Suspicious voting behavior reporting thread

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#76 by molester
2018-12-05 at 17:22
this guy has voted on an unreleased game and has only 10`s in his votes.Last modified on 2018-12-05 at 17:22
#77 by harp
2018-12-05 at 18:20
This guy also gave a 10 on the same title (Tsukikana)
#78 by ramaladni
2018-12-17 at 09:13
Ignore this then.Last modified on 2018-12-17 at 19:11
#79 by wakaranai
2018-12-17 at 14:47
^and? is it illicit?
#80 by bobjr2000
2018-12-17 at 16:46
# 78 well I am assuming guy enjoys his own work
#81 by ramaladni
2018-12-17 at 16:49
Well, I don't know if it's against the rules or not, it's up to the mods.
#82 by wakaranai
2018-12-17 at 17:23
can you come up with a single reason why it might be against the rules? i'm honestly wondering the thought process behind this.
#83 by arkady18
2018-12-18 at 21:02
u35572
Wut?
#84 by kominara
2018-12-18 at 21:08
#83 there's technically nothing in the rules against voting on a three point scale

it's fucking stupid, and i think you should get filtered for doing it, but it's allowed as of right now.

that said, it is a bit tragic that his voting system ends up affecting titles that have very low vote counts like Kagerou Touryuuki, My Merry Maybe, Kikaijikake no Eve -Dea Ex Machina-, and Otaku ☆ MasshiguraLast modified on 2018-12-18 at 21:17
#85 by arkady18
2018-12-18 at 21:18
Well, half of his votes are 1. And many of those games are generally considered must play or something like that.
I can't see those votes as legit. But maybe it's just me.

edit:
that said, it is a bit tragic that his voting system ends up affecting titles that have very low vote counts like Kagerou Touryuuki, My Merry Maybe, Kikaijikake no Eve -Dea Ex Machina-, and Otaku ☆ Masshigura
Exactly. A game with few votes may get a bad average for no reason.Last modified on 2018-12-18 at 21:20
#86 by kominara
2018-12-18 at 21:23
#85 I mean, I can't really believe that any sane human being would give Muramasa or Chaos;Child a 1 either, but the staff has made it pretty clear that they're willing to allow things like this.Last modified on 2018-12-18 at 21:24
#87 by arkady18
2018-12-18 at 21:26
Dunno, I see those as troll or hate votes.
Anyways, I'll let the staff decide. I simply thought it was strange.
#88 by harleyquin
2018-12-20 at 15:36
Shogun-sama wa Otoshigoro Fandisc -Gosanke Dayo! Senin Shuugo-

No trial, already has a vote.
#89 by lunaterra
2019-01-17 at 01:57
Ehh, this isn't totally related to voting but it's what made me wonder in the first place. I suspect that u129047 and u133184 are the same person. Either that or there's two different people out there who have a vendetta towards the same Russian TL group and who voted the same Russian VN a 1 on the same day.

u102357 might also be a sock, but given their voting history, I think they're probably just someone who hates Russian VNs.
#90 by lunaterra
2019-03-07 at 02:34
I'm certain that u33893 and u34112 are the same person. They don't always rate the same VNs on the same day, but they usually do, and their scores are almost always identical.

Number of votes cast by karashi = 564
Number of votes cast by gogo = 710

Number of titles rated by karashi but not gogo = 36
Number of titles rated by gogo but not karashi = 182

Number of titles rated by both karashi and gogo = 528

Number of titles karashi and gogo have given different ratings = 62 (and in nearly all of these cases, their scores are within 1 point of each other)

Number of titles which karashi and gogo have given the same rating = 466

So while there's clearly been an attempt to differentiate the accounts, there's just way too much overlap for them to not be the same person.
#91 by minah
2019-03-07 at 04:30
^I remember noticing their votes a while ago and checking it out, and they appear to be the translation group Twin Project link (credited there as Gogo and Arashi) and probably just have very similar tastes.
#92 by eiesoldar
2019-05-21 at 21:15
u154543 <-way too many 10s, his votes still influence the ratingLast modified on 2019-05-21 at 21:49
#93 by minah
2019-05-21 at 22:51
^ t10302.1
#94 by nozomu
2019-06-10 at 08:50
While apparently people are permitted to vote however they like, what if they haven't played the game?

For example, read this thread. The dude openly admits he rates based on char design and so on, and it's clear he didn't even play the game. This wouldn't be a problem, but he does this pretty often. He has hundreds of 10 votes, and dishes out many of these every day. This is pretty annoying for old games, because there's usually only 1-3 votes, and it's often the case that he's the only vote.

Although I'm sure there's people who vote based on HCG gallery only, they don't do it by the hundreds.Last modified on 2019-06-10 at 08:50
#95 by diabloryuzaki
2019-06-10 at 16:19
i think it is more easy to limit until n-voting number for a span of time to recently registered users to avoid "create new account just to give bad rate only". because i have seen too much people who give irresponsible voting to some vn that have high expectation from 8 to 10 rate but he/she only give 1-5. if they have good reason for it then it's okay, but when i try to see their votes list i become fail to understand. why they give almost perfect vote to nukige when they only give low or bad vote to nakige for the example? so how vndb will respond this kind of people?
#96 by minah
2019-06-10 at 17:12
@94 People straight up admitting they didn't play the game isn't specifically mentioned in t10302.1, but I think it falls under reason #2.

@95 "Oh no people like different games than me" is not a reason to remove votes.
#97 by beliar
2019-06-10 at 17:23
Yeah, me thinks outright admitting you rate games for lulz, or in this case "because they look pretty", is a no no. And yeah, 794 perfectly rated games. Call me skeptical, but if his criteria is pretty pictures and relaxing music, I don't think he has played all those VNs.
I don't think I will be too harsh if I put him on the Ignore List.

@95 I fail to see your point. People can vote however they want, as long as they have actually played the game. I myself have given some pretty high scores to nukiges and low scores to some well received games. Different people, different tastes....
#98 by yorhel
2019-06-10 at 18:01
I noticed t12415 before and was about to put betterskatez on the ignore list for admitting to vote without playing, but then the thread took a weird turn where it became rather ambiguous whether they played it or not. In the end I decided to do nothing, but reading the thread again I'm indeed inclined to go with the "nah, didn't play" theory.
#99 by diabloryuzaki
2019-06-10 at 18:48
different taste is normal, but no one be happy to see if you meet someone who only give low vote because he/she know that the vn is not their taste and they want to give it low rate because they didn't like people "overrated" it.

let's say we have example like this, A, B, C have their own different taste to read vn. A love to read nakige, B have big delusion in nukige and C only like to read any genre as long as it is not 18+. of course A, B and C have their own taste to read vn and sometime they want to have another experience to read. like A is too bored to what happen in nakige, so A want to try what he will have if he read nukige? this is okay. but what happen if he maybe hate what happen in nukige? well i think it's okay if he stop to read same genre after that. this is still good behavior in vote system. but if appear D that have nakige and nukige with 1:1 ratio but he only give best rate to nukige and give negative rate to nakige? well, it's okay because it's his taste. as long as the amount of this kind of user is not more than 50. try to imagine that you meet user that give 1 from 10 to Key newest vn for the example, and accidentally this user vn list only full with best rate to nukige and low rate to "normal vn". if you didn't have behavior to check other people vn list to know their taste then it's okay, but sometime you will meet this bad behavior. why? because it is like they didn't care the vn itself, if it come from popular developer then he will be like "i will make sure to give bad rate no matter what". well, if their amount is 10 then it's okay but it will bad for vote system if this kind of user is more than 50. because i kinda pity another new reader that know how low the rate of this vn despite have good developer and he lost the interest to it after thatLast modified on 2019-06-10 at 18:48
#100 by ramaladni
2019-06-10 at 19:31
#99 I have no idea what you just said. Let people give the score they'd like as long as it's legit, no one's here to taste police.

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