No Sexual Content Tag, Potential Spoiler

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#1 by meido-san
2018-11-10 at 20:20
Why was this tagged with no sexual content when multiple characters clearly get raped and this is acknowledged by other characters who witnessed it. Sure, there's no cg for it but that doesn't mean its not there.
#2 by kozmo
2018-11-10 at 20:25
here we go...
#3 by sakurakoi
2018-11-10 at 20:39
go we here?
#4 by warfoki
2018-11-10 at 20:42
But, there are sexual content tags. Under heavy spoilers.
#5 by meido-san
2018-11-10 at 21:51
Yes but until yesterday, it was tagged with "No Sexual Content", which is clearly wrong. I mostly made this thread to try and understand why people voted for and continue to vote for that tag while giving a negative vote to the rape tags.
#6 by seniorblitz
2018-11-10 at 22:04
They voted for It because It doesn't appear on-screen so the tag still applies, if There are more explicit descriptions the "Text Only Sex" applies too.
#7 by bobjr2000
2018-11-10 at 22:06
technical the sexual content definition on here that has its own link to sexual content definition has something along lines of even flirting being consider sexual content, so you could tag almost every vn.

My only reasoning is same why tv shows and movie can talk about sex and rape but won't be rated the same as tv and movies that show sex and rape.

talking about sex and seeing sex is usually treated different. Have to ask mods about more specifically how they feel.
#8 by seniorblitz
2018-11-10 at 23:43
Pretty much what #7 described.
#9 by meido-san
2018-11-11 at 00:27
@#6, I wasn't aware of that tag, thanks for mentioning it.

@#7, It's definitely true that merely talking about sexual acts should **not** get a game tagged for sexual content, however, this game has rape scenes with quite vivid descriptions in text.
#10 by thewayfarer
2018-11-11 at 03:49
Can't get a taste to see for myself because...this game costs $35. No way I'm buying it without proper revenue.

I did a little research and the game is 100% no sexual content. I did see one screenshot of a potential "sex scene." Not surprised for an excuse of something randomly executed event is any good for the story; that being a norm in visual novels just for sugarcoating...

But I'm agreeing with #7. If you technically *don't* see a fully-depicted "sex scene" in view, use Text-only Sexual Content.

Now that this looks settled...can I now void my tag votes that were used for neutralizing misapplied tags?
#11 by meido-san
2018-11-11 at 06:29
You can remove your votes by clicking here: link

If you want to see an example of a sex scene in the game, here's a video. Please excuse the quality: (spoiler warning) link . I think it's also worth mentioning that, by the time I reached this scene, I still hadn't made any choices.Last modified on 2018-11-11 at 06:48
#12 by thewayfarer
2018-11-11 at 08:56
#11
You can remove your votes by clicking here:
Um, I knew that. But the former's mistagged votes have yet to be zero'd, too.Last modified on 2018-11-11 at 08:58
#13 by dk382
2018-11-11 at 10:18
@thewayfayer: I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for.

If the tags are already rated 0 or lower, then there's no reason for mods to come in and override votes. It's better to let the voting system do its work instead of having mods intervene every time someone says a tag is wrong. We generally only intervene when there's been some kind of large-scale mistagging that can't be easily overridden by normal means. Cases like this are why we have the tag voting and negative votes to begin with.

The only real discussion to be had here is if "no sexual content" and "text-only sexual content" can coexist. And I'm feeling that no, they can't. Text-only sexual content is still sexual content. And along those same lines, I'm not sure why "lesbian rape" is being downvoted if the text-only sexual content involves rape. Though I will say that only one of the rape tags is necessary. Please do not add redundant tags.Last modified on 2018-11-11 at 10:29
#14 by meido-san
2018-11-11 at 11:21
Sorry about the redundant tag. I'm new to tag editing here and didn't think it through properly. I've now removed my vote from the "rape" tag. (That felt weird to type)
#15 by warfoki
2018-11-11 at 11:56
Text-only sexual content still count. Whatever acts are described but not shown should be tagged all the same as if they were shown. Also, Dk382 is right, no sexual content and text-only sexual content can't coexist in any circumstance I can think of.
#16 by sakurakoi
2018-11-11 at 13:08
Of course, it is not "no visual sexual" content... for that is what text-only sexual content after all is about. From the 5 senses, only 2 can be stimulated i.e hearing and seeing. Or visualizing and having something already visualized. There is no smell, taste or touch. While certainly text is also what one sees, it is quite different to seeing something directly and it is also heard instead (sfx&voice) hence the tag "Text only" where a 3 should mean "only only", 2 "often only" and 1 "sometimes only".

What I now found rather odd is how if what is described is true, where sexual acts are explicitly described, then it would/should not be R-15 if I am not mistaken. Beats me how books are rated but from what I know... Japan would still rate it R-18 if it was a normal novel but perhaps it is not an official rating (unless the art may be R-18). Well, where I am from one can easily buy&borrow books which "accidentally" have sexual themes "elaborated" and tbh I have yet to see a restricted area for books here and depicted anywhere. It's somehow all about depiction, huh?

Though I will say that only one of the rape tags is necessary.
I'd say "it depends", if there is only female homosexual, er I mean lesbian rape*, then there should not be an additional "simple" rape tag. If however in another instance "simple" rape is depicted, then it should be there similar to how more specialized rape tags should be if they are present (heck, even when gang rape and fh rape is in the same instance one can not just choose one over the other).

Parent tags should not be used if only their child tag(s) apply, in return if no child tag can apply, the parent tag should be used. This in theory makes parent tags like Netorare not apply ever since by design type A, B and C should cover all general cases. It appears to merely be used because people can not tell or are "weird" (to not say stupid).

*sorry, I confused it with Male Homosexual NTR, tehe~
#17 by thewayfarer
2018-11-11 at 17:07
...I'm gonna need to work on my choice of words.

What I meant is cancel my tag vote once the former does the same because mine were used to neutralize potentially mistagged ones. One can think so highly when they can ascertain the setting.

Everything looks in order. What to use for indication of "sex scenes" and I can finally fix my tags.

One thing I'd like to say, however, it's confusing since the devs tailored this visual novel "all-ages" despite depiction of "off-screen sex". Because, if people are interested finding "all-ages" visual novels, the first thing they'd search is look up No Sexual Content. It's better to think retrospectively about "common consumers" and make accessibility easier for those who yet to know how to narrow down searches.

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