uncensored games ( no mosaic ) tag

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#1 by fhc
2018-05-18 at 02:13
sorry bad english

I like hentai games, but, of course for sure is not just me, uncensored hentai games without mosaic are better, but, for some reason not exist such tag in vndb and is not possible to add this tag because the tag was deleted.

I tried to find in google a list of uncensored hentai gamess, but, end up mixed several non-japanese games in english that are just SO BAD games that cannot be compared with japanese games.

in mangagamer site NOT exist a tag for uncensored games without mosaic than we are forced to browser each game to find it.

also some fan made groups are making uncensored cg for some games, like Majikoi.

then, I really think that the tag UNCENSORED is necessary and important for the actual reality that the visual novel universe are now in the west.

Maybe exist nowadays 20 or 30 uncensored japanese games without mosaic. Then please, add this tag "Uncensored without mosaics" in the vndb database for us.

I am trying to add this tag in games like Momoiro Closet, Kuroinu and euphoria but the vndb system refuse to add such tag because looks like is forbid such tag (?)Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 02:14
#2 by sanahtlig
2018-05-18 at 05:00
Tags probably wouldn't be the appropriate implementation because some releases of a given VN would have mosaics while others might not. This would be the rule, not the exception.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 05:02
#3 by thewayfarer
2018-05-18 at 06:10
It would be illogical just to add a tag of it because you have to think about the country of origin it was created in. Especially Japan the most, since they have laws about explicit depiction of pornography.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 06:13
#4 by savagetiger
2018-05-18 at 10:15
Just add a note to the applicable releases. It only happens in localized stuff anyway so it's not that many. And you can hover over the note icon to see them on the main vn page now.Last modified on 2018-05-19 at 02:50
#5 by fhc
2018-05-18 at 11:50
cannot understand why people is against to add such tag.

exist in vndb so much unnecessary tags with very few games tagged with such tags, I will not list such unnecessary tags that maybe will offend who created it and make flame bait in this post.

anidb have uncensored tag:
link

censorship is a sensitive stuff in japanese culture, and them anime sites, japanese adult videos sites, erotic manga sites, all of them have uncensored tag. only the unique english site that was created to index japanese game cannot have such tag ?

eroge in nowadays becoming a main thing in the west. already have several projects of several eroge that will be released uncensored during the year of 2018. maybe until 2020 will exist already 50 maybe 100 japanese hentai games totally uncensored released in the west.

I really think that is very much important such tag, specially because several people want to buy only uncensored games and not have yet in the internet any site where you can simple and fast can get a list of uncensored japanese games.

I am saying a nonsense ? is so "ridiculous" the idea of exist in vndb a "uncensored tag" in games that have uncensored CGs ?

compared with others unnecessary and even idiotic tags that already exist in vndb is really it so much nonsence to add this "uncensored version available" tag as well ?

just add a tag like "uncensored version available" is really so bad for vndb ?

I created now the tag "uncensored version available" and added it to Kuroinu game now.

If the tag be approved, I will begin to add this tag in all uncensored games that I have, but I will do it only If the tag be approved, I not want to waste my time, specially because I almost sure that the tag will be denied and deleted.

where is the tag created:
link

I wanted to add Aliases "uncensored" but vndb system refuses it because "uncensored" tag was already deleted once.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 12:04
#6 by fuukanou
2018-05-18 at 12:13
#5, you have not read #2 and #4's points. The problem is that tags on this website apply to _whole_ visual novels, rather than just their localisation. The original Japanese releases are censored by law, and so not _all_ releases of the _same_ visual novel have uncensored CGs. Therefore, a tag would not work.

Also, not everything in life is "simple and fast", and you will have to learn to deal with it.
#7 by sakurakoi
2018-05-18 at 12:25
Heck, I am actually not fond of uncensored versions unless the mosaic cover much more than necessary but I still find it silly to deny the tag when it is applicable to quite many works and there is such a large demand for it.

Denying the tag because some versions/primarily Japanese ones might not have it is not very smart either. a) one can suggest that it could be noted then on the release instead like #4 does (I always gotta love it when people just deny a solution to a problem and give no thought to alternatives) or b) the merit clearly outweighs the demerit, it is common sense (like it is that non-18+ releases have no sexual content, most of the time) that eastern versions are censored and one can still note in the description that a release is not censored or is.

by the by, I bet that the tag will fail merely due to the fact that the English is even worse than mine... and that for some reason North America is named.
#8 by leery
2018-05-18 at 12:26
The original tag proposal was discussed at t2747, FWIW.

Anyway, I was not aware that English localisations that left the censorship in place existed.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 12:28
#9 by sanahtlig
2018-05-18 at 12:51
I'm not against a new release field specifying whether the game has mosaics. Being able to generate a comprehensive list of English releases with mosaics / no mosaics would satisfy a long-standing request from a segment of the fanbase.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 12:52
#10 by surferdude
2018-05-18 at 13:30
@#6
Tags on this site DO NOT apply to whole visual novels.
There are plenty of VNs with tags that only apply to one release and not the others, like Sexual Content, X number of heroines, etc.
#11 by lordnight
2018-05-18 at 13:54
If that's the case then how about add it as one of the release icons? like censored or not.
In this case it'll be limited to that particular release.
Though this would probably need a lot of work.
#12 by aquahorse
2018-05-18 at 16:04
Agree with #11, add as icon. It will be convenient.
#13 by thewayfarer
2018-05-18 at 21:43
#11
#12

I think I once suggested that for a "censorship option" in the suggestions thread about a year ago, but I got a reply stating it would also imply "bleep censors" and "cut content". So, an "icon" explaining the censorship of release's content would be too vague of an explanation.Last modified on 2018-05-18 at 22:27
#14 by aquahorse
2018-05-18 at 23:20
#13, no icon then?
#15 by thewayfarer
2018-05-18 at 23:50
#14 Probably no. Like I said, there are many things you can "censor" and would have plenty of options in one subject.
#16 by dk382
2018-05-19 at 03:27
If the icon tooltip and the field label in the release were clear enough, then that should explain the icon well enough. For releases marked 18+, you could maybe have a "mosaic censoring" field or something. Or maybe a more general term since maybe some games use other methods? I know that's a thing in doujins, but are there VNs that use alternative censorship methods?
#17 by fhc
2018-05-20 at 16:48
Exist a tag for Bleep Censor
link

Exist a tag for Censored Text
link

cannot understand WHY a tag for "uncensored version available" cannot exist ?

Also several Japanese games sites that makes review of hentai games always make significance detail when not exist anal mosaic. Nowadays most game developers no longer censor anal hole, but, for some unknown reason some few game developers still insisting in to censor anal hole.

also even exist some sites that point when a game is heavily censored and others game that have very small mosaic censor.

I really think that should be important to add also such tag, when a game is heavily censored or when a game have thin mosaic censor.

all those information reflect in the number of sales of the game, then, why those info cannot be added in vndb ?

I cannot understand WHY you guys think that are NOT important to add the tag "uncensored version available" at least.

When I have time I will create the tag "uncensored anal hole" for the game that have such feature. I hope the tag not be denied too.

Maybe I will create tags too for "large mosaic censor" and "thin mosaic censor", but for sure all those tags will be denied too.

For instance I never play game with "large mosaic censor", LOL! some games have a so large mosaic censor that almost hid the whole bottom of the girls ! I remember that 2 years ago I downloaded a game like this, too bad cannot remember the name of the game anymore to make like a sample. when the girl make a blowjob the mosaic hiding the penis cover almost more than half of the girl face ! Cannot understand what the game developer was thinking when created the game in such way. for sure games like this NEED to be tagged with tag for us to avoid play such games.Last modified on 2018-05-20 at 16:53
#18 by aquahorse
2018-05-20 at 17:38
Agree with #17. For example, minori localizations still have mosaic, not so evident as in original releases, but neveretheless. It would be convenient to add mosaic tags, different degrees of them. Please do so.Last modified on 2018-05-20 at 17:39
#19 by yorhel
2018-05-20 at 17:45
I'm fine with adding this as a release field, but what's the granularity we want? Is a simple "no mosaic" flag sufficient? The more detailed "level of censoring" seems a bit too much, IMO.
#20 by beliar
2018-05-20 at 17:51
While I find little importance in such a feature, in case it is added, "no mosaic" might not be the most accurate name. Some older games do not specifically use mosaic, but rather light beams, ken-doll anatomy or even strange things, like a transparent or white-coloured penis.
I think the naming should be "no optical censorship", which would include all of such cases.
And I find it a ridiculous suggestion by FHC to split the feature even further with large/small mosaic, uncensored anus and so on. I feel we really don't need to clutter the release field with such completely useless trivia, thus a simple check mark would suffice.
#21 by aquahorse
2018-05-20 at 18:45
And add also degree of mosaic censorship tag. It would be quite informative for people who want to buy english release of the novel, for example.Last modified on 2018-05-20 at 18:57
#22 by thewayfarer
2018-05-21 at 20:08
There's also an "invisible penis" censorship in some older visual novels too. In really older VNs, some time in the 90's, they may even "hide vaginal view" in plain sight of a girl's crotch area.Last modified on 2018-05-21 at 20:08
#23 by leery
2018-05-22 at 05:10
Is this going to be something that'll be applied to all OELVNs too? Or just the Japanese ones?
#24 by tw1sted
2018-05-22 at 11:16
I agree that it would be useful to have degrees of censorship, it is actually significant and very noticeable, and a fairly objective measure. I'd say the difference between a VN with heavy and light mosaic censorship is almost as big as the difference between mosaics and no mosaics.

It would easy to implement and no more cluttered than any other option if a simple censorship field was added with the following options:
-No Censorship
-Light Mosaic Censorship
-Heavy Mosaic Censorship
-Other CensorshipLast modified on 2018-05-22 at 11:20
#25 by aquahorse
2018-05-22 at 12:51
Agree with #24. Such degrees very are useful to find the novel you need for.Last modified on 2018-05-22 at 12:51

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