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#1 by ryanxbr
2018-10-14 at 03:23
This VN have Netorare content? I know, the tags say "no", but I want to confirm...
#2 by kratoscar2008
2018-10-14 at 03:39
How in a game about girls dying in gruesome ways you major turn off is NTR?
#3 by kozmo
2018-10-14 at 14:28
@2 Are you that Maggot Baits is about "girls dying in gruesome ways" ??

Correct me if I am wrong , but there just some few Guro scenes

I think that "Guro 3.0" tag isn't quite right. I don't know.
#4 by kratoscar2008
2018-10-14 at 16:51
The entire gimmick of the girls is that they are inmortal so they get killed over and over again There is also futa and gangrape. NTR isnt exactly the biggest turn off of this game (Though apparently there is a happy ending for at least 1 girl).
#5 by sakurakoi
2018-10-14 at 17:13
Why would one classify NTR in the same category as Guro and Futa when all sure are in different categories?

Someone who is into Guro certainly can not like Futa and the other way round, the same applies to NTR, oh and Bestiality as well (also present). There is no silly more-turn-off-than-the-other-ranking there.

And there sure is a difference in seeing the heroine raped as male protagonist who wants to protect/possess her, by herself/her perspective or as protagonist who rapes her (by proxy maybe). How gruesome it is, is simply irrelevant. At least I have no interest either to be a protagonist destined to fail and watch, rather I accept (if not love) to be the protagonist who is destined to fail and is XXX'd or at least be the one who succeeds.
#6 by kratoscar2008
2018-10-14 at 20:42
NTR relies heavily on your attachment to an heroine, if you are willing to see the girls die in gruesome ways surely you would be okay for them to be fucked in front of the MC. Just seems silly to worry about NTR in this kind of game.
#7 by shinytentacool
2018-10-14 at 23:33
I don't know how MG thought to follow up Euphoria with this game. This is more like something Taimanin Asagi fans would be into. Man. It actually triggers me
#8 by xero95
2018-10-15 at 00:36
@Shinytentacool

Lmao, don't group us Taimanin Asagi with the fucked up Guro shit. Lilith titles aren't gore fests like this. Check yourself before you wreck yourself.
#9 by warfoki
2018-10-15 at 00:43
Yeah, I like Black Lilith's stuff for the most part, but this is too much for me. I'm kinda baffled why MG picked it. I can't imagine that there's a huge market for a guro-fest like this. But then again, maybe I'm wrong.Last modified on 2018-10-15 at 00:43
#10 by shinytentacool
2018-10-15 at 01:05
@8 Yea fair. I mostly meant from the plot description
#11 by kominarachromer
2018-10-15 at 01:34
#7/#10 The setup is definitely very Taimanin Asagi (one of the sub-writers even wrote for some Lilith titles), but the game's actual tone and ero seems more Black Cyc than Black Lilith. I'd go as far as to say that euphoria is closer to the average Black Lilith game, ero-wise.

As for why they picked this...since euphoria sold so well, I suppose MG wanted another game with both extreme porn and a decent plot, and MB fit the bill. While it is certainly more extreme than euphoria, it should be noted that the score on both EGS and VNDB is also the same, and the writer also wrote several games for light, meaning that he isn't some cheapo nukige writer that Clock Up hired out of the blue. The heavy guro aspect might turn some people off, but it might also attract some; euphoria probably only got as much attention as it did because of the extreme content within it, and people are already hyping up Maggot Baits because of the hardcore H-scenes. It probably would have been better overall to license Fraternite instead, but I think that Maggot Baits will at least do well enough to secure more Clock Up localizations in the future.Last modified on 2018-10-15 at 01:34
#12 by ryanxbr
2018-10-15 at 04:32
#6 I agree with Sakurakoi. People who like sadistic stuff it's diferent than the one's who are masochist. Even if this sound somewhat "hypocritical", that's the way it works (kinda similar to the Netori vs. NTR case).
#13 by sakurakoi
2018-10-15 at 06:37
People who like sadistic stuff it's diferent than the one's who are masochist
and like Sadists are not necessarily Sadists, Masochists are not necessarily Masochists. There are many "genre" and even more fetishes. What's being asked here is simply what kind of work this is, where Immortal Heroines are tortured past death while the Protagonist is male yet apparently not the one who tortures them.

This thread utterly fails to answer this question even though it should be obvious that there is a grand difference between being super sadistic and enjoying the bloody festival of their own making, being super masochistic and enjoying watching the bloody festival which they could not prevent and being super masochistic and enjoying (imagining) being subject of the bloody festival.
#14 by tyrog
2018-10-15 at 09:31
Why do people keep posting crap about this game without actually having played it?

What it is: an action fantasy/chuuni story somewhat reminiscent of Dies Irae. I think Kurashiki Tatsuya is a capable writer, and Maggot Baits is worth playing for the story alone. With that said . . .

Yes, there is a ton of guro in this game. The torture scenes are extremely gruesome. Kurisu, the H-scene writer, has a really sick mind. Most of the female characters are raped, tortured, dismembered, and worse over the course of the game. However, there is a guro filter that can hide the worst parts, and all the torture scenes can be skipped without missing any plot developments.
Only one heroine is a potential romantic interest to the protag: Carol, who is cuter than a baby panda. There are even some sweet vanilla scenes in Maggot Baits. It is a pure love story at heart.

Why did MG pick it up? Maybe because it is actually a good story-driven VN that has something to offer to people with very different tastes. You don't need to be into sadism or masochism to enjoy it, but you do need a strong stomach and an open mind.
#15 by warfoki
2018-10-15 at 10:22
I don't think anybody here claimed that this is poorly written VN. Nor do I claim that you need to be sadistic to enjoy it. In fact I'm into sadomasochism and I can't stand guro. I went through the game's gallery back around when the Japanese version came out with the intention of tagging the VNDB page. I noped the hell outta there pretty fast.

Also, please don't try to claim that this tries to be a pure love story unironically. It's really, REALLY doesn't.

Personally I really can't see myself ever giving this a chance, regardless of the writing quality.Last modified on 2018-10-15 at 13:44
#16 by sakurakoi
2018-10-15 at 10:28
Why do people keep posting crap about this game without actually having played it?
Which people? You have to be more precise~

You don't need to be into sadism or masochism to enjoy it
To borrow the words of a certain Kage-chan, everything can be classified as S or M!

At least this sure applies to Horror and its Voyeurism, whether one wants to see the characters suffer, enjoying that, or wanting to see the characters suffer and enjoy feeling hurt by the sadness, cruelty &c.

Seriously, I hope you do understand that it was just a simple-to-understand comparison of tastes that can apply in the same context but can also put off others due to the extremes.

Maybe because it is actually a good story-driven VN that has something to offer to people with very different tastes.
No one just enjoys a "good story". It's pretty much like being without taste in a different meaning, a boring, uninteresting and indifferent point of view which only evaluates literary devices, quality of the writing, logic&c, which sure is important but without anymore meaningless.

Not to mention, again, with the utter lack of context and details how can one who is asking actually judge if it fits their taste indeed when instead their taste is questioned? One does not want to be in the position of the helpless/powerless, it sure is different if it is avoidable but alas that is not known and keeping that from anyone who is asking (because spoilers) is silly (simply because a good story stays good and worth reading even if spoiled, especially if it is just a few times and even if it is some grand and unexpected twist).

and all the torture scenes can be skipped without missing any plot developments.
oh and what about character development? Seriously, that's why such vague statements are pretty meaningless when it is not even asked for and when one obviously is here for Guro and that it is full of it is already known. What is not is the actual structure with PoV and what is and what is not avoidable through the story and not which silly options. Just because someone has "a strong stomach and an open mind" does not mean that they pay for something that amounts to watching as a helpless male how someone is tortured and read their thoughts.


Next thing we are told that Re:Zero is a good story (oh, we are already)... and I sure did try to watch that but the forced splatter and drama is obviously just bad writing, a typical Nakige as Novel. There is not only plot-armor but of course the opposite which just forces convenient drama rather than convenient solution. Folks tend to forget that, in their pursuit of happiness through unhappiness.

Never trust anybody who asserts something to be a good story, only trust those who can outline and describe a work and its characters (like descriptions should), saying whom it may be good for and whom not, letting those who read conclude themselves. Of course comparing it to some other work is NG, again especially without any actual details but of course, what if somebody did not read it?
#17 by tyrog
2018-10-15 at 10:46
@warfoki: I am also not into guro. I don't get off on watching women being tortured, but I am somewhat thick-skinned, and I enjoyed the story. I understand that it is too extreme for most people. You like Nasu stuff, right? He's also one of my favorite VN writers, and I think that most people who like Tsukihime and Fate will probably like the story of Maggot Baits. Not that you have to force yourself; there is plenty of healthier stuff to read. And I really wasn't being ironic when I said that it is a pure love story. Pretty twisted, I admit, but still . . .
I just wanted to point out that there is more to Maggot Baits than browsing the CG gallery might tell you.
#18 by warfoki
2018-10-15 at 14:28
You like Nasu stuff, right? He's also one of my favorite VN writers, and I think that most people who like Tsukihime and Fate will probably like the story of Maggot Baits.

I very much doubt that. Sure, both FSN and Tsukihime had violence and character deaths. But this is on an entirely different level, where very extreme violence is fetishized and is a core element. And I absolutely despise stories that aim for the shock value through killing off most of the cast or just through brutal violence just for the hell of it. I don't watch / read Song of ice and Fire / Game of Thrones, Attack on Titan, The Walking Dead and I could go on and on. So even if the writing quality is good, it is irrelevant. I'll be the first to admit that George R. R. Martin is an excellent writer (read the first half of Game of Thrones, the first book in the series, before I gave up on it), I still won't ever read his epic, because some it just depresses / pisses me off. And when I look for entertainment, I look something at least cautiously optimistic. I hate bleak, tragic stories where most likeable characters end up dead or worse. I'm depressed enough irl without that shit.

Oh, and on another note, the game has so much hentai content that it cannot fit into one gallery on exhentai. And now you are telling me, that NONE of that is plot relevant and all can be skipped. That basically means that probably over half of the game is "skippable", yet you claim it's a well written, good story. Pick one or the other, because you can't have both.

Edit: before someone would ask how can I like Black Lilith stuff with this attitude, the answer is very simple: Black Lilith with its ahegao faces and near instant corruption is bloody impossible to take seriously. So I don't. The art is up to my alley and it has a lot fetishes I like.Last modified on 2018-10-15 at 14:38
#19 by beliar
2018-10-15 at 15:06
And when I look for entertainment, I look something at least cautiously optimistic. I hate bleak, tragic stories where most likeable characters end up dead or worse.
Dear Warfoki, never read Worm. We like you too much for you to disembowel yourself dishonourably.
#20 by kominarachromer
2018-10-15 at 22:31
#18 Here's a question for you; how can you think that F/SN is a 10/10 VN when it's padded to hell and back with repetitive SoL, poorly written ero, and shitty branching pathways that add nothing to the story? It's the same thing here.Last modified on 2018-10-15 at 22:31
#21 by warfoki
2018-10-15 at 22:44
Poorly written ero made up like, 2-4% of the reading time, and if you read the newer versions, they are not even there. Repetitive SoL? Not that I remember. Like we have some downtime comic relief during the early parts of the routes, but nothing over the top. Branching pathways do add to the story. Most lead to an instant dead end if you choose poorly, but some only has a payout much later. Since without cheating with a flowchart, you're never sure which decision matters in the long run, it adds tension to the story, just like the heaps of bad ends. It gives the reader the feeling that if you fuck up, you're dead, which, again, adds a healthy tension to the entire thing.

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