|#26 by dk382⭐|
2019-03-31 at 11:41
|< report >@25 I'm just a database mod. I have no ability to invalidate votes, nor do I have any more say on the matter than the next user. I'll note that yorhel tends to only invalidate votes when there's absolute proof of wrongdoing. Wrongdoing simply being "obvious" is not enough to prompt action. |
edit: Not that I want to speak for yorhel or anything. Just saying, there's been cases like this in the past where no action has been taken.Last modified on 2019-03-31 at 11:48
|#27 by beliar|
2019-03-31 at 12:08
|< report >Yorhel expressed quite clearly what kind of voting he considers invalid, that being votes on unreleased games and votes from duplicate accounts.|
And while I have recently received an ability to invalidate users' votes, I surely will not be going against Yorhel's stance. Not the least, because I agree with his stance. If we start to invalidate the votes we consider "wrong", where do we even stop and how we objectively decide on such a matter. That way the madness lies.
On the other hand, the fact that the user in question had an account for 5 years and only recently started downvoting a heap of VNs is surely suspicious. Maybe Yorhel can check if the account had been accessed from a vary different IP, just to discount the hacking argument...
|#28 by kiru|
2019-03-31 at 12:33
|< report >There's always room to abuse if you want to, so it's hard to draw a line. But not attempting anything isn't necessarily good either. There's no need to outright not count votes, you could scale them, although not too easily as you can't just scale to an average, you'd need to consider extremes as well. That said, it's a lot of work, that is only somewhat useful. Still, here is a thought.|
While for games with a ton of votes, this extreme rating behavior of a few individuals doesn't matter, it DOES matter for the lesser known JP only games. Very much so. Unlike some people here think, the ratings vndb gets out of them is actually fairly accurate a surprising amount of times, provided you don't look at the bayesian rating. (still missing a search function for the other one though, accepting "min amount of votes" as a parameter). Trolls hurt that. A lot. And even if it's not a troll, misunderstanding the rating system that much hurts as well. Regardless of if it's 10 spam or 1 spam.
If vndb finds a way to deal with that, it could be very useful for the lesser known games, provided there's obviously going to be a search function for that as well. But as long as that isn't existing, I guess you could just all consider it as not affecting much of anything. Sure, the normal rating gets significantly affected, but given how you can't search or sort for it, it's currently not interesting. Might be worth keeping in mind though, in case such a searching/sorting function ever gets added.Last modified on 2019-03-31 at 12:39
|#29 by yorhel|
2019-03-31 at 13:27
|< report >|
Maybe Yorhel can check if the account had been accessed from a vary different IP, just to discount the hacking argument...I don't keep enough IP addresses to do that kind of investigation. But I don't see any other signs that the account has been breached, whatever that's worth.
And rather than speculating, why don't we ask them directly?
@rodzynek: So, what's up with your recent votes?
|#30 by ffthewinner|
2019-03-31 at 16:37
|< report >it is worth noting that he started voting 10s and 9s instead of 1s now.|
@#20 lol no.if you are using a traditional scale (5 being average) then rating 1s and 2s to the title that deserve it is fully valid,whether you completed them or only played a substantial amount of them. same goes for 9s and 10s,although you will ofcourse complete those because you loved them.Last modified on 2019-03-31 at 16:38
|#31 by rodzynek|
2019-03-31 at 17:05
|< report >i only vote with my personal opinion , nothing else|
|#32 by ramaladni|
2019-03-31 at 17:19
|< report >Anidb deals with this issue by having an average rating which is the sum of all votes divided by the number of users, and a weighted average that takes into account that different people use different voting scales.|
different people use different voting scales. some people only vote 1/10. some people use 5-10 etc. lots of people really have a hard time with the idea that 5.5 is average and not 7
the point is we all have a different understanding how to use the scale. the "rating" is a magic value that tries to work around that issue and provide values which are general saner.
Read more at link
It'd be interesting to see if this could be implemented in some form, along with other...features.Last modified on 2019-03-31 at 17:38
|#33 by yorhel|
2019-03-31 at 17:27
|< report >@rodzynek: That's all good. But what we are all wondering about is what you base your opinions on. With so many votes, it sounds unlikely that you've played all those VNs.|
|#34 by rodzynek|
2019-03-31 at 17:31
|< report >I remove my votes then problem solved, sorry for problem|
|#35 by ffthewinner|
2019-03-31 at 20:18
|< report >@rodzynek: it isnt a problem at all if you actually played them. it just seemed curious. if you say that you played them then that isnt a problem, we certainly wont ask someone to remove his legit opinion on titles :).Last modified on 2019-03-31 at 20:20|
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