About NTR VNs, does "revenge" exist for Protag. ?
|#1 by batoo|
2018-08-27 at 16:38
|I think that everyone will agree with me that the vast majority of "Netorare" games have as protagonist a character who ... (How to say politely ...? No it's impossible to say it politely !) Is a passive assh*le because he doesn't react (other than lamenting in his corner). |
Instead of these characters, I would try to avenge myself (either by finding a new girlfriend, taking her back or by blatantly farting a shot and killing the other guy) and I think I'm not the only one who thinks so.
I'm not a fan of the NTR at all, but it can be an interesting element in a VN if there is a REAL story behind it, with multiple and various possibilities of ends. I wish I could avoid all VNs that have uniquely rotten ends (in the style "mind break ahegos love others c*ks and bukkake fountains").
I want a protagonist with balls ! XD
So my question is :
Are there any good Netorare VNs where the protagonist finally has the last word (No Yaoi or Yaoi-like please) ?Last modified on 2018-08-31 at 22:16
|#2 by kominara|
2018-08-27 at 19:27
|I haven't played it, but Triangle Blue seems like what you're looking for. Try the early works of Kanno Hiroyuki too; most of the NTR is kind of vague, but the protagonists are generally less passive (hell, in Desire, the protagonist only gets cheated on because he slept with like every other woman on the island).|
I think that most "good" NTR VNs have some sort of good ending for the protagonist. The majority of
netorare titles by Dieselmine and Softhouse-Seal have complete hetares as protagonists, for instance, but most of Alice Soft's netorare titles have systems where the scenes can be avoided and/or the ones perpetrating them killed. Really, just look up the Netorare tag and filter out Only Bad Endings/possibly Hetare Protagonist, and you'll find a ton.
|#3 by pabloc|
2018-08-27 at 20:35
|Something like revenge might be quite though thing to find. Some VNs do have avoidable NTR, but it's all or nothing most of the time. Once it happens, protagonist usually can't do anything about it anymore.|
Oyako Rankan has many possible options - finding new girlfriend, taking back NTR-ed one, or getting a harem ending like a boss. And it has good gameplay to boot. I haven't played other Alicesoft's NTR-focused titles, but I'd say they are a good place to start.
Dark Blue has an option like that in one of the routes. But it requires the protag to kinda go out of his way and be passive for no (solid) reason at one point, because he's perfectly capable of preventing NTR altogether. Not sure if I'd classify it as a good VN, too. I liked it, but it definitely has some solid flaws.
I can't think of any other VNs I played featuring anything like that, but if you don't mind story-heavy ero-RPGs, Thug Hero Party could be a good pick. While its protagonist is a mega-useless weakling, endings offer him a few satisfying options for revenge. He is VERY useless throughout the whole game though.
And since I already NTR-ed one thread about a totally vanilla VN to shamelessly advertise another ero-RPG (涙声のギニヨル / I Am Your Guignol), I might as well add it here: t11114.22 :P Though it's more about being badass to avoid NTR rather than about revenge and such.Last modified on 2018-08-27 at 20:37
|#4 by kominara|
2018-08-27 at 21:03
|#3 Fucking THP, man. I liked it, but the writer seems addicted to Diabolus ex Machinas, and practically none of the endings are actually satisfying. Then again, writers pulling shit out of their ass to justify the protagonist getting cucked is par for the course in the genre. Besides that, a lot of the characters feel flat, and I don't like how every single girl goes from practical nun to thirsty cock-gobbling slut and/or some douchebag's wife in like 30 minutes. |
Besides that, the gameplay can border on tedium, especially during the third act. Thug Hero Party could have benefited a lot from some extra length, a better grasp on character writing, and some more thought put into the gameplay. Still far better than all the /hgg2d/ female protagonist monster rape corruption grind-shit that seems to dominate the genre, though.
|#5 by sanahtlig|
2018-08-31 at 19:52
|I like NTR games with good endings where the NTR is difficult or impossible to avoid; this generates emotional tension. For games with unavoidable NTR, being able to turn the tables is mandatory to maintain suspense.|
I Am Your Guignol is one of my favorites. There is an element of revenge to it. As pabloc said, it's simply the best RPGMaker NTR game you'll find.
Mekujira's Island of Sold Virtue is another good one. The protagonist is a bit weak but the heroine makes up for it. Good endings and revenge are possible but the NTR is not avoidable.
Resign is literally a revenge story. Haven't played much of it but it seemed ok.
I'm fond of Thug Hero Party despite the problems described. However, the endings aren't satisfying in the sense that the main heroines cannot be properly "won"; the last bit feels very disconnected from the main story. Their most recent game seems to have NTR elements and is a better game overall.
The problem with most of Lilim's games is that the NTR is either gated by obvious "Do you want to be NTR'd?" choices, or any misstep is completely unrecoverable. Dearest Blue is the best title of their's I've played; the choices aren't transparent and don't necessarily have immediate consequences, and as a result the game is full of suspense.Last modified on 2018-08-31 at 19:55
|#6 by batoo|
2018-08-31 at 22:42
|Thank you very much for answering my question, i will go see some of your proposals more closely.|
For my part the only game type "NTR" that I appreciated for the variety of its purposes was Kabe no Mukou no Tsuma no Koe 2.
I have moderately love the story (NTR was unavoidable due of the nature of the story) ... But I liked the variety of ends offered; many ends where the protagonist is NTRed (his wife continues to cheat on him secretly or otherwise), a "divorced" end, another where the protagonist steals the wife of the man who f*cks his wife ...
Another game I liked (I have forgotten the name) is where the protagonist goes to work away from home leaving behind him his girlfriend (who is also his childhood friend) with some of his "friends" to take care of her.
This game offered a lot of choices where we could decide to deceive our girlfriend or not and it had an impact on their lives when they saw each other on the weekend, who could push the heroine to infidelity with other characters and finally get NTRed (on the other hand I never played the NTR ends, the childhood friend was too cute lol).
These games had a "good" story or just good endings but they were interesting. On the other hand I hated Iro Yoridori ... I didn't knew what was a Hetare protagonist and ... It was really rotten.
It's for this reason that I ask for help because even with the tags, I can't find a good "NTR" VN.
The ideal would be the game where the NTR is avoidable but present in case of errors with the possibility of getting out and having a good end for the protagonist.Last modified on 2018-08-31 at 22:56
|#7 by behappyeveryday|
2018-09-30 at 18:26
|What is this? Netorare thread without mention of Gatenkei? link|
|#8 by krykry|
2018-09-30 at 22:25
|Like #2 mentioned, Blue series looks like what you're looking for.|
|#9 by warrwx|
2018-11-13 at 15:15
|New here, hope VNDB does not have a rule against digging up old threads.|
Ai Suru Tsuma, Misaki no Furin Shouko
It is the only game I can think of after read the op's post.
Not sure if you have read about a famous thread on 2ch. It is a Japanese guy sharing his own story about how he found trace of his wife's infidelity, and after knowing for sure, how he got back at his wife and her lover.
The game is somehow very much alike to the thread(although the game came out earlier). I would not say that the game is a very good one but it has something to its credit.Last modified on 2018-11-13 at 15:56
|#10 by warrwx|
2018-11-13 at 15:25
|Damn the net work... Repeat post...Last modified on 2018-11-13 at 15:28|
|#11 by warrwx|
2018-11-13 at 15:25
|Here is a game I can think of after reading the op: link|
Not sure if you have read about a post on 2ch in 2014.
It is about a Japanese guy sharing his own story about how he found trace of his wife's infidelity, and after knowing for sure, how he got back at her and the lover.
Although it came out earlier, the game is and this real-life story is somehow very much alike to each other. I would not say that the game is a very good one, but it certainly has something to its credit. Hope you can enjoy it.Last modified on 2018-11-13 at 15:54
|#12 by warrwx|
2018-11-13 at 15:26
|happened again...Last modified on 2018-11-13 at 15:29|
|#13 by warrwx|
2018-11-13 at 15:27
|and again...Last modified on 2018-11-13 at 15:29|
|#14 by batoo|
2018-12-11 at 16:51
|Dude, I will immediately put it in my wishlist! I hope it will be worth it :3|
|#15 by behappyeveryday|
2018-12-19 at 12:21
|@11 This game is rather lame as NTR because there is no any romantic interactions between husband and wife. But "revenge" part definitely was well done. Only for me it looked more like him being an ass, because I don't get a feeling of betrayal or him caring about her at all. Overall it feels more like netori.Last modified on 2018-12-19 at 12:22|
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