Tone Work's 4th project: Tsukikana

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#26 by stormwolf
2018-12-26 at 17:39
#25 chasing after her is ok in general. Doesn't have to be virgin to deserve being chased after. Problem is if the girl is not a virgin and treats MC as just another 1 time lay, and the MC desperately chasing after her. I'd just think "WTF! Screw her"
#27 by bobjr2000
2018-12-27 at 02:53
Has passage of time tag and drama. So I am guessing something bad happens to girl in past which helps make her slutty for some reason. She sleeps with MC once and then ignores all romantic advances. Some random coping mechanism. He magically solves her past problems one way or another she stops sleeping around and falls in love.

If I am close to money probably skipping route.
#28 by veshurik
2018-12-27 at 09:28
How long will be that game? 5Mb of text again? Ahaha... So, I saw some image file from devs... link
#29 by worluvus
2018-12-27 at 14:51
Don't care for Uguisu/Kikari but I'm ready for another round of Toneworks.
#30 by shukumeiteki1
2018-12-31 at 06:50
Seems like they want to try new things and will add a bit of SF and fantasy elements to the plot... which would ruin the whole point of tone's work so far.
There are so many companies doing sf or fantasy settings, this is or was one of the very few ones that was true to the "realism" theme, specially on giniro haruka. That's why this company is so polarizing, if you dont like SoL or pure love stories with no much else going on you would hate these type of games but there is a public that loves it too and they were aiming at them... until now.
Even the art is fucked up now, look at Tsukigahora Kirari, her tits are the size of the sun and dressed like a slut, she is a slut, she looks like a random nukige character...
Very disappointed.

Source: link (read from the bottom xD )Last modified on 2018-12-31 at 07:05
#31 by kratoscar2008
2019-01-05 at 00:18
>Even the art is fucked up now, look at Tsukigahora Kirari, her tits are the size of the sun and dressed like a slut, she is a slut, she looks like a random nukige character...
Funny that you say that when you can find a lot of Tone Work characters lookalikes in Frill nukiges. So yeah Tone Work charactes always looked like Nukige characters.
#32 by shukumeiteki1
2019-01-05 at 02:18
>Funny that you say that when you can find a lot of Tone Work characters lookalikes in Frill nukiges. So yeah Tone Work charactes always looked like Nukige characters.

Show me 1 character aside Kirari in any tone work's where a girl is exposing her tits in her normal clothes like a slut and is also literally a slut too(I would let you include side characters too.)

They always had some similarities (obviously because of the same artist) but the line between using a nukige character an a normal one has been blurred so much that you can't see the difference anymore, add the sci fi/fantasy elements and the going back in time cliched shit and you just stripped out from this company the very few things that made it unique.
Add some cheap dramatic love triangle and you have a good kusoge on your hands. (or kamige depending who you ask lol)
Then again it seems that this is what everyone likes and want so what do I know...
#33 by algester
2019-01-08 at 14:36
there are nukige writers for a change of pace
Kirari and Kiriko are headed by a nukige writer... not the best <_<

first take Touka's route will be the most "normally developed" route considering my history with tone-work's library of 1 game... well 2 but I didnt play Marika's route in Hoshi-Ori Yume Mirai draggy as F but EHHH part of the course in a tone-works title after all its a HIGH tier chara-ge, I did play Misa's route but that was ehh so so I personally liked Rikka's but Bethly's route from Gin'iro Haruka was good so I'm basing the development from there if the writer improved or not.

as for Rein and Kanna's route I dunno Shiraya Tatsuki the guy who will head their routes seems to be sticking to a formula of a "genius but otherwise handicapped" in his stories, Rikka and Mizuha's routes in particular have some similaritiesLast modified on 2019-01-08 at 14:40
#34 by kominarachromer
2019-01-08 at 17:06
#32 um...If a woman showing moderate cleavage is really that offensive to you, I think you might have some serious problems. I get that the whole moege fanbase hasn't really caught on to the concept of sexual liberation yet, but I didn't know that extended to their fucking clothes.

#33 Again, nothing new. Shiraya Tatsuki and Okano Touya have been working with TW since Hatsukoi, and they're both nukige writers.
#35 by shukumeiteki1
2019-01-08 at 18:34
@34
So a woman being slut is a sign of progress in humanity and society for you... right...ok let's leave this topic here.

And did I ever say that I found offensive that she was showing her cleavage and only that? No, I did not.
The game aside from that, portrays her as a slut and she dresses like one which doesn't help a bit so yeah, I find THAT offensive. Her route is being written by Ban'ya which is another really bad sign, all his recent work are extremely bad and nonsensical (my god, Teakamamire no Danshi)
Okano Touya while he does write nukige is not his main thing, he even writes all age so saying that he is a nukige writers is a fallacy(To be extra clear about what I'm saying, he is a writer that happens to write nukige stuff too.)
Shiraya Tatsuki on the other hand, I could agree with your statement but it's actually too soon to say that since he is relative new and hasn't write many things so far but so far you are right and he is the only writer that fits with your description, well aside from ban'ya now which he clearly is one and he mostly writes hard stuff too not just regular nukige.Last modified on 2019-01-08 at 18:37
#36 by kominarachromer
2019-01-08 at 20:16
#35 if the clothes are irrelevant to your argument, then why bring them up?
At any rate, I really don't want to argue this point when we still know practically nothing about the game. Once I've actually played it, I'm perfectly willing to debate the finer points of the characters.

If you aren't going to consider Touya a nukige writer, I don't think you can really consider Banya one either. If you don't count the Dieselmine titles, probably only about half of his output is "true" nukige, and they aren't really what he's known for (with the exception of Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo ~Sanshimai to no Dokidoki Kyoudou Seikatsu~).
#37 by shukumeiteki1
2019-01-08 at 21:03
#36
I brought them to the argument along side with her being a slut, not alone but as a whole, not just her clothes.
It would have bother me a bit but the combination of her clothes with her traits are what I really dislike. My quote:" her tits are the size of the sun and dressed like a slut, she is a slut." I don't like her tits being huge but those alone don't bother me much, most of tone work's character have huge tits. My main issue is she being a slut, the rest doesn't help her case but wouldn't have been much of an issue otherwise. Then again we don't actually know much about the game or her so let's wait and see how everything turns out.

I think even if he is not a "nukige" writer or you don't consider him one ben'ya is even worse (at least for this type of story) because he writes really hard stuff with rape being always the main topic which doesn't have anything to do with tone work's...
I do hope I'm wrong about this but I have never ever read anything that he writes that is related to rape written in a serious or believable matter, fraternite was close with mio's story at the very very beginning but then everything goes to hell, it's beyond bad and ridiculous.
Then again discussing this now is kinda pointless, let's continue once we have the game in our hands and actually know how wrong I was or you were.
#38 by kratoscar2008
2019-01-09 at 02:04
#32
My point is that what someone wears is irrelevant to set as some kind of reference to what makes a nukige character when girls wearing school outfits are as much nukiges as girls who wear cleavage. You say you like the realism of TW games, so are you sugesting that women wearing provocative clothes is not realistic? Well thats a little far fetched dont you think?

Also she being an slut is part of realism too, thats why you had the protagonist mom ditching her husband for her career in Ginhiro, a pure love story game no less. Realism is a double edged sword.
#39 by shukumeiteki1
2019-01-09 at 04:09
#38
You are taking things out of context and separating what I said, I said that everything as a whole makes me dislike her (specially she being a slut) maybe it works out in the end. I will probably give a try to her route anyway just to see what they have done, though I'm expecting nothing, at least nothing good.
But I didn't say she being a whore is not realistic or anything like that.
She dresses and act like a slut, that's what I gather with the -little- information we have so far, I just pointed that out and said that I wasn't fond of it and that also everything points out to her looking like a nukige character, nothing more.

Also when I talked about "realism" I was referring at them not using magic or sci-fi elements in their previous works and now they are doing it, and take that word with a grain of salt here, as much "realism" as possible in a VN...Last modified on 2019-01-09 at 04:16
#40 by worluvus
2019-01-09 at 11:00
Who cares about all of that shit just wait for it to come out.
link
livestream with more info soonish
edit: by soon I mean right now oops
Alright they just talked about their interview in the magazine that came out in comiket 95 (linked earlier) and showed a promo video with narration from one of the heroines.
No release date still besides 2019. Next stream will be on the 23rdLast modified on 2019-01-09 at 11:41
#41 by kratoscar2008
2019-01-10 at 02:02
#39
And again she wearing that revealing outfit barely qualifies as "nukige" character when schoolgirls are oftem the biggest archetype for your average curren setting nukige.

Not to mention that unlike the previous games she is not an schoolgirl and thus she wearing those kind of clothes is not really that farfetched and the fact that she is an heroine makes her a much more fresh character to explore which is honestly something we should give TW more credit for. Plus TW heroines engage in very fetishistic H-scenes compared to your average moege/charage so its not like TW isnt used to more out of the norm situations.
#42 by shukumeiteki1
2019-01-10 at 19:30
#41
If you ignore what I said and only take what is convenient to you just to make your point there is no reason to continue with this.
Even if we omit the facts that state that she is and behaves like a slut and enjoys being one "Selfish and uninhibited" and "never sleep with the same man twice." even leaving that aside, if we focus only on her clothing. Based on how VNs generally work we can easily make her fit in any random nukige because of her looks (not saying she actually is a nukige character but has all the traits to easily be one or be confused for one)

Hard to talk about actual ero scenes (in vns in general) since they are mostly there for fan service, most of the time even at the expenses of ruining the traits of the characters themselves or destroying everything that was built upon a particular ero scene.
I've seen companies that ported all ages console games to pc adding bestiality scenes or hard BDSM just for fun or to pander the audience (for example ports made by Airyu like link link )
She not being a highschool girl (which she is going to be for sure knowing how TW vns work and knowing that he can go back in time...) has nothing to do with it, TW games work differently, for example in giniro you play as a child, teenager and adult too, each one has its own arc that last same time/many hours as the other.
#43 by kratoscar2008
2019-01-10 at 23:20
And you still try to ignore my point that HER DESIGN IS NOT STRICTLY NUKIGE SINCE MOST NUKIGE HEROINES OUTSIDE OF FANTASY SETTINGS ARE SCHOOLGIRLS, i dont think her personality sounds nukige since contrary to popular belief most nukige heroines are virgins outside of Gyaru heroines. Her whole personality is not indicative of nukige character at all so i think TWs will work it in a meaningful way, besides she according to the bio was not MC's classmate so she is quite unique heroine as the MC will apparently engage with her with an age gap regardless of wether he time travels or not.
But yeah i will stop there as there is no point in discussing this further.
#44 by stormwolf
2019-01-11 at 01:07
Get a room you two. Or get out and grow up enough to accept people having different opinions about things before returning.
#45 by stormwolf
2019-01-11 at 12:56
But honestly though, this entire vn makes it sound like he really doesn't have good chemistry with any girl he chooses, since he'll have to send a message to the past.
#46 by erohatasensei
2019-01-11 at 16:25
How the hell can you guys not like sluts in eroge? Read more gyaru doujin and acquire some taste you delusional peasants.
#47 by bobjr2000
2019-01-11 at 17:43
Sloppy seconds might be your personal turn on not me. Its like hooker with fake hair,tits and tan that is gross to me but a lot of people like that look. Also a difference between a slut and some one having a healthy sex drive.
#48 by kratoscar2008
2019-01-11 at 22:00
I only like Gyaru if its an story where some old dude settles with her. I love really perverted girls who act slutty towards the MC, so Gyarus are usually unnecessary in my eroge.Last modified on 2019-01-11 at 22:04
#49 by praxis
2019-01-15 at 03:16
I don't think the 'slut' girl is real slut who switching boyfriends everyday. Slut who thinking only about sex. Maybe she loves sex just to release stress.
And "never sleep with the same man twice." is like defense to not get taken advantage by men? Or she just simply avoiding relationships or afraid of attachment.
I don't know. Let's just wait for the release..

Well, I just hope the MC is not bland and conveniently written just to serve the heroines.
(sorry bad english.)

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