About the Shin Koihime † Musou series...

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#1 by batoo
2018-12-07 at 21:57
These games interest me but I'm afraid they're all very similar...

I wanted to know if it was the case or what differentiates them from the story (this part hidden by [ spoiler ]) and - in case there are only additional routes to each new version - which one to choose (which one is the most complete)?
#2 by bobjr2000
2018-12-08 at 01:16
They are different stories but still same. I guess I would compare it to like harry potter books or maybe rance games (I haven't played rance other than sengoku but imagine rance is usually being rance)
#3 by kominara
2018-12-08 at 01:25
You might want to add this topic to the games' discussion board.

#2 I haven't played much Koihime Musou (seems like a massive time sink), but judging by the descriptions, I assume you're horribly misinformed as to what both Rance or Harry Potter are like.
#4 by then00bavenger
2018-12-08 at 02:35
The original Koihime Musou set the base of "Japanese dude dimension-slips into Three Kingdoms with cute girls" which is what they all share in common. The actual story of the original Koihime Musou is technically different from future games.

Shin Koihime Musou is basically a remake with added characters and separate routes for each faction, each with a different story. All 3 stories are different from the original Koihime Musou but the concept is the same.

That was further remade into Shin Koihime Musou Kakumei which basically takes the 3 routes from the original Shin Koihime Musou and jazzes them up a bit and adds more characters and updates the art. The base story is a little different but the changes are not as significant as they were going from Koihime Musou to Shin Koihime Musou and the old character events are reused almost completely as is.

Basically, Kakumei makes the first Shin Koihime Musou mostly obsolete(though you could argue the price of buying all 3 as separate games isn't worth it) and the original Koihime is different enough to not be a waste of time but unless you're really interested in the series, you can skip it. For what it's worth, I do think that the original Koihime actually does what is essentially the "Shu route" better than Shin does, but the other 2 routes that Shin offers makes it the better choice by a good margin.

The other 2 games(link and link) are fandisks with extra little stories. You play them if you really liked the characters. Though the latter does serve as a 'sneak preview' of sorts of the added Kakumei characters.

tl;dr if money isn't an issue, just go with Kakumei(though Shu isn't out yet). If money is an issue, I guess you can settle for the first Shin Koihime Musou. If you really like it for some reason, you can delve into more.

While I'm at it, I'd like to throw out that imo Sengoku Koihime is actually significantly better than any of them which might be surprising since I know at first glance you'd be thinking "Ugh some Koihime spin-off cash-in" but I found it to be a legitimately pretty good VN.Last modified on 2018-12-08 at 03:14
#5 by bobjr2000
2018-12-08 at 06:14
you mean harry doesn't go to school every book and do magic except spoiler last book. If rance isn't killing being hero and having sex what is he doing in his stories? Over simplification on my part but ideas are still the same.Last modified on 2018-12-08 at 17:11
#6 by kiru
2018-12-08 at 09:04
Sengoku Koihime is better? Never going to touch this then. That game had so low tier moege writing, it really wasn't funny anymore. You REALLY have to like your harem to enjoy this, I feel. Or you have to have stamina, because it's one of those games that "get better" after 40 hours. It's long enough for that.
#7 by ganchan
2018-12-08 at 11:19
@5 The difference is that harry potter and rance each book follows a progression line, where (theoretically) you have to read the previous one to understand what's going on. From what I understand from @4 each instalment doesn't have any relation story-wise, is more a remake than something with story continuity.
#8 by then00bavenger
2018-12-08 at 15:36
I actually thought the way the harem worked was Sengoku Koihime's main strength. It was refreshing not reading a "haha girl gets mad for stupid reason and/or hits main character haha" harem for once. A harem focused story that's not based on sex where this doesn't happen more than like a single time within dozens of hours and everyone is chill was almost unheard of to me until that game lol. But no, it doesn't get particularly better after 40 hoursLast modified on 2018-12-08 at 16:01
#9 by batoo
2018-12-11 at 16:59
We are approaching Christmas so I'm a little short of money for now x)
I think I'll take Koihime † Musou ~Doki ☆ Otome Darake no Sangokushi Engi~ first (r4188 to be precise). If I find the story great I would look to buy r43845 when it will be available. Then if I become a fan, I would ruin myself to buy everything XD
#10 by eltonan
2018-12-12 at 06:05
Btw does anyone know why MangaGamer more or less lost interest in localising this series? Considering how this series is one of those super well received (in Japan) "AAA" visual novel series which got milked for a ton of sequels and spinoffs, it's surprising they stopped after the first title.Last modified on 2018-12-12 at 06:05
#11 by loctar87
2018-12-12 at 06:40
@10 Dunno. But they certainly had trouble with licencing the first time around. They actually released the first game without voice acting, citing costs and licencing issues, requiring 2000 sales of the game before voice acting would be added. They did reach those sales and it was added, but it wasn't their finest moment. Not really a good policy to release half a game until the game proves popular. If the other games have similar issues maybe it just wasn't worth it.


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