Just beat this eroge, and... meh.

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#1 by zerael
2018-08-23 at 01:15
First of all I didnt want to read this novel since I feared that its will be like Dies Irae~~where ending for some heroines was toooooooo open.

But, main heroine have my favorite (in eroge) seyiuu's voice.
Plus I have a thing for superheroes.
So, I take all my courage and... beat it. Completely. I saw every scenes.

What you need to smoke to create this?
They tried to mix everthing there, superheroes, tragedy, drama, horror, mystic, comedy, adventure, pure love story.
Near to the end those "plot twists" start giving me headache.
There a lot of drama, that sound so forced to me.
But, maybe that just me. I guess I'm too picky.

And I cant help myself to compare this to narcomania in Evangelion.
Hhhhhhh, anyway, with everything said above, I highly recommends to read this vn.
If you still havent, then do it.

10 Evadrugs out of 10.
#2 by sovapex
2018-10-06 at 06:48
It's definitely not just you. I'm playing this and it's like the devs have no shame at all. The shounen speeches are unbelievably stupid. Even that's forgivable if you remember to hold down the ctrl button until the dramatic music stops. Easily one of the most WTF contenders was Keziah's first interaction with Aisaku. She goes on about some shit that makes her sound like a complete Chuuni and they all take it super seriously. And then the second interaction, Aisaku physically ATTACKS her whilst making a hot blooded speech. I know this is supposed to be a Japanese shounen superhero VN, but... I mean, just a bit of self awareness would be great. It takes itself to seriously it's impossible not to cringe into a black hole.

I don't know what it is that keeps me playing this game. The antagonist kinda sucks. He's just like the other characters, full of ridiculous hot blooded speeches (he even says LOVE is the strongest thing about mankind in one of them), but he also acts like he didn't just, y'know, do what he did to Aisaku and Keziah. He just shows up to spar and give condescending advice. It's dumb af.

That's really my only problem with the game, aside from the really bad heroine routes. I'm probably gonna finish it for some reason, probably because I like the crazy H content (really, it has what-if scenarios where heroines get raped and shit. the dev is WEIRD).Last modified on 2018-10-06 at 06:51
#3 by sovapex
2018-10-06 at 07:03
Actually, nah, I'm sick of the dialogue.
#4 by sovapex
2018-10-06 at 07:09
Actually, nah, I'm sick of the dialogue.
#5 by eltonan
2018-10-06 at 08:32
This sounds like a case of try to please everyone you're going to end up pleasing no-one. Apparently the Japanese audience must of thought the same as you since the developer Tail Wind went out of business the same year as this game's Japanese release.Last modified on 2018-10-06 at 08:32
#6 by kamenreader
2018-10-06 at 09:29
#5 Small correction the game is on getchu considered one of "the best game" same distinction as Subahibi or Muramasa, there are several reason as to why a company can go under and the cause in this case doesn't seem to be this game
#7 by eltonan
2018-10-06 at 11:29
#6 "Subahibi" "the best game". Let me laugh even harder.
#8 by surferdude
2018-10-06 at 14:06
^ Let me join you in laughter.
#9 by kominara
2018-10-06 at 15:53
#6 [citation needed]

I can't find it on the work's page, and the awards are only archived back to 2010. Besides that, from the awards I can see, they seem to be unreliable when it comes to actual quality or popularity; every year, the top slots are dominated by a metric shitload of creatively bankrupt moege like Yuzusoft-shit or Lump of Sugar-shit. Hell, I'm pretty sure that if I saw 2009's list, Osadai would be on there and I'd pop a fucking blood vessel. And on the popularity angle; ChronoBox was on the 2016 list, and the company that made it still went bankrupt. It's not necessarily an indicator of anything.

#7/#8 It actually lost to Koiiro Soramoyou of all things, since apparently Japanese users share your shit taste.
#10 by eacil
2018-10-06 at 17:09
I you search for the game on getchu you will see a sticker "the Best game" next to the different editions (not on the game page but on the search list).
Also, Subabibi ranked 2th in 2010, 1st for the scenario and the music, 3nd for the graphics, 4th for a character. That's most likely how it got the sticker.
It is also not a ranking based on sales (can't do that with such categories) but a user poll. It's basically the same as the moe game award.

Edit: Koiiro Soramoyou was first and it also has the sticker.Last modified on 2018-10-06 at 17:12
#11 by kiru
2018-10-06 at 18:22
@2: Congratz, you just learned what Chuuni is. In most cases that is. And it's the very reason why I tend to not like these kinda games, as it's pretty laughable in static VNs where battles are horrible if they don't have any story relevance and have obvious outcomes.

Things like:
-Over the top speeches and passion for the silly
-Hands down stupid events or characters being taken seriously
-emotion guides all
-fights are there to be fights and hotblooded, little else (as in, they have no actual value in the story, for the most part)
-fights are often decided by deus ex machina. People randomly having new abilities they never mentioned, they awake to new powers or some stranger you never saw before appears and quickly defeats the enemy.

That is liked. That is part of many popular games like The Baldr series and whatnot. That's not to say that it's always like that. But it's very very common. Finding a few chuuni games that don't do all of this and at least tell a solid story is a little hard.

edit: I personally consider chuuni the magical girl equivalent for guys, if we ignore that plenty of real magical girl exists for guys as well. Meaning the magical girl show aimed at young girls, that twisted to something for guys. The themes are a little different. Cool vs. cute for example. But both love their "friendship", both love keeping their abilities secret, both love random not mattering battles and both love having everyone take everything serious, no matter how silly it may seem. Also deus ex machina.
Magical Girl was basically the basis on which chuuni was built. It's kinda funny, if you think about it.Last modified on 2018-10-06 at 18:26
#12 by kominara
2018-10-06 at 19:09
#11 I mean, I agree for the most part, but calling Baldr chuuni is a bit misleading. The series does have some over-the-top plot points and character motivations on occasion, but the writing isn't really long-winded and ornate enough to be recognizable chuuni, there's no recognizable super powers unless you count psychics/brain chips, and most of the fights both serve some purpose within the plot and have a gameplay element to them. They're standard cyberpunk/mecha games, not chuuni. Calling it that is like calling Gundam 0079 a martial arts anime.
#13 by kamenreader
2018-10-06 at 20:06
#11 to me you've just described a bad chuuni not the genre in itself(through I'm someone to find the term chuuni kinda stupid) and a lot of that could apply to battle "shonen" manga or anime too, it's simplified to the extreme and slightly biased, every genres can be described like that and sound bad, it's not because there is a lot of shit(since let's be honest there is a lot of shit everywhere ) that the shit become the to go guide/reference. It doesn't mean you don't have the right to not like it but I think it's a little unfair to sum and then discard the whole genre like that.(Also a good chunk of those doesn't prevent a good story to be told)Last modified on 2018-10-06 at 20:19
#14 by eltonan
2018-10-06 at 21:25
#9 Kinda contradicting yourself aren't you: The Japanese rankings are shit because this game lost to a generic moege but the Japanese rankings are also good cuz the recognised it as one of "the best game".
#15 by kominara
2018-10-06 at 21:48
#14 Where did I say that the ratings were good?
#16 by eltonan
2018-10-06 at 23:02
The ratings on getchu.Last modified on 2018-10-06 at 23:04
#17 by kominara
2018-10-06 at 23:09
#16 Re-read the thread, and pay closer attention to the usernames.
#18 by eltonan
2018-10-06 at 23:43
So on what ranking did it lose to Koiiro Soramoyou? Unless your talking about another ranking else entirely.
#19 by kominara
2018-10-06 at 23:52
I was stating that as an example that Getchu users/Japanese readers aren't exactly the end-all be-all judges of VN quality. I never tried to say that Getchu ratings were at all reliable; hell, I'm saying the opposite. Sure they recognized it as the second best VN of 2010, but even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and it doesn't necessarily lend any credibility to their rankings.
#20 by eltonan
2018-10-06 at 23:57
Oh ok. I was just pointing out the irony that you actually agree with the getchu ranking (in this case) but still think they're wrong (though granted I could have worded it a bit better).Last modified on 2018-10-07 at 00:00
#21 by zerael
2018-10-11 at 11:14
I found out that japanese really love drama and tragedy. And by love.
I mean LOVE. No one of them can recoginze forced drama or not.
And I bet, they love this novel is exactly cuz of salty story, and not cuz of heroic\cheesy speach in there. And I'm not really suprised if its THE BEST VN to japanese readers.

Most thing that I dislike there isnt "chuuni" thing, but a drama, that I found too forced.
The things that I dislikes in this vn.

1. Kizaia's death - I found it forced, so thus its simply angered me.
2. Main hero is slowpoke whos always late to save people - Really, I think that this bugged me a LOT than everything other there.
He is fking SUPERHERO, and cant save anyone.
Every character he want to save, still die shortly.
3. Shota death (forget his name, sry) - Again, his death gives impression, that he died cuz of plot, not more, not less.
4. Hero personality - He agree to cooperate with Satgat guy (Kizaia), who killed his love,
but go nuts learing that he is a clone (which, actually is not) and tried to kill "Real"-Kizaia? Really?
Last modified on 2018-10-11 at 11:19
#22 by sakurakoi
2018-10-11 at 11:34
I found out that japanese really love drama and tragedy. And by love.
I mean LOVE. No one of them can recoginze forced drama or not.
As if the west was different~

Seriously, it is not *deadpan face*

And simply put, those who feel that they do have not enough drama in their life, can not get enough drama while those who feel that they do had enough in their life will obviously not seek it in fiction, instead (and at best) they take it in moderation. Japanese may tend to be just a bit more bored than even western VN readers but not by much if even the case.
#23 by zerael
2018-10-11 at 11:56
Japanese is just hetare who loves drama and NTR. Lets face reallity, japanese is a bit off, than western people.

I like drama, and from my personal experinece, I can say there two types of drama.
The bad one (forceful, oversalty, etc).
And the good one (bitter, sad but beautifull, etc)
I cried A LOT on Angel Beats, Penguindrum.
But Your April Lie or Plastic Memories pissed me off.

Sigh, what I even talking about, since they make Harems non-stop like there no tomorrow, with a small difference.


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