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#1 by kirumo
2018-04-16 at 14:55
< report >I love Euphoria it's my favorite visual novel,
mostly because of the captivating atmosphere and fantastic story.
I have searched for similar visual novels, but to no avail.
So I would be very happy if anyone can help me with that quest.
#2 by harp
2018-04-16 at 15:22
< report >Not that I could be of much help due to that I am yet to finish Euphoria, nor have I played enough titles to say "this is a dead ringer for Euphoria", so I'm actually pretty useless here. Yet, I'll ask you to provide more details.
A captivating atmosphere can be Dies irae just as well as it can be Karakara. What made the atmosphere captivating to you?
If It's the music, you can look at the composer, if it's the writing you can look at the writers and so on.

Fantastic story can also be many things. If you want something similar you can look at the tags and think of the stuff that made Euphoria special, then filter by genre.

Not that I've played particularly many of Clock-Up's titles, but seeing as Maggot Baits is essentially what Euphoria was supposed to be you could try that.
Fraternite and yourou might be interesting.
You could also try the stuff link makes.
It's been a few months since I tried some of their trials, but the atmosphere was pretty good to me.
Kuroinu is also an option, the writing should be pretty good from what I've heard.Last modified on 2018-04-16 at 15:25
#3 by loctar87
2018-04-17 at 01:48
< report >Euphoria is kind of odd because it has lots of dark shock material but also has a serious story to go with it. Not many games match that description in the English world and I see you already have a number of the darker translated VNs on you list, so I don't have any perfect recommendations.

If you just want a good story, try Umineko no Naku Koro ni. It's slow moving and it's not much like Euphoria at all, but it really should be on your list if you're looking for VNs with a "captivating atmosphere and fantastic story".

On the other hand, if you're just saying you like the story to cover up that you like games where the women get abused, go for Mashou no Nie, or maybe Marunomi if that's not enough and you want to hunt lolis.Last modified on 2018-04-17 at 01:50
#4 by anonymous
2018-04-17 at 02:35
< report >I/O reminds me a bit of euphoria tone-wise, and Subarashiki Hibi ~Furenzoku Sonzai~ is always a good recommendation; it also has a genre shift, darker H-scenes, and a deeper story.

If you're just looking for H-scenes that are as dark as they come, then Black Lilith should be right up your alley. Their stories are usually generic and kinda nonsensical, but the H is on-point.
#5 by kirumo
2018-04-18 at 03:22
< report >Thanks everyone for the replies and suggestions, I will try them all.

What made the atmosphere captivating to you?
It felt like the perfect combination between the music/sounds, writing and graphics.
I can't explain it. It's like at Clock-Up they had a picture of me and they said :
"Let's make the perfect novel for that man"

if you're just saying you like the story to cover up that you like games where the women get abused
I like games that contain abuse, but I genuinely like the story too. I came for the abuse and I stayed for the story.
Euphoria was one of the first novels that I ever played and I didn't know anything about it back then. When I started it for the first time I was expecting a dark nukige with a little or no story.
It came as a shock to me a few hours later when I found that I had been very immersed in the story and that I loved Nemu and Rinne to the point that I couldn't even fap to them.Last modified on 2018-04-18 at 03:24
#6 by loctar87
2018-04-18 at 04:14
< report >@5 I was joking a bit on the last line. Mashou no Nie is just a dark nukige without any real story. Marunomi surprising actually does have have a significant amount of real story, but obviously the loli-hunting monster game isn't for everyone.

Another dark translated VN with story: Corpse Party BloodCovered Again it's not much like Euphoria, but there's not much that is.
#7 by harp
2018-04-18 at 11:37
< report >I may not be able to understand loving someone, but I do understand the sentiment of a VN that is a perfect match.
Kara no Shoujo is and remains not only my favourite novel, but also the one that has helped me the most as a person.
So yeah, if you want, try that I guess. (Might not be your thing, but there's a trial available.)

Yeah, I totally forgot about Corpse Party. Those might be good for you. (I've only played the one linked.)
#8 by thou
2018-04-18 at 11:51
< report >you can choose Izumi Ban'ya
linkLast modified on 2018-04-18 at 11:53
#9 by nemutrice
2019-04-12 at 20:25
< report >It’s a BL game but Euphoria reminded me a bit of Masquerade. Group of kids/teacher forced to go through sadistic sex games as hostages, then when you get to the true end you can’t put it down. I greatly prefer Euphoria though.
#10 by sakurakoi
2019-04-12 at 20:45
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but also the one that has helped me the most as a person.
Every time I read a sentence like this, literary...
never do I read actually anymore, as if people do not like to share a "message" they rate so highly, very odd.
#11 by inninguyen
2019-09-11 at 17:36
< report >I think Kara no Shoujo 1&2 are quite good choices. Good story? Check. Captivating atmosphere? You will see yourself living in a world of madness, obsession and despair.
#12 by dapper
2021-08-17 at 06:41
< report >Room no. 9 was made by Parade (sister brand of Clockup). It's yaoi, short and minimalistic, but pretty good. I actually liked it more than Euphoria.
#13 by imitsu
2021-09-29 at 19:51
< report >I'm a little late to the party, but it's strange that nobody talk about Kami Sama no Game when someone ask for something "similar" to Euphoria.
There is no English trad for this game, so you need to read it in japanese. I guess it's probably the main reason nobody talk about it until now.

This game is even better that Euphoria (for me at least), because :

Euphoria is very repetitive with every heroines before you go out of the basement and Kami Sama no Game play more on the psychological state of the players and reserve some nice surprises with a lot of rebondissment and interresting characters. This game was a good surprise to me. And to be honest, even if both protagonists situation are horrible, i feel like Keisuke have an easy life if I compare to the choices Kazuma need to make too, you will see what i mean if you try it.Last modified on 2021-09-29 at 19:57
#14 by dapper
2021-09-29 at 20:17
< report >Oh, another suggestion. Bible Black. I'm still reading it (have been distracted by other stuff going on), but it's not bad at all.
It also has a dark atmosphere, but Bible Black has occult themes, something that I found intriguing.Last modified on 2021-09-29 at 20:21
#15 by hansfranz77
2021-09-30 at 00:29
< report >#14 On that note, is there something similar to bible black, but not as extreme as euphoria out there? Like you, i only recently read it and was very surprised how good it still was, it also was very light on really disgusting content. So yeah Bible Black was for me at least right on the mark where i think it hits perfectly. As far as i know there is much more disgusting stuff in euphoria and the likes right?

What i'm looking for is something with very little scat (none at all would be preferable, but i can make an exception if the rest of the game is worth it), it should also not have much guro, rayona or even snuff. There can be, however, pretty much anything else. Mindbreak, rape, even torture if it's not too bloody and gore filled. Oh, and no monsterbirth or other stuff with insects. I do not think i can stomach maggot baits as a result.Last modified on 2021-09-30 at 01:39
#16 by dapper
2021-10-01 at 04:38
< report >#14 I'm impressed with Bible Black too. I just got a bad ending :D

Answering your question:
Not much, as far as I'm aware. There are loads of dark VNs, but Bible Black is a bit unique.
There is Fraternite which seems similar, but since it was made by CLOCKUP, there is extreme content. In fact, I heard that there are more disturbing situations in it than in Euphoria.
I remember when that one came out, but I never played it because it's not available in English.
And yes, Euphoria, Room no. 9 and Fraternite have disgusting scenes. These scenes serve two purposes: fetish fulfillment and shock value.
My biggest "gripe" with Euphoria is that it puts you in the protagonist's shoes, and he is a sadist. I could not sympathise with him, but for some reason I found myself "enjoying" the situations to an extent. I wanted to know what happened next.
By the way, there is a Boys' Love VN by Parade which is called "No, Thank You!!" and I believe that could serve as a recommendation as well. I haven't read it yet, but people say that the story is kind of dark and that there are extreme sex scenes, but nothing too absurd.

I found Sadistic Blood by Black Cyc and it looks a bit interesting. Seems to be a short nukige.
I'm not normally into nukiges but Bible Black impressed me and I'll give Euphoria another try.
Black Cyc has a reputation for making fucked up VNs with gore and rape, so be warned. Not sure about the amount of guro or snuff.

I've seen praise for "I Walk Among Zombies" but I haven't read it yet. Looks ok and seems to be relatively light on disgusting content.

There's also Swan Song which I have yet to read properly - only got as far as the first chapter because I started playing something else. Gets glowing reviews. Psychological horror.

I noticed that you read Saya no Uta. I love the atmosphere in that one and I wish there was more like it.
Nitroplus has other dark works, like Togainu no Chi, Sweet Pool (both yaoi), Kikokugai, etc... I need to read them.

Honestly, I could not finish Kara no Shoujo. I remember I reached a bad ending and I couldn't be arsed to do everything all over again. After a while, I gave up trying to get the true route, because apparently I did something wrong along the way, and I don't think I saved at the right moments. The problem with KnS is that you absolutely need a walkthrough or you'll get frustrated. You might like it, though. Has a bit of violence but nothing too shocking compared to other games. Sex, from what I saw, is vanilla - no hardcore stuff.

In regards to SubaHibi, it's not for everyone. It's disturbing as fuck, and hard to understand due to literary references and the way that the story is constructed. I didn't like it personally and ended up dropping it. HATED every single character, the voice acting, the art, etc... the music was the only redeeming part of the VN IMO.

I have yet to read Sekien no Inganock and Shikkoku no Sharnoth, but they look decent too.
Heard good things about Bokuten. I need to delve deeper into Overdrive's catalogue.

School Days and Shiny Days have some messed up routes (no fetishes like in Euphoria), but opinion on the Days series is divisive. I was into it years ago, not so much anymore. Makoto can be a jerk or not depending on what you do. Either way, the story is unrealistic (supposed to be a parody of harems, but plays it straight), and there are few characters that are truly likeable. Setsuna is my waifu :)

Feel free to message me here if you want.Last modified on 2021-10-01 at 05:17
#17 by hansfranz77
2021-10-01 at 07:42
< report >First of all thank you for taking the time to write such a packed comment! Sadly, i will have to dismiss some of these already, i think.

Let me go on a slight tangent as to what i mean. About a year back i was "scarred" by a very disgusting gay ntr scene in Totono. Afterwards, i went back and looked at my wishlisted vns. And SubaHibi seems to have similarly quite a few gay scenes, even gay rape, apparently. I would love to know how much of those are in it and if any of them are story relevant, because after how it was done in Totono i really do not want that to happen again. Yet i still have notifications for that one active and nearly every week there is a review in the 9 and 10 range, so i couldn't let it go completely.. So, if i can skip it, and it's just one or two scenes, fine. But if not.. yeah, sorry but i do not want to have to deal with gay sex scenes in games which seem very much hetero only oriented besides these "surprise" gay sex scenes. Naturally that discounts every BL game that might fit the bill are they nitro+ ones or otherwise as well, sorry. I think i forgot about that among all the really disgusting ones in euphoria and the like. :D

Speaking of vns with gay content. "Abaddon: Princess of the Decay" link This one seems to maybe fit here as well, and according to a thread the chick translating it posted in. That one does something i wish to see more of. There seems to be a filter option to just never have to deal with the gay content in it at all.

I also saw a (fake maybe) entry of an english tl patch of "Chronbo Box" link the patch entry just vanished one day and that tells me it was maybe someone just talking shit on some internet forum who never intended to actually do work on translating it.

I've seen praise for "I Walk Among Zombies" but I haven't read it yet. Looks ok and seems to be relatively light on disgusting content.

I start with the content in it. That is completely vanilla, the protag is a dick and takes advantage of a chick and blackmails her to pay with sex for food. Given the setting, that serves as a hook to have scenes in the first game. As far as zombie stories go it is pretty damn interesting, but imo every volume after the first gets worse and i didn't really think it had a great ending, tbh… so it is very hard to recommend the whole series in the state it was left in.

It's based on a web novel which went abandoned for years and only recently apparently the writer suddenly talked about continuing with it..
I wouldn't hold my breath.

There's also Swan Song which I have yet to read properly - only got as far as the first chapter because I started playing something else. Gets glowing reviews. Psychological horror.

I came across that name for many years now, but i never looked into that one myself. So i guess we are very much in the same boat on that one. Did you by chance play "Cross Channel", by the same devs? And if you did, would you recommend it?

Honestly, I could not finish Kara no Shoujo. I remember I reached a bad ending and I couldn't be arsed to do everything all over again. After a while, I gave up trying to get the true route, because apparently I did something wrong along the way, and I don't think I saved at the right moments. The problem with KnS is that you absolutely need a walkthrough or you'll get frustrated. You might like it, though. Has a bit of violence, but nothing too shocking compared to other games. Sex, from what I saw, is vanilla - no hardcore stuff.

I had that one on my radar since forever ago and after i finished "Cartagra ~Affliction of the Soul~" link form the same studio only a short while ago and was pretty impressed by it i wanted to try the first "Kara no Shoujo". Thank you for making me aware of the need for a walkthough, very much appreciate it. I do hate it if games require you to use one, but at least if i know form the start i can plan ahead how and when to play it.

I have yet to read Sekien no Inganock and Shikkoku no Sharnoth, but they look decent too.

The only problem with those are female protag segments and maybe sex scenes in that pov? Other than that they do indeed seem very interesting from the tags and setting.

Heard good things about Bokuten. I need to delve deeper into Overdrive's catalogue.

Same and same. I recently played something very old after a good friend of mine pestering me about it for years. "Shuffle!" and the relation to overdrive comes from reading reviews to their title "Edelweiss" and having seen very similar criticisms of that game to what i thought about Shuffle! myself. So funnily enough, these points made me more interested in that game and not less.

School Days and Shiny Days have some messed up routes (no fetishes like in Euphoria), but opinion on the Days series is divisive. I was into it years ago, not so much anymore. Makoto can be a jerk or not depending on what you do. Either way, the story is unrealistic (supposed to be a parody of harems, but plays it straight), and there are few characters that are truly likeable.

I tried School Days HQ many years ago and had big problems with it being an interactive hentai, more or less. If you don't get a choice timed exactly the way you need to, you have to watch the whole segment again and given how many choices that thing has.. let's just say i got tired of the format and structure after a while.


Oh, i have something else that was written by the Bible Black writer called "Heart Work -Symphony of Destruction-" link
That one came before BB, and it sadly shows. It has some interesting endings, but there is no coherent story or through line to it, which makes it pretty much a waste of time, if you aren't fapping to it, imo

I found Sadistic Blood by Black Cyc and it looks a bit interesting. Seems to be a short nukige.

Similar to "Salthe" link which apparently also had some famous writer on it? Looking at the screenshots as well as the "skullfucking" tag among others on SB. I think that is too gory and fucked up for my taste.


All in all, i do seem to be in a very odd position, now that i think about it. While i do love some fucked up shit if it becomes too extreme, or disgusting i will walk away from it. I can imagine recommending vns to a guy walking that tight of a line could be a pain, so sorry in advance. Yet still there are games that do fit and your recommendations here already proof that, so maybe there are some more out there. Thank you again for taking the time recommending the ones you already did and i hope this comment will be helpful to you as well!

Edit:
I'm not normally into nukiges but Bible Black impressed me and I'll give Euphoria another try.

I just saw that and went back over recently finished vns which fit the bill nukige and just post some in here and maybe one or two sentences as to what to expect from them. Not gonna bother with euphoria, though.

"Kyonyuu Fantasy" link
This one had a pretty interesting story for a game with a title and character designs like that, not even joking with that. It is very much obsessed with milking, adult breastfeeding and tits as a whole, though. With the protag never not thinking about milkers even if he saw the chick a million times before, so that could be something annoying to some. :D

"Shion - Cruel Magical Angel" link
It's similar to the one before with having a surprisingly interesting story and world, also these character designs. :O But it is not that good. There is tentacle rape in it and a single scene with scat.

"Beat Blades Haruka" link
This one should fit the "has dark content in it" premise the best. Nearly all of it is optional rape on defeat type of stuff. And the evil route seems to get really dark and disturbing with breaking these chicks at times.

Speaking of AliceSoft, there is of course the "Rance" series as well, i think we all heard about it before and at least the remakes of the first two games 01 link and 02 Kai link seem to focus on the character stories over the plot.
Which was at least to me a very good thing.

And finally "Bunny Black" link
These seem to strike a very similar tone and approach to rance, with the protag raping every chick attacking him after he defeats them in battle. They also have a hell of a lot of gameplay, which is sadly very grindy as well.Last modified on 2021-10-01 at 09:13
#18 by dapper
2021-10-02 at 04:52
< report >#17 I understand you might not like gay content, it's alright. Personally, I wish there was more slice of life yaoi. I wish Kintouka was translated because it seems like a chill story and the art is beautiful.

BDSM and rape scenarios help sell games, so what can you do. Most BL fans are into that kind of stuff. I liked Room no. 9 because it is basically the gay version of Euphoria, but the protagonist has a completely different personality than Keisuke. It is shorter in length and has one hero.
Did not know about Abbadon, so thanks for telling me about it. I have yet to read Totono but I saw that it got lots of praise.

ChronoBox seems interesting. I doubt someone is working on a patch for it though.
BTW, there's a VN called Killer Queen, and it also deals with confined people (Battle Royale scenario). However, I never managed to finish it 'cuz I decided to play something else. I heard the second chapter sucks.
The sequel/remake Secret Game seems to be an improvement, but there is no translation ATM.
On that note, Empress, the successor to Active (devs of Bible Black), made a VN called Closed Game, which also deals with a Battle Royale plot, but it's full of fetishes like scat and ryona, so you wouldn't like that one. Didn't try it.

For SubaHibi, one of these scenes you mention is a flashback, IIRC, and to me it was just cruelty happening to the character for no reason. I don't remember if the scene was actually important to his character development, but he is a damaged fellow for sure, and you can feel the humiliation he goes through. It lasts about 10 mins, and the victim in question is one of the worst characters I've seen in any medium, though I couldn't help but feel sympathy for him. However, all that is ruined when you see how sick he is (I know there's a reason for it, though, but it's not an excuse). I was actually repulsed with the characters' behaviours in SubaHibi. Again, I'm not a fan.
Iit's in the "denpa" genre, so expect paranoia, erratic behaviour and delusions of grandeur, as well as crazy shit happening out of nowhere. The literary references deal with philosophy, so you are supposed to use your brain and think.
It's better if you have a foundation. I'm not well versed in the subject, unfortunately...

Since the game depends on shocking scenes, I don't think it would be wise to skip anything, with the exception of the H in the first chapter.
I had extremely high expectations for it and left disappointed. Someone on Steam said: "The more you expect from SubaHibi, the less satisfied you will probably be." and that makes sense to me.

I don't mind insane characters and nonsensical plots, but the work has to be compelling.
There is even bestiality, though if my memory is correct, you need a patch to see that. You will need to reread the first chapter to access the second one.
I remember asking about the VN and someone said that to understand SubaHibi fully, I needed to know about Cyrano de Bergerac, Wittgenstein's philosophy, Alice in Wonderland, Miyazawa, etc. I thought that was too much work. I had no clue what the fuck was going on and my enjoyment was zero. And that is saying something: I'm into surreal and experimental stuff. I watched Tetsuo film series, 964 Pinocchio, Serial Experiments Lain, Eraserhead, etc and loved all of these.

Thanks for telling me about "I Walk Among Zombies". I'll probably never read it then, lol.

Never read Cross Channel because there is little consensus on which translation is the best, and I don't want to read a bad translation. I have other things in my backlog, too.

One of the writers for Cross Channel, Romeo Tanaka, is well-regarded. I have to finish Kazoku Keikoku, which he also wrote. I had it installed on another computer, but it broke down, and I ended up playing other things instead. I was liking it, though.
He's the author of Kana ~Imouto~ which is an utsuge classic. On that note, play Crescendo which is by the same company.
Hated Yume Miru Kusuri - another one by Romeo. The situations are a bit exaggerated and the protagonist just waits for things to happen in his life. I found him slightly selfish and immature. There is also a lot of sex and it can get a bit annoying if you just want to get on with the story. YMK makes me extremely drowsy due to the relaxing music and the "dreamy" atmosphere. It takes about 2h for the story to begin and you should rely on a walkthrough/guide due to non-indicative choices.

BTW, Swan Song is dark through and through. The prologue starts off with an earthquake that leaves the city destroyed.

If you read Cartagra, then you definitely should play Kara no Shoujo. It is well made regardless of its faults. The voice acting, the art and the atmosphere are good, and there is an underlying mystery that will keep you interested. KnS has a sequel but it is not talked about as often.

Not sure about Sekien no Inganock, but it does seem to have multiple protags. As for Sharnoth, I believe you play as the female MC. There are other games in the series, including a Steampunk one (Celenaria), but they aren't in English.

@ Overdrive - I recently finished Kira Kira after wanting to read it for ages, and it was good, though the translation leaves much to be desired. I hear that Deardrops and Musicus are even better.
Haven't played Edelweiss or Shuffle, but I know about them. I always confuse Shuffle with Sharin no Kuni due to similar artstyle and cover.

IMO, the strongest point of the Days series is exactly the interactive movie aspect... there aren't many VNs that are like that. I enjoyed being able to "play" an anime, and the bad endings were amusing.
The way that you needed to balance the relationships with the girls was novel to me.
The animation in SD is limited due to budget constraints, but I don't really care.
I agree that it is a bit frustrating. When I first played it, I didn't know that you could wait until time out during choices.

Last year I tried Shiny Days - it was a blind playthrough. Unfortunately, Makoto ended up raping Setsuna and she broke up with him... this was not my intention. So I'm not inclined to play it again in the foreseeable future. If you are a lolicon, there's a patch for Shiny Days that uncensors the loli scenes.

@ Heartwork - I'd seen it before. Sucks to hear that there is no substance.

Salthe was just released in English, right? Maybe one day I'll get it, just to know how it is.

And don't worry, I understand you. I can stomach extreme content, but I also have empathy and I don't like gratuitious sadism. There are some fetishes I just can't stand - 99% of them are fine by me, including bodily fluids (even scat), but I detest ugly bastard, snuff, bestiality and I'm not aroused by gore (though I admire eroguro in an artistic manner).

I should also apologise for not being the best person to recommend VNs, since I haven't read too many. I've been on the community for a while, and I first started playing them more than a decade ago, but I'm still a bit of a noob. You must've noticed that I drop a lot of VNs - this is usually due to loss of interest, boredom, or because I am focused on another activity. I have other hobbies. I'm somewhat picky, too, especially when I'm choosing something to read or watch. I don't want to waste my time, but that happens once in a while.

A lot of hardcore nukige is available nowadays, but most of them are just an excuse to show fetishes. If I want to masturbate I'll search for a doujin or a porn video. I read VNs for the story - the sex scenes are a bonus, or even a nuisance depending.

I've heard about most of the nukige you mentioned with the exception of Shion, and I will give these a try. Thanks for the recs.
BTW, a guy I knew was addicted to Monster Girl Quest. It caters to kinks, but there's nothing too hardcore in it.

There is a western VN I want to read some day, it is called City of Broken Dreamers, and it seems to be a dark cyberpunk story. There is consensual BDSM in it. The dev also created a neo-noir game called Depraved Awakening - I tried it out for 30 mins and was displeased with the writing, but perhaps I'll give it another chance. Both of these have rendered 3D graphics.

I got Ending 8 last night when reading Bible Black. Still unsure on whether I start Euphoria (again) or finish the other routes in BB. I might take a break from it.Last modified on 2021-10-02 at 06:46
#19 by hansfranz77
2021-10-02 at 20:26
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Never read Cross Channel because there is little consensus on which translation is the best, and I don't want to read a bad translation. I have other things in my backlog, too.


I see where you're coming from with that one. I think the Amaterasu tl is the one to go with, in this case because Shaft.. yeah, just look at some screenshots of the nitro+ game he did last year and laugh for a bit. As far as i heard, the dude never improved on the most literal cringy and clunky sentence structure i could put out as a joke. The issue is, this guy is either for real or a troll. Either way, if there is a george herny shaft translation for anything out there, do treat it like the game is not translated at all. :O

As for Amaterasu as a tl group link They seem to have done Muv Luv as well as Muv Luv Alternative and i didn't have had a problem with either of these, so i'm just gonna assume it's mostly purist nitpicks complaining about their translations and move on with my life. I also plan on reading their Comyu link translation in the near future, so there is that.

One of the writers for Cross Channel, Romeo Tanaka, is well-regarded. I have to finish Kazoku Keikoku, which he also wrote.
That is very interesting. I did get family project, i think it is called recommended by a buddy of mine, but it also sounded like there is a lot of Slice of Life and for much of that i have usually other games. Like Shuffle, or next Da Capo and others along these lines.

He's the author of Kana ~Imouto~ which is an utsuge classic. On that note, play Crescendo which is by the same company.

Funny you would say that, because i only recently installed the Kana Imouto remake, after having figured out it is even available in english. The utsuge tag is what held me back starting that one. I very recently finished Full Metal Daemon Muramasa link and that left me back very emotionally drained. Don't get me wrong reading it was very much worth it, there is also a hell of a lot of philosophy in that, btw. But after that i needed something light and upbeat to just cleanse my palette and that is where Shuffle! came in, i thought at least. It was not as light-hearted as it looks...
As for crescendo. I got that recommended for years by now, i can not even tell you why i didn't play it yet, but it is on the list. Should be high or med priority, so i will get to it in time.

Hated Yume Miru Kusuri - another one by Romeo. The situations are a bit exaggerated and the protagonist just waits for things to happen in his life. I found him slightly selfish and immature. There is also a lot of sex and it can get a bit annoying if you just want to get on with the story. YMK makes me extremely drowsy due to the relaxing music and the "dreamy" atmosphere. It takes about 2h for the story to begin and you should rely on a walkthrough/guide due to non-indicative choices.

I had that one in my sights also for many years now. It is funny to know it is the same writer which did Cross Channel and Kana Imouto, ngl. Also, thanks for the warning about the slow start and walkthrough requirement, once again. I'm not quite sure if i like denpa games, yet tbh. After Totono and also DDLC i started to question if they might be something i don't wanna deal with. I couldn't stand either of them very much and hell i hate Higurashi and that seems to have some insanity and fucked up characters in it too, so..

Yet still like in SubaHibiki's case i seem to get drawn in by imaginative and surreal things pretty often, so i will likely play more of them still.

@ Overdrive - I recently finished Kira Kira after wanting to read it for ages, and it was good, though the translation leaves much to be desired. I hear that Deardrops and Musicus are even better. Haven't played Edelweiss or Shuffle, but I know about them.

I heard of all of them, but i can only talk about translations. Mangagamer's early translations seem to be very iffy, as in the Shuffle! one was also very literal, repeating words and even broken sentence structure in that, on top with the vanilla game using times new roman as a font. I now saw these same issues in Da Capo 1 again and thankfully got a re tl patch for it, so i hope it is not as bad, once i start that for real.

I always confuse Shuffle with Sharin no Kuni due to similar artstyle and cover.

I can see that with the coverart, ngl. But dude, that is a sin! If you never read Sharin no Kuni or Devil on G String link (same writer) you need to do yourself a favor and move both of these up in order of your list! These are some of the most interesting vns out there, ngl. The world-building in Sharin is just masterclass. If you like thinking about fictional worlds and ask yourself how they might function if they were real, like i do, this one should be a must-play! There is also a partial patch for a fandisk consisting of a prequel story giving closure to important characters in it, highly recommend that as well.. As for Devil on G String, that vn is also very interesting, but it goes more for the character writing instead of the intricate world-building like Sharin did.

I should also apologise for not being the best person to recommend VNs, since I haven't read too many. I've been on the community for a while, and I first started playing them more than a decade ago, but I'm still a bit of a noob. You must've noticed that I drop a lot of VNs - this is usually due to loss of interest, boredom, or because I am focused on another activity.

Don't worry about that, we seem to have very different tastes, and it looks like we can still complement each other with valid recommendations as a result, so it's all good. As for dropping vns and getting bored of them. I do have that problem as well, though not as much with vns and instead i do drop normal Steam games all the time. For example i never finished Dark Souls 3, even though i bought the dlc being excited for more of that game. Similarly, i also dropped Sekiro, because i got bored of a shitty stealth segment right after one of the most fun bosses in the game. That had to be right at the end of both of these, too. It is kind of shameful and i do know it. So i guess this is just something every one of us has to a certain extent, if we are this spoiled for choice like in the current day and age.

There is a western VN I want to read some day, it is called City of Broken Dreamers, and it seems to be a dark cyberpunk story. There is consensual BDSM in it. The dev also created a neo-noir game called Depraved Awakening - I tried it out for 30 mins and was displeased with the writing, but perhaps I'll give it another chance. Both of these have rendered 3D graphics.

I heard of the first and played the second game recently. Depraved awakening has the problem you talked about with sex scenes getting in the way of the story very much, so a fair warning on that. It also does too little with the noir setting it got going on, imo. But over all it was pretty damn good, for a western made vn. As for 3D pre-render as a "genre" i honestly see these as mostly trash, so it is hard to even find decent let alone good ones. Acting Lessons link would be another recommendation on that front, as well as Melody link and Daughter for dessert link. But these should be all well known already, so you might've played them ages ago.

I got Ending 8 last night when reading Bible Black. Still unsure on whether I start Euphoria (again) or finish the other routes in BB. I might take a break from it.

Gotta admit. After a few endings, i couldn't really get anywhere with Bible Black, so i used the walkthrough and ending recommendations on the BB wiki. link
Also similarly to Heart Work BB The infection is not worth your time for anything other than fap, the story has plot-holes and inconsistencies a whole bus could drive-through and that is just annoying as fuck.Last modified on 2021-10-02 at 20:58
#20 by dapper
2021-10-03 at 08:00
< report >@ On-topic: Enzai and Raging Loop probably fit the bill. Just came across Inclusion and it sounds quite dark. JP only.

#19 I'll definitely search about the TLs you mentioned. Especially the Shaft one lol.
A game that is worthwhile and that has multiple translations is Narcissu. I haven't read the sequels, though.

Family Project is very much slice-of-life with drama, so if you're not in the mood to read such things, I would advise putting it off for now. The Most Forbidden Love In The World (DameKoi) is said to be similar in themes, and the MC in that one is an adult, which is uncommon to see in VNs.

As for Muramasa, I heard good things about it. I can understand feeling drained after you consume a certain piece of media. I feel like that sometimes. I'm in the mood for darker stories currently, but there are days in which I need a palate cleanser. Iyashikei has its audience.
If you need something light on drama, I wholeheartedly recommend Konosora.
I have to read Sharin no Kuni, that's true - don't know why I haven't yet. Same with Muv Luv, Fate, Higurashi and other popular works. I installed G-senjou no Maou in 2014, but never got around to it.

DDLC in retrospect was kind of weak, but I played the original version when it came out, so I have no idea if the Plus edition adds more content or if it's simply a remake with better art. A complaint I have with DDLC is that the characters and story weren't developed enough - I know it's short, but there are short VNs that impacted me more. I need to play Totono.

I didn't consume much denpa, actually. Seems like most works are in Japanese.
I had little idea of what to expect in the case of SubaHibi. I kept hearing that it was kamige, that it had philosophical themes (I have an interest in that, even though I'm dumb), etc...
Doesn't hurt to try it, if you're that keen on doing so. I was thinking that perhaps I was a bit harsh with my opinion, and it's been a while since I last played it.

Mangagamer's early translations were horrible, but I'm glad they improved. Tell me if Da Capo is any good, since it's supposed to be a classic, and I would like to read it once in my lifetime.

I drop video games too, usually due to difficulty (I have an issue with stealth segments and puzzles, for example).
Thanks for telling me about Depraved Awakening and City of Broken Dreamers. The latter seems to suit my preferences more.

I dunno if our tastes are really that much different. Probably not :)
With kinks, I have been on the Internet for almost 20 years, so I don't get as shocked anymore.
I also ended up acquiring new fetishes because of porn. I was surprised with Euphoria at first, but now I realise that there are waaaaaaay weirder nukige and doujinshi.
As someone else on VNDB said, in terms of sexual content, Euphoria is not too far off from hardcore BDSM - though there is the abuse aspect, of course, and that would violate the motto of "safe, sane and consensual".

I agree that most pre-rendered VNs don't give off a good impression. I did play Acting Lessons and enjoyed it. The MC's friend was a cool dude. I was also playing Being a DIK on my other computer before it broke down. Same author.
Being a DIK is ok, you assume the role of a college student who joins a popular fraternity in which hedonism occurs :D
I preferred Acting Lessons. I am aware of both Melody and Daughter for Dessert, but was unsure whether they were any good, so I appreciate you telling me about them.

In regards to BB, I saw that walkthrough before, and I'll be using it, 'cuz there are 12 endings and a multitude of choices. Thanks for the warning about BB: The Infection.Last modified on 2021-10-03 at 08:08
#21 by capablescoutman
2021-10-03 at 13:50
< report >13nin no Uruwashiki Kedamono could be a fitting addition to this list, the premise is rather similar to Euphoria's.
#22 by hansfranz77
2021-10-03 at 15:34
< report >#21
DDLC in retrospect was kind of weak, but I played the original version when it came out, so I have no idea if the Plus edition adds more content or if it's simply a remake with better art. A complaint I have with DDLC is that the characters and story weren't developed enough - I know it's short, but there are short VNs that impacted me more. I need to play Totono.

From reviews and steam comments on DDLC plus it sounds like new art is one thing they added, the other is all optional side stories. And while it is a novel idea to develop the cast more, if your ending is leaving you with feeling this incomplete and let's be honest that was the case with the free version. Doing that is the last thing you should focus on before everything else. So i won't bother with the paid version, imo this also deserves to get them shit and not praise. It comes off as a cashgrab towards the console pleb audience.

I drop video games too, usually due to difficulty (I have an issue with stealth segments and puzzles, for example).

While, you mention puzzles. That is what held me off from delving deeper into the first Zero Escape game, i know it doesn't really fit here. But it came to mind, now. I admit i'm very bad ad math and logic puzzles and guess what 999, (which is the name of the first out of three Zero Escape games, btw) nearly fully consists of? Needless to say, i've gone back to Uchikoshi's earlier works, now. There was something called Infinity Saga, or Infinity games. There are also three of those, and all of those have their names end into something Infinity. Supposedly they also deal with similar concepts and themes. And they do not stretch their playtime with shitty math puzzles. So i started Ever17, now. That is the second game in that series, and it is kinda cool as of 10 hours into it now. Never7 is the first game Ever17 the second and Remember11 the third. I'm not sure how much sci-fi interests you, but i myself am always up for something that does great sci-fi. Doesn't hurt that Ever17's setting is reminding me about bioshock and soma, which were in themselves very interesting games.

I did play Acting Lessons and enjoyed it. The MC's friend was a cool dude. I was also playing Being a DIK on my other computer before it broke down. Same author.

As for acting lessons, yeah that was one of the biggest positives with that game, there is seldom a vn which develops a protags best friend in a way they are actually feeling like they are a real friend to him and that surprised me a lot about that game i agree!

I had my eye on being a DIK for a while, but there is another problem with 3D pre-render vns and that is the fact that many get abandoned over time or take years to get completed, and i got tired with playing unfinished shit if there is so much completed work out there. So i just walked away from nearly all of them very quickly.

#22 That looks very much spot on, but who knows if we ever get a translation for it, right? -.-Last modified on 2021-10-03 at 15:36
#23 by dapper
2021-10-09 at 22:58
< report >Late reply - other additions to the list could be Sayonara o Oshiete ~Comment te Dire Adieu~ and For Elise ~Elise no Tame ni~ by Craftwork, but they haven't been translated properly yet unless you speak Spanish.
Also Gore Screaming Show (only partial patches), Cage -Open- and its sequel, Cage -Close- (yaoi);
Kimi ga Shine -Tasuuketsu Death Game- and Death Rule: Lost Code also fit the bill.

Cannot attest for quality since I didn't play any of those yet, but I have Sayooshi installed.

#22 Yeah, Hans, I think that DDLC Plus looks like a cash grab as well. I don't know why the game got that popular. Besides, it's been spoiled to death so any newcomers already know that there's a twist. Back when it was released, I heard that it wasn't your typical story, so I was expecting something to happen, and when the twist occurred, I didn't get surprised.

I also had issues with Zero Escape, since I'm horrible at maths and logic. I ended up using a guide - I reached one ending and gave up. I'd recommend Hotel Dusk and Last Window instead, though some puzzles are hard to do if you're using an emulator.

About the Infinity saga - I have yet to read it. I once had Ever17 on my PC, but I guess I should start with Never7 just to see the beginning of the series. I love sci-fi, though hard sci-fi is usually hard for me to understand. I have to play Bioshock and Soma, too. Have fun with Ever17.

I agree with you regarding Acting Lessons, the characters were realistic, and it's good that the best friend is a big part of the story. In a lot of VNs, the focus is on the main harem and the side characters aren't developed properly.

And yes, an issue with these 3D CG games is that they have a long development time. It seems like City of Broken Dreamers isn't complete yet.

Right now I'm taking a break from VNs - I was supposed to start with Euphoria but I'm spending my time on this NSFW virtual world called 3DXchat (there's a private server, lmk if you want details), and I began playing Dreamfall: The Longest Journey.Last modified on 2021-10-09 at 23:01
#24 by hansfranz77
2021-10-10 at 01:12
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About the Infinity saga - I have yet to read it. I once had Ever17 on my PC, but I guess I should start with Never7 just to see the beginning of the series.

I recently got done with Ever17, the latest fanpatch, called "Himmel Edition" is what i played.
And honestly? This game has so many problems that it left me back baffled, not because of it's complexity, though. And that alone should already tell you i wasn't a fan. The only thing i unequivocally liked is the music, no wonder i'm a sucker for Sci Adv (Steins;Gate and the other games made by the same folks are called that Science Adventure Series) and i also love the atmosphere in their soundtracks. Going back after finishing Ever17 and seeing all that was done by the same guy had me ecstatic.

The game, though.... i rather recommend any sci adv game, or even the Yu-No remake, (even if the porn got removed in that over this one.) This one felt like 70% filler in shortly under 50 hours it took me to play it. And pacing "issues" is the mildest term you can use for it. There seems to be a character focus for the story with a cast who only act like stupid and annoying kids for the vast majority of the runtime (there are "multiple common routes" in that game and now i know to look out for that tag in the future), so it didn't work for me at all by the end. As for Never7 i read a few reviews talking about similar problems and honestly given it was made even two years before Ever17 i rather not.

Coming back to Zero Escape again, i will have to use a walkthrough for these i already know, tried them about two years ago? But i still want to play them for real at some point (bought the Nonary Games thingy on steam after all) but that didn't convince me to do that any time soon, sadly.

Right now I'm taking a break from VNs - I was supposed to start with Euphoria but I'm spending my time on this NSFW virtual world called 3DXchat (there's a private server, lmk if you want details), and I began playing Dreamfall: The Longest Journey.

I can understand wanting to take a vn break, i'm nearly at that point again now too. As for that 3DXchat thing, that sounds like a VR chatroom thingy to me, i have no interest in VR, so i think i pass. I heard of the Dreamfall games, think there might even have been some of them free recently? I'm not sure, but have fun with that!

I would have to play the og Half-Life again sometime soon to have a comparison to Black Mesa (That is a HL 1 remake, fans worked on that for more than a decade and valve green gave them their blessing to turn it into a commercial game) and which now finally finished at the End of last year. But i'm not much in a normal gaming mood for months at this point -.-Last modified on 2021-10-10 at 01:33
#25 by dapper
2021-10-16 at 06:47
< report >Kind of on-topic...
A few suggestions for adventure, story-based games that are atmospheric, horror and/or suspense themed:
- Downfall, The Cat Lady and Lorelai by Harvester Games
- Harvester (FMV but not that bad, honestly)
- Sanitarium (have yet to play, my PC never ran it properly)
- Pathologic I and II (though it's kind of experimental)
- Missing: Since January (aka In Memoriam - it's kinda like an ARG)
- Cosmology of Kyoto
- Nocturne (I always had compatibility issues, but there's a patch that supposedly fixes them)
- Silver Jiken
- 428 ~Fuusa Sareta Shibuya de~
- White Day: A Labyrinth Named School (I only know about the original but there's now a remake)
- Twilight Syndrome series (Japan only)
- Mizzurna Falls
- Deadly Premonition
- Famicom Tantei Club and its sequels
- Gadget: Past as Future
- Fahrenheit: Indigo Prophecy (it is divisive)
- Silent Hill series up to SH4
- The Last Express
- Orwell 1 and 2
- Clock Tower franchise
- Rule of Rose
- Haunting Ground
- Double Cast
- Shadow of Memories aka Shadow of Destiny

The VN The Sekimeiya: Spun Glass recently came out and it looks promising.
Similar setting as Euphoria: Fatal Twelve

#24 Sorry for the late reply, haha.
You read fast! I take my time because of health issues and because I'm not always in the mood to read.
I didn't know about Himmel Edition - only the original English release by Hirameki which is now out of print. I'd have to check that fanpatch out. I remember Ever 17 being praised like crazy back in 2014. You mentioned Yu-No, I remember getting the original ages ago, but never got around to it 'cuz I heard it was a complex game.
I was hoping you'd enjoy Ever17, I always see it being recommended to people. I was attracted to it because of the "trapped" tag. Wasn't aware that there were multiple common routes. I prefer your typical linear route with branching paths. Sucks that it's mostly filler. It seems like a lot of VNs are like that.

And yeah, I also want to play Zero Escape and finish everything, but I'll also have to use a walkthrough. Have you played Danganronpa? I only completed the first one, which was ok. There's a similar game called Exile Election which I know almost nothing about.

In regards to 3DXchat, it does have VR mode but most people don't use it that way... also, I am going to take a break from it and go back to VNs and games... I realised that I was getting a bit addicted to it.

As for Dreamfall, it's the sequel to The Longest Journey which I recently replayed, and TLJ is one of the best adventure games ever, it has a mix of science (cyberpunk) and fantasy, and the real strength is the story and the characters. I never finished Dreamfall: TLJ so I'm on the quest to do that now. Shouldn't take long. I'm going to start a new VN soon.

I actually never played Half Life but I always saw compliments for it. Since I suck at FPS, I was always afraid of them. Black Mesa seems to be an excellent mod.

I understand not being in the mood to play games. I've been meaning to get into RPGs for years... I used to play them as a kid without understanding anything, but now I want to pay attention to the story... the issue is that there's usually a lot of grinding and RPGs tend to be super long. My best friend loves the Megami Tensei franchise.

If you're looking for a good plot-heavy game based on the Source engine, check out Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodlines.Last modified on 2021-10-16 at 07:11