The state of VNs on Steam
|#26 by pendelhaven|
2018-09-11 at 07:50
I think that sexually explicit games will be barred from appearing in the front page.
as it should. pervs will find the pervy materials themselves *smugface* no need for any "marketing tool".
|#27 by d2o|
2018-09-11 at 11:05
|#23 According to these tags, it's even possible to get Maggot Baits in.|
|#28 by sakurakoi|
2018-09-11 at 12:08
|Well, as long as it is not Cyclet...|
seriously though, it does not matter whether Steam also deal with pr0n, it is but a matter of hiding it well.
Asking for and saving the birthday date while warning (semi-obligatory) against giving false information (or "something" will happen) already can work well.
Using it in conjunction with what Steam already offers
(just saw it, turns out there was no tick for Adult Only Sexual Content)
and doing it properly of course, like hiding mature content+preferences from anyone below 16 or 18, should be enough... though ofc it will never be enough for those who do not want it.
I am disappointed by the by that one can only exclude ten tags...
[quoted]as it should. pervs will find the pervy materials themselves *smugface* no need for any "marketing tool".[/quote]
Well, once someone is "tainted" (curious) it is not like there is a going back hence why the sole focus should be on preventing early accidents. A teenager will do anything once they decide to google for boobies (girls) or want more sensual material (boys), it's too late then, asking for a credit card or ID to confirm will not make that "awakening" end well (total prohibition ofc will end even worse for not few will then just try real life), so free pr0n banzai!
|#29 by pendelhaven|
2018-09-11 at 14:12
|#28 if only its that easy, then the rapelay incident would never have happened. moralfags gonna moralfag after all. and I don't think that just because we have now proven that there's no correlation between violent video games and real life school shooting, doesn't mean paranoid moralfags will shut up about muh morality in fictional setting. it happened before, therefore there's nothing stopping the same thing to happen again.|
|#30 by encrypted12345|
2018-09-11 at 15:22
|Personally, I'm curious as to how things will change or perhaps stay the same. I could see companies still try to release all ages versions and H-patches even if Steam allows the adult version for the sake of being more easily seen on Steam (not to mention for the sake of KS). Steam could afford to be more strict about that type of thing now and disallow official H-patches though. It could also be the case that Steam lets companies upload seperate all ages and adult versions of the same title onto their store, which would leave some incentive for companies to provide all ages releases.Last modified on 2018-09-11 at 15:23|
|#31 by kominarachromer|
2018-09-11 at 15:42
|#30 The better solution, IMO, would be to add free DLC. It's the same as an adult patch, it's easier to access, and Steam can still have complete control.|
|#32 by encrypted12345|
2018-09-11 at 20:09
With the type of content Meltys has, pretty much anything goes now.
|#33 by kominarachromer|
2018-09-11 at 20:55
|#32 Melty has some relatively extreme content, but it's still pretty middle of the road, especially since it's also an actual game and it doesn't fall into the VN ghetto. When the like of Dasaku, 3M -Marionettes manipulate the marionette-, and Shiniyuku Kimi, Yakata ni Mebuku Zouo start showing up on Steam, then I'll believe that they've actually changed their minds.|
|#34 by encrypted12345|
2018-09-11 at 21:38
|@33 While Melty doesn't have guro or scat, it has shota and bestiality, two fetishes that are commonly made illegal. It is true that not EVERYTHING has been shown to be allowed for Steam; though if Maggot Baits and Euphoria make it through, then you could say Steam has no limits.|
|#35 by torgr|
2018-09-12 at 09:15
|I suppose only time will tell if this is a good or bad thing, though I feel it leans more towards bad, with far more to lose than gain.|
|#36 by sakurakoi|
2018-09-12 at 10:11
While Melty doesn't have guro or scat, it has shota and bestiality, two fetishes that are commonly made illegal.Indeed, I am fairly certain that scat (which is just disgusting anyway) is about as illegal as cunnilingus (namely, in the UK). Guro(&Ryona+Vore) meanwhile is rather difficult to define and deem as illegal since sexual violence is already given in case of rape so basically all fictional media containing rape must be deemed illegal then. Underage sex and bestiality/non-human intercourse is much more tangible.
Just imagine: "It's alright for fictional media to show and even let one engage in rape but beating, cutting, killing and being literary eaten while the rape happens is NG! (Outside of rape it's ofc ok, can't ban all 'em violent games after all~)" - Murica, the authority on everything, including fake news&studies
it's also an actual game and it doesn't fall into the VN ghetto.incidentally it is more a VN than 99% of pre-2000 VNs (ADVs), much text to playtime, lack of difficulty and the utter lack of a failure state sure detract from the gaming experience.
#28 if only its that easy, then the rapelay incident would never have happened. moralfags gonna moralfag after all.This is obvious and goes without saying but I am rather curious... which legal rulings followed that incident? And of course, I do not mean these silly self-restrictions, even if those "guilds" (incorporated associations) make rules, they are not a legal body that can persecute you beyond any contract/membership you signed (so duck EOCS and yes, selling pr0n in an unrestricted shop is not the jurisdiction of rating boards, they merely help to prevent "accidents" and shops like that backing).
All I know is that it's being limited to that very game in very few countries which are puritan anyway. (UK who bans all non-ultra-vanilla production, Australia who bans everything)
|#37 by encrypted12345|
2018-09-12 at 13:25
|@36 As far as I know, there was nothing legally changed as a result of Rapelay, it only scared off the market. I doubt anything would change even if similar news outrage happened now, if only because Trump is distracting everyone else, and he isn't focused on Japanese porn game. Heck, you could even spin getting offended by Japanese porn games as being homophobic and racist.|
|#38 by kominarachromer|
2018-09-12 at 13:27
much text to playtime, lack of difficulty and the utter lack of a failure state sure detract from the gaming experienceIt's appealing to the modern gamer. There's no time for "difficulty" or "failure"; it's all about the dialogue and the cinematic experience of watching a perfectly average porno. I'm sure IGN would give it a 10/10.
|#39 by usagi|
2018-09-14 at 17:21
|Two interesting consequences so far from the new steam rules:|
1)lots of free 18+ steam patches with rather peculiar (and most likely mandatory) descriptions
Highway Blossoms - 18+ Adult Only Content
Negligee - Mature Content
Shining Song Starnova - 18+ Adult Only Content
Tomboys Need Love Too! 18+ Patch
2) country restrictions
Countries where 18+ steam games won't be available due to legal reasons:
Papua New Guinea,
So, in the end some merits still remain in selling only all age versions on Steam.Last modified on 2018-09-14 at 17:21
|#40 by kiru|
2018-09-14 at 17:45
|The thing with Germany is kinda weird. In theory, verification for being 18+ is necessary for ALL games that are rated as such. Steam was, as such, always in a really gray area. When adult content gets restricted in Germany because of that reason, Call of Duty wouldn't be allowed anymore either.|
I hope this isn't just going to end in a "the small fold, the big don't care" way.
|#41 by kominarachromer|
2018-09-14 at 19:10
|#40 Germany has historically had an awful lot of restrictions on games; though most were due to violence or Nazis (movies with Nazis or violence are fine though). It's not surprising that they don't want porn games in their country.|
|#42 by kiru|
2018-09-14 at 19:27
|^Read my post again. Then read up on why it's not in Germany. |
It's only about the age verification right now. About nothing else. In Germany it's not enough to click on "sure, I'm over 18". For any product that is only for people above 18. Anything else doesn't matter. At least so far.
And, to be fair: Most of the world is behind on this. Why bother with "adult only" tags and labels, if you don't actually control it? Waste of time and labor.
|#43 by alexlung|
2018-09-14 at 19:49
With the type of content Meltys has, pretty much anything goes now.
Having sex in an open public setting;
Sexual activities with blood related family members in a fantasy world;
Small penis, big penis, monster penis, tentacle penis;
Big breasts, very big breasts, and very very big breasts;
Graphical descriptions and depictions of genitals, smegma, and prostate area;
Holy shit this is allowed to stay on steam and full uncensored, just wow
|#44 by encrypted12345|
2018-09-14 at 20:22
|Well, technically, they didn't ask permission to update with the H-scenes, but it was Adult Only before the update anyways. Steam hasn't done anything about it yet, so it might actually be okay, but I wouldn't be surprised if Steam swooped in and banned the game.|
If Melty is okay, pretty much everything in MG's catalog is probably okay (if Steam is consistent) barring Maggot Baits, Euphoria, or a couple of other titles that have scat that I don't remember. Meltys has shota, so if that means loli is okay too, then Rance VI and Evenicle are okay; Meltys has bestiality (if you count fully transformed werewolf), so Beat Blades Haruka is okay. MG should try Euphoria and Maggot Baits just to see if Steam will accept scat and extreme levels of guro. I think they won't, but no harm in asking.Last modified on 2018-09-14 at 21:07
|#45 by trickzzter|
2018-09-15 at 10:35
|Dharker Studio is just being stupid. No one asked them to ban the game in all these countries. The only one who complained is Germany.|
|#46 by kiru|
2018-09-15 at 10:51
|^Afaik nobody complained at all. It's usually those you want to avoid as a small studio though.|
|#47 by dk382|
2018-09-15 at 11:52
|I'm still not really sure if the "all-ages game with an 18+ dlc" approach will fly with Valve. I know for a fact that valve does not ever check DLC at all, so there's a possibility that some of these companies will try to use this method to slip some content past Steam's content checkers. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these companies never checked with Valve beforehand and are just doing this assuming that everything will be okay.|
Melty's Quest was similarly not checked by Valve at all. They updated their existing game on Steam to the uncensored version and their store page to reflect the change in content, but none of these changes need to be verified by Steam. So they essentially took an all-ages game on Steam and updated it to a rather extreme pornographic game without first getting approval. It's shit like this that makes me feel like Valve might still decide to roll some of these changes back.
Some of these companies rushing in to be the first might just end up ruining it for everyone if they're not careful.Last modified on 2018-09-15 at 11:53
|#48 by warfoki|
2018-09-16 at 09:29
|Honestly, when it comes to that the most important factor is if the original upload of Melty Quest had the same age restriction or not. If it was always adult only, then well, you could only buy it if you claimed that you were 18+ anyway. However, if the original release was not 18+, but say 16+ or lower, yeah, that's a problem. Like, if I had game at the age of, say, 13 that suddenly updated itself from having some scantily clad ladies to full blown porn, I would have been the happiest little horny fucker in the world, but I'm not quite sure if my parents had shared my enthusiasm...|
|#49 by dk382|
2018-09-16 at 09:59
|There was no real "adults only" category before, only "mature." Which still had an 18+ age restriction afaik, but a more easily circumvented one that parents might have cared less about enforcing via parental controls (though yes, I know that's their own dumbass fault). I think in general devs updating a game to go from one status to another isn't something steam is going to be comfortable with, and Melty's Quest's dev said themselves that they didn't consult Valve on this, so I'm just worried that things could go bad if more companies do this.|
|#50 by encrypted12345|
2018-09-16 at 14:10
|@48 I can confirm that Meltys was Adult only (under the new Steam system) before the patch update. That's one of the things I noticed before the 1.2 update.|
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