Unlockable routes?

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#1 by leery
2018-04-16 at 14:36
Hi.

So I noticed we're in disagreement about one tag in True Love ~Jun'ai Monogatari~ and it kind of delved into passive-aggressive territory.

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1) You cast four tag votes for the VN, each at +2.
2) I disagreed on one of them (Unlockable Routes), so I voted it -2 (I wasn't sure enough for a -3)
3) You saw this, and recast your tag vote as +3.

Now, the logical approach for me would be to recast my disagreement as -3, but instead, I'm asking, what event in the game are you referring to with the tag?


(Incidentally, I don't think it is a Simulation Game but didn't care enough to downvote it...)
#2 by seniorblitz
2018-04-16 at 18:35
Oh hello, I mainly Tagged It as unlockable Routes, since I Read about It on TV tropes that you can unlock routes by doing specific things, and since the description on the tag implies that UR doesn't need to be tied to an Enforced Playing Order "(...) By reaching a point in the game" I thought It would apply.
I also adde Sim. Game since It hás the Dating Simulation tag to It.Last modified on 2018-04-16 at 18:36
#3 by leery
2018-04-17 at 04:57
That's kind of vague.


Anyway, all Dating Sims are SLGs but since the Dating Simulation tag is a child tag of Simulation Game, it is not necessary to tag it a Simulation Game too.

(Sometimes tagging the game with both tags is justified. My rule for it is: if the protagonist's attributes are all relevant to your dating performance, it is a Dating Sim. If some of them aren't, it can be tagged both.)
#4 by seniorblitz
2018-04-17 at 10:13
Here's the page in question: link
Quoting: "In the case of True Love Junai Monogatari, you might also lose out very easily on Ryoko Shimazaki because, unlike the other girls, you need to unlock and follow a very precise chain of events and encounters (instead of rising one or two parameters), and the first two are really easy to miss... Additionally, one of the girls (Yumi-sensei) won't have her path unlocked unless you pursue another first (Mayumi). Not to mention, there's one girl who isn't even human ( the aforementioned Anze ) and as said above her path can't be unlocked unless you have a certain item which is very expensive and is sold only in July"
Só basically, from that quote I assumed that the game had unlockable routes, even with they weren't tied to an enforced playing order and It fit the "by reaching a certain point in the game." Part of the Unlockable Routes tags description.
And about the Sim tag, I don't If It would fully apply, since, I didn't play the VN yet and only used It since It had the Dating Sim. TAG to It.
#5 by leery
2018-04-26 at 07:23
You're monitoring the recent tags page, noticing that I disagreed on some of your tags, so you're recasting your own vote with more weight?

Yet you haven't even played the game.

You're being a dick. Stop it.Last modified on 2018-04-26 at 07:24
#6 by seniorblitz
2018-04-26 at 09:05
It isn't within my intentions to be a "Dick", If you want me to revoke my votes, so we can be done with this, I will, there is no reason to Fight over VNDb tags of ALL things.
#7 by seniorblitz
2018-04-26 at 09:08
Votes revoked, while I still Think the "Sim Tag" would apply, I Will refrain to tag the game any further until the day I finish It.
#8 by leery
2018-05-01 at 06:49
Sorry. It's just that a few months ago I spent a while casting tag votes for the game because I thought the tags were a mess. It made me a bit protective of the entry.
#9 by seniorblitz
2018-05-01 at 13:25
It is fine mate, I was just worried you were taking the tagging personally, but, I'll keep my word and I'll only tag the game when I play it.
#10 by leery
2018-05-08 at 06:57
I just don't think it makes sense to tag a Dating Simulation as Simulation Game too, or Murder Mystery as Mystery too.

Here's why.

The tag system is hierarchic. Murder Mystery is a direct child of Mystery. If you search for Mystery, you get all the Murder Mysteries too. If you search for Simulation Game, you get all the Dating Simulations too. You need to explicitly exclude the child tags if you don't want this to happen.

It's also why Sexual Content is supposed to be a placeholder, and it shows in the description: Once you have a more accurate tag, it's fine to downvote the barebones Sexual Content.


There are reasons to tag as both though. The one reason I have is that the game has elements of the parent tag that are /not/ covered by the more accurate tag(s).



Now, back to the game in question. There is one aspect where I know I'm going against the flow: I do not think it has a "gay route", and I'm surprised people think it has. Technically, it has one, but it's so insignificant I have a hard time calling it a route. You'll see when you hit it. It's hard to miss.


(Also, see my objections to the Raising Simulation tag at t3617.1127)
#11 by seniorblitz
2018-05-08 at 09:03
Makes Sense, tou techinicaly speak you can end up with a male character in a game where most of the love interests are female. Só It does apply to some extent even if not totally.
But I get your point, and after I made a test with the "Branching Plot" tag, It seems that some VNs appears even If they are not directly Tagged as such.

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