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#26 by coldnobility
2018-07-11 at 02:32
Rance 10 is one of the biggest vn and they haven't started working on it yet. I don't understand why they announced it so early.
#27 by kominarachromer
2018-07-11 at 03:31
#26 I'm assuming they wanted people to know it was coming so we could stop getting Rance at the #1 survey spot every year.

Also, it's not "one of the biggest vn". It is the "biggest vn".
#28 by shiningx
2018-07-11 at 04:07
#27 Biggest in terms of file size, popularity or gameplay length?
#29 by encrypted12345
2018-07-11 at 04:17
IIRC, the original rumor is that the script is about 8.34 megabytes though that can vary based on how it's encoded. That's a good deal larger than the previous record holder France Shoujo ~Une fille blanche~ (5.650 MB).
Arunaru claims that it's about as long as every Rance game he has translated combined (Kichikuou Rance, Rance VI, Sengoku Rance, and Rance IX).

@28 Some other titles might beat it out in gameplay length due to being more gameplay oriented. Rance X has a lot of gameplay, but I'd say that it's more text focused. The script size is massive though, and I think it's the top rated game in erogamescape though you might need a VPN to confirm it.Last modified on 2018-07-11 at 04:24
#30 by alexlung
2018-07-11 at 04:29
Didn't know there were people that didn't like Rance

I agree with the other poster that they should do the prequels, the Remake of 1 and 3 first before doing the latter. 9 and 10 were very good though and definitely worth playing in my book
#31 by kominarachromer
2018-07-11 at 04:47
#29 You can also access EGS through Google Translate; at least, I can. Rance 10 has a median score of 99 points; which is indeed the highest score on the site for any eroge. The second highest, for reference's sake, is White Album 2 Extended Edition. Even if we are cautiously optimistic about Rance 10's score (since EGS's system isn't Bayesian like VNDB's) it's still ranked among the best ever in the medium, and the only other RPGs that even come close are Sengoku and Kichikuou.
#32 by shiningx
2018-07-11 at 04:56
#29 Thanks for your answer. Sorry if my question sound stupid since I don't really like rance games. And thus I don't know much about it.Last modified on 2018-07-11 at 05:07
#33 by sakurakoi
2018-07-11 at 05:17
IIRC, the original rumor is that the script is about 8.34 megabytes though that can vary based on how it's encoded. That's a good deal larger than the previous record holder France Shoujo ~Une fille blanche~ (5.650 MB).
Arunaru claims that it's about as long as every Rance game he has translated combined (Kichikuou Rance, Rance VI, Sengoku Rance, and Rance IX).
Chances are, someone conveniently counts duplicate lines, like how one does not count Custom Maid 3D 2 as Visual Novel even though it has less gameplay time than Rance or that it is not a "single published work" (because expansions&DLC, even though an official bundle will come out one day) so it having 19,5MB of unique text (or 51,7MB with duplicated lines and still without gameplay GUI and text) can be simply dismissed.

Didn't know there were people that didn't like Rance
Yeah, who does not like rape, voyeurism, an arrogant protagonist, hundreds of heroines getting 2 HCG on average and mediocre gameplay?!

Rance 10 has a median score of 99 points
So over half gave it a 100 and 99? Yeah, I call bias, emotional investment and "not many would play it if they did not play the prior". The average is still "only" 90. Not that scores have any reasonable value to begin with, even sales is a better measure.


Also, I'd guess the Rance release will be some time around 2040~
#34 by shiningx
2018-07-11 at 05:37
Didn't know there were people that didn't like Rance

It's just, sometimes, Rance's personality pisses me off.Last modified on 2018-07-11 at 07:10
#35 by tows
2018-07-11 at 17:32
Are the last Rance titles really a crap? So far I love almost every Alice Soft game, even that blasted Haruka(some scenes were HOT, if nothing else).
Sengoku Rance is my favorite for now.

Btw, question for those who played Rance 8-10: is there a New Game Plus like in Sengoku? I really loved that After Game Shop, where you can buy extra stuff(including new story events!) for the next playthrough by using the points you accumulated during the last one.Last modified on 2018-07-11 at 17:35
#36 by encrypted12345
2018-07-11 at 18:00
@33 "Yeah, I call bias, emotional investment and 'not many would play it if they did not play the prior'"

The main problem I have with this argument is that by this logic, Rance Quest and IX would have rated higher than Sengoku, which they don't. It's also like claiming every Star Wars fanboy loves the Last Jedi. I'm sure there's bias towards the Rance franchise in general, but I doubt there's any specific bias towards Rance X.

@35 Sadly, the new game pluses of the other games aren't as good. All you get with RQ's new game plus is the opportunity to get to fight some new bosses, though you need to get to new game plus plus to get to the ultimate super boss. Rance IX has routes, but most of the variation is in the final chapter. It's a mostly linear game otherwise. You can actually save at the end of chapter 19 and just reload to play any routes that you have unlocked from finishing the game once, but I think you have to beat the game 3 times in full to unlock all of the routes. You can at least make the game harder in subsequent playthroughs if that's enough motivation.

Rance X's new game plus is hardly bad as there are a bunch of new (mostly non-canon) cards you can get from it, and you get bonuses based on the endings and achievements you get, but the choosable bonuses aren't as plentiful or creative as Sengoku's. The role of CP is mostly just to make the game easier or make hard mode doable, though you'll need one CP to let some non canon cards drop. Many of the achievements just passively increase the rarity rate and stuff like that. There is a hard mode though, and the game naturally has enough paths that you'll need a lot of play throughs to see all of the content.

The people who don't like Rance in the thread don't like the series in general rather than any specific game.Last modified on 2018-07-11 at 18:01
#37 by tows
2018-07-12 at 12:29
@36
So, Rance X has some sort of the Alpha Protocol's achievement buffs? Cool, I love this feature. Too bad that I need to complete the other two games to thoroughly enjoy it, thoughT_T
#38 by kiru
2018-07-12 at 14:02
Honestly, routes in rpg/VN hybrids are just stupid in generally. I doubt I'll play more than one should I ever get to that point in the Rance series where things aren't just linear.
In a VN you can just skip. In an Rpg you can't. You always have gameplay. Even if for example Rance X may not have THAT much gameplay, it's still there. And playing the same game twice in a row, or even more often, is just absolutely not fun.
edit: Locking optional bosses to new game + or even ++ is also really bad game design. Same idea. Why do you need to waste way too much time just to fight another endgame boss?

Well, I suppose routes could be okay if they aren't there in a "play them all please" way, but rather "based on your decision the game is going to be different", but it doesn't sound like Rance is like the latter.Last modified on 2018-07-12 at 14:04
#39 by tows
2018-07-12 at 14:12
@38
Sengoku Rance is, actually. Different routes here were a pleasant addition.
For example, that possessed girl, which generally dies after apostles come back to life. In that route she actually survives and we don't fight that certain apostle that possessed her, if my memory is right. It's like a totally different branch of story and it doesn't feel tedious, especially with all those new bonuses from the after game shop.
#40 by encrypted12345
2018-07-12 at 14:49
@38 With Sengoku, you can probably get away with the first playthrough as only the true route is relevant in canon. Well, canon also implements a few minor events that happened in other routes, but it's nothing too major.

Rance IX is kind of weird when it comes to its routes. There's the true route and 7 heroine based routes that you unlock once you beat the true route. Beating a heroine route changes the true route's epilogue a bit based on what happened in that heroine route, and the real true epilogue is unlocked once you beat all of the heroine routes. Thankfully at least, you don't have to go through the true route again, just go through the CG gallery.

Rance X has some routes, but it also has a strict time limit and alternative ways to go through the same route. For example, normally you have to use up 2 turns worth of Quests to kill 2 fiends, but if you're powerful enough from NG+ bonuses, you can actually kill the first fiend in a country early and move on to the second fiend of that country on the same turn. This can also change what characters are recruitable from that country, though whether the changes are good or bad depends on which country you do it for. There are also multiple cases where you have to pick one character or the other. Interesting enough, there's a choice in about the middle of game that either makes the final boss barely beatable in a playthrough without new game plus bonuses or very difficult even with maximum NG+ bonuses. Most people will pick the former in a first play through because H-scene, but damn the latter is satisfying to beat even after you've gone through the game multiple times. The final boss is weird because he's harder than almost every super boss in the game in a vaccuum, but the game throws you crutches to make him easier.
#41 by rusanon
2018-07-12 at 16:47
And playing the same game twice in a row, or even more often, is just absolutely not fun.
Rance 10 is okay. Replaying is fun, and you are going to lose badly in first several playthroughs anyway, unless you cheat. So you will naturally get C endings first, then as you learn to play, learn what kind of stuff you should watch for and plan out your game better, you get to B and then A endings and move to second part with grand finale.
Softhouse Chara has plenty of games with NG+ done right, each new replay is very different from previous, with new events, new routes, new difficulty, new starting points and so on.
#42 by sakurakoi
2018-07-12 at 18:42
And playing the same game twice in a row, or even more often, is just absolutely not fun
Well, that sure applies to most eroge but there are games which have fun gameplay that outlasts the story. Rance is not one of them, not even all Eushully games are but some at least. As much as I did like Arterial, the card game, 7 heroines&routes were two too many. Kamidori having three unique routes and Amayui having 2, albeit 1 bad ending one, plus NG+ 4th wall-breaking content is absolutely fine. What is described for Rance sure sounds like a PITA, especially since the gameplay is not that compelling and diverse where it would count.

But I sure do not know how many times I played Tales of Symphonia which only has two branches which end the same anyway (albeit with a slight difference, i.e someone is dead) and has events change in dialogue depending on with whom you are the closest. The Multi-Line Linear Motion Battle System I still love, simple in comparison to never titles but fun~

Oh and I used to play Fire Emblem Fates to kinda kill time, sadly I lost/accidentally overwrote my 999:59 save... luckily the dialogue gallery stays unlocked~ One has by the by to wonder if the dialogue rivals the longest VNs, just reading the one avatars support dialogue took me my train ride home, which was about 3 hours, ofc, the overlapping dialogue increases but the characters are by no means few and by no means standard or swallow. By the by I am still sad that the last DLC was not translated.

There are also multiple cases where you have to pick one character or the other
and see the one ducked whom you did not choose... I'm still baffled at how many have an obvious NTR-voyeurism fetish. That's why I also like Softhouse Chara or the Tails more, albeit the gameplay not being that compelling either.

then as you learn to play, learn what kind of stuff you should watch for and plan out your game better
I am fairly certain that this "learn to play" is not really based on skill but prior knowledge about the gameflow, when timers run out and just how much investment is needed in each section. Namely ya got to be a precog which imho is not that fun. And it is not like I am a skill gamer or a-anything, merely I actually want to play or grind mindlessly (while watching YT videos), not constantly min-max.
#43 by fuukanou
2018-07-12 at 19:14
#42, is your favourite phrase "by the by" because I've only met one other person apart from you who enjoys using it so much.
#44 by kiru
2018-07-12 at 19:38
@41:What I played from Softhouse Chara either had no real use for ng+ or it was just for a different way to grind a bit, or what was called ng+ was essentially not ng+ as the whole game was so based around it that it ended up being rounds rather than anything else. Heck you'd do entire "playthroughs" that consist of clicking one damn button over and over again to get yourself stats.

Don't know if they actually have real ng+ in other games, but their "ng+" is actually not really something I ever used to really replay any of their games. What's bad is stuff like Izumo 4 , which offers ng+ for the different routes, which however doesn't do much for you. The last boss will be a pain and take forever anyway and basically the gameplay is 100% the same even if especially early stuff is going to be fast, because you have endgame stats. Still a massive waste of time.
#45 by kominarachromer
2018-07-12 at 19:51
#41 You can argue over some of the quality of some of their games, but Eushully has a really good New Game+ system going with their Meister games. I also like how Kikouyoku Senki Tenkuu no Yumina scales in difficulty as you beat more routes.

#44 To be fair, you should've been able to tel it had bad gameplay. It has Studio e.go right there on the box. ;)
#46 by sakurakoi
2018-07-12 at 20:02
#44 To be fair, you should've been able to tel it had bad gameplay. It has Studio e.go right there on the box. ;)

Oh, right... they also exist as major eroge maker with actual gameplay. Their games are sure behind Alice Soft and just one level above a certain brand which is named after the lord of the flyers and has the most frustrating gameplay imaginable.

I think the only other noteworthy company (there sure are many noteworthy doujin ones) which does not make "mere" SLGs and which I do not quite know about is Gesen 18 (Sengoku Hime).

#42, is your favourite phrase "by the by" because I've only met one other person apart from you who enjoys using it so much.
Not really my favorite phrase, just one I use for points I do not deem important but worth mentioning/noting. Usually I avoid using "by the by", "on a side note", "Fun Fact:" &c more than once each post but alas this time is slippt past editing (which I only do sentence by sentence, it's not like I am writing a novel or article here). And I simply prefer using it over "by the way".

On a little side note, my favorite phrase is: "Cuteness is Justice!", I enjoy using that one and to stay on-topic and maybe steer it away from "that"...

Lilycle Rainbow Stage!!! kinda is cute however I'm not too fond of such multi-story formats. Even though the characters interact with each other (more than Kindred Spirits on the Roof), it still felt like rather bland short stories and flat characters.
#47 by kiru
2018-07-12 at 20:26
@45: Once you get past the way too long beginning phase, the gameplay of Izumo 4 is excellent. One time that is. Being overleveled is obviously no fun, and there's no fun in beating the same boss 5 times either, even if it's fun the first time.
Story was pretty bad later on though. That's on the light dude though. Debo no Su Seisakusho only did the gameplay part. (more or less at least)Last modified on 2018-07-12 at 20:28
#48 by anceo
2018-07-12 at 21:17
They are still unclear about releasing Rance 01-03 before X.
#24 I never heard of people complaining about the translation quality of MML (only the quality of the story-line). It looks fine to me.Last modified on 2018-07-12 at 21:17
#49 by kominarachromer
2018-07-12 at 21:57
#48 I wouldn't expect any news about the Rance prequels until after 04 is released. It doesn't really make sense to release 01 and 03 only to have to wait until Alice Soft releases the next one.

Besides, Rance X is a long term project. It's not going to be finished anytime soon. When they announce the release date of X and there's still no news of 01 and 03, then you can start complaining.
#50 by tows
2018-07-15 at 16:41
Btw, are there any news about Sengoku Rance being uncensored? Itching really hard about going and completing it again, but I'm suppressing myself to the best of my abilities in hopes for the new art.

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