Regarding the Shin Koihime franchise

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#1 by ernovace
2018-08-14 at 15:33
< report >So, I am thinking of diving in the Shin Koihime franchise. I have experience of playing the original Koihime but I didn't finish it apart from 1 route, so it is basically starting afresh.

But seeing these many VNs is confusing. I was wondering which ones and in which order should I play them?

Do I start with Shin Koihime † Musou ~Otome Ryouran ☆ Sangokushi Engi~ > Shin Koihime † Musou ~Moeshouden~ > Shin Koihime † Eiyuutan and then do the newer ones ( Shin Koihime † Musou -Kakumei- Souten no Haou > Shin Koihime † Musou - Kakumei ~Son Go no Ketsumyaku~) ? Or do I just play the newer ones?
#2 by realitymaker
2018-08-14 at 15:57
< report >Kakumei versions are basically remakes with of Wei’s/Gi’s and Wu’s/Go’s routes. They have the original scenes with some revisions, but more new characters. If you’re willing to wait for Shu’s/Shoku’s next year, I’d recommend skipping Shin Koihime in favor for Kakumei.

Moeshouden is a fan disc for the original Shin Koihime, so it wouldn’t make sense to read it until after you read the main. The Eiyuutan series is also similar to Moeshouden in that it is also post game scenes, but they were introducing some new characters into the series.
#3 by ernovace
2018-08-14 at 19:28
< report >So, there is basically no reason to do the original Shin Koihime?
#4 by realitymaker
2018-08-14 at 20:07
< report >There's not much reason unless you either don't want to wait for Shu's release or you want it an "all the routes in one game" package.
#5 by botzy
2018-08-15 at 00:50
< report >I would second that, there's no real point in reading SKM any more. I'd go Kakumei - Moeshoudan - Eiyuutan.

The only issue I could think of would be losing the Kakumei characters in the old fandiscs or maybe not getting Shu interaction if you don't want to wait for the last Kakumei next year.
#6 by chaos94600
2018-08-25 at 17:05
< report >Well the original SKM have it's own flavor , as kakumei have new characters and story change "quite a lot" for go ( As kazuto meets sonsaku mother , he started with sonsaku and sonken so it differs "a lot" story wise from the original SKM route).

Also the growth of the character will probably not be the same at all , it's just a bit of spoiler but in kakumei go route , kazuto killed someone himself in battle , he is growing as a mc , I like this WAY BETTER than original SKM where he was literally just a "breeding horse" ( to put it badly ) . I feel like I'll like this route if it doesn't ends badly :v , well saying more without spoiler tags would be dangerous so gonna stop but if you have time , you can play both. I played all koihime series games xD. Koihime and majikoi series are my fav moege series.
#7 by alexlung
2019-03-23 at 14:41
< report >After reviewing both versions the scripts are more or less the same except the better story, new characters and ofc big differences as pointed out. So good that I stumble upon this thread, kinda feel bad for the ppl who translates Shin now since if anything has a bigger shot of getting licensed would definitely be Kakumei's remakes.

Sucks that Shu Kakumei is not out yet, still good to play the other two while waiting for Total War Three Kingdoms though. Dynasty Warrior 9 was a big disappointment, shameful display

I hope to see Kakumei series gets translated one day
#8 by ᔕᕼᖇOOᗰᒪOᖇᗪ
2019-04-28 at 22:16
< report >Great thread. I read the original a long, looooong time ago. Lured by Bundai and the voluptous women of Go I decided to finally get back to this series starting with Son Go no Ketsumyaku. And now I need more. I made this simple breakdown/overview to that end for my own benefit and I'm wondering if anyone would like to add or correct something.

1 Koihime † Musou ~Doki ☆ Otome Darake no Sangokushi Engi~ The original game. Arguably made obsolete by 2-1.
2-1 Shin Koihime † Musou ~Otome Ryouran ☆ Sangokushi Engi~ Remake of the original game. Arguably made obsolete by the Kakumei series.
2-2 Shin Koihime † Musou ~Moeshouden~ Fandisc.
2-3 Shin Koihime † Eiyuutan 1 ~Otome Enran ☆ Sangokushi Engi - Shoku~ Alternative story based on Shin Koihime Musou focusing on Shoku.
2-4 Shin Koihime † Eiyuutan 2 ~Otome Enran ☆ Sangokushi Engi - Gi~ Alternative story based on Shin Koihime Musou focusing on Gi.
2-5 Shin Koihime † Eiyuutan 3 ~Otome Enran ☆ Sangokushi Engi - Go~ Alternative story based on Shin Koihime Musou focusing on Go.
3-1 Shin Koihime † Musou - Kakumei ~Souten no Haou~ Part of a complete series remake focusing on Gi.
3-2 Shin Koihime † Musou - Kakumei ~Son Go no Ketsumyaku~ Part of a complete series remake focusing on Go.
3-3 Shin Koihime † Musou - Kakumei ~Ryuuki no Taibou~ Part of a complete series remake focusing on Shoku.
#9 by eltonan
2019-05-02 at 07:39
< report >Jeez, how many remakes does this series have? Must make things confusing. Also what do you think are the chances that MangaGamer will translate another game in the series and if they do which one is it likely to be?
#10 by onorub
2019-05-02 at 11:35
< report >Shin Koihime Musou is not a remake, but a reimagining of the original, having a completely different plot that is closer to the original three kingdoms story. The only remake in the series are the Kakumei games.
#11 by eacil
2019-07-25 at 21:56
< report >Finally, they renewed themselves!
KIDDING!
#12 by ᔕᕼᖇOOᗰᒪOᖇᗪ
2019-08-03 at 14:46
< report >#11
Cool! Thanks for posting about it. Here's to hoping the gameplay is fun. Renfa looks awesome: link

Holding thumbs hard for a Kakumei fandisc a la Moeshouden announcement.
#13 by eacil
2020-05-03 at 00:32
< report >Wouldn't it be better if Shin Koihime † Eiyuutan was split into three VN?
The 3 releases appear to be quite separate in content, related to their respective faction.
They have separate webpages and main menus (according to vndb's screenshots). Even if they were packed into one edition at some point, they are shipped separately again, and expanded with new short stories, in the incoming (Kakumei) Premium Packages.
The thing is, if you shouldn't have any problem with reading it if you came from Shin Koihime † Musou ~Otome Ryouran ☆ Sangokushi Engi~, I assume there is not much point in reading the parts linked to the Kakumei remakes you didn't read.
#14 by shadiow
2021-01-10 at 14:27
< report >Hey I'm so confused right now researching so someone please confirm my assumption.
I'm going to use numbering from #8.
So 2-1 is a remake of 1 , and 3s are remake of 2-1right ? Technically the best version to play should be the 3s. But my question is 2-1 is 30-50 hours but the 3s are all 50+ hours long and that looks intimidating. My choice is either to play a 50 hour game or a 150+ hour trilogy?
#15 by realitymaker
2021-01-10 at 21:20
< report >I'd honestly just recommend reading the 3s series as it's an updated version of 2-1. It's been a long time since I've read 2-1, but I felt like 2-1 was much longer than 30 to 50 hours.
#16 by then00bavenger
2021-01-10 at 23:49
< report >Shin Koihime has a ridiculous 6+ MB script size.

Imagine for example, Muv Luv Extra, Muv Luv Unlimited, and Muv Luv Alternative all combined. Or Alternatively, every single episode of Umineko combined. That's still less than 6 MB. 30-50 hours would be quite an underestimation.

The Kakumei games all combined will come out to more than 6 MB(not sure how much exactly) but you're still looking at a lot of time to go through no matter what.
#17 by shadiow
2021-01-11 at 05:56
< report >Oh alright that's extremely long. Maybe someone should edit the length tag then. Also, might not be related but do you guys have any recommendation for shorter VN in Japanese that might introduce me to this historical and ancient chinese/japanese war period? The names and terminologies intimidate me so I need some starter to get me going. Thanks.

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