by phantasm|
2018-05-12 at 17:45
Anonymous vote on unreleased game with no trial.
|#22 by cockblockula|
2018-05-22 at 18:01
|vote on unreleased Taimanin Asagi ZERO|
|#23 by amittesukku|
2018-06-03 at 20:50
|Vote on unreleased Tennis Ace.|
|#24 by gamero|
2018-06-04 at 10:22
|Vote on unreleased Motoyan Oku-san to Gyaru Musume-chan.Last modified on 2018-06-04 at 10:22|
|#25 by beliar|
2018-06-16 at 14:02
|One vote on Caladria Chronicles by one of the developers, which is not a crime on the VNDB. However the game hasn't been released yet. There isn't even a demo. I think that qualifies as an illegitimate vote.|
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