SJW Sexual VN's?
|#1 by luther|
2019-04-02 at 18:18
|The general perception of VN's is that they favor catering to the "degenerates." Are there VN's that have sexual content that tries to include some sort of "social justice" message into their content? link is one of the recent ones that pop into my head.|
|#2 by cecilyh|
2019-04-02 at 18:57
|ugh, did you have to call it 'sjw', that's automatically skewing the conversation in a particular direction.|
there are MANY, MANY vns that have some sort of politics that might be considered progressive right alongside things that might be considered otherwise. it's not like vns are nothing but loli pantyshots.
however, trying to pick out any game to hold up as a beacon of virtue is a losing prospect because it is literally impossible for anything to ever be 100% perfect. even if it were 100% perfect today, tomorrow we might come to a different understanding of what perfect is and it might then be deeply flawed.
the self-same japanese eroge can contain the message "gay men should have the right to get married" and "all lesbians just need a good deep-dicking" (points if you guess what game i mean, double points if there's more than one that meets the mark)
lots of bishoujo games push the message of women being intelligent and competent and perfectly capable of serving many roles beyond wife and OL... sometimes at the same time as showing them falling all over themselves to get access to dick.
some games talk about poverty and inequality, some games talk about religion...
but by starting talking about SJWs you confuse things because many people so strongly associate that with "ban porn" that they have no idea what else is involved in social justice.
|#3 by danteas|
2019-04-02 at 20:16
|which vn is the "all lesbians just need a good deep-dicking" one. looks like my kind of thingLast modified on 2019-04-02 at 20:16|
|#4 by xero95|
2019-04-02 at 20:29
|Fucking lmao, what the hell is this?|
Give me the Orcs need love visual novels please, can't have all those female heroines squealing for their pathetic human males.
|#5 by pabloc|
2019-04-02 at 20:33
|SJW sex-scenes? Debutopia|
Sorry, I couldn't resist. XD
But hey, """body positivity""" counts as SJW thingy, so I guess it fits, hm?
You really should have worded this question differently. In the current year the term "social justice" is already corrupted beyond recognition, so it pretty much stands for racism, misandry, extreme intolerance and general insanity.
Japan values tradition far more than most Western countries, so stuff that could be considered "progressive" by Western standards will be very rare. Well, there are stories that deal with politics, discrimination and such, but finding progressive themes in sex scenes of all places? That's going to be tough.
From the stuff I have read I can recall only one VN that actually tackled some progressive topics during sex-scenes, namely transgender and transsexual themes. But even though it treated those relatively seriously (as opposed to the usual fetish-only stuff), it dived much deeper into insanity, so things tended to quickly end up in the guro territory there. I'm talking about Dasaku, but don't bother checking it out, it's definitely for degenerates. :P
|#6 by beliar|
2019-04-02 at 20:45
but don't bother checking it out, it's definitely for degenerates.Pabloc... did you just wave a red cloth in front of a site full of figurative bulls?
|#7 by cecilyh|
2019-04-02 at 20:46
|honestly if you can't find themes that someone, somewhere would consider progressive or socially aware in most story-based VNs you're not paying attention|
probably less of them in orc rape nukiges though lol
|#8 by wakaranai|
2019-04-02 at 21:04
|in certain political circles term "degeneracy" means any sexual activity outside of traditional heterosexual relationship, including porn and promiscuity. so basically any VN with explicit sexual content is "degenerate" by definition, and even more so if it has "social justice" themes in it.|
|#9 by eacil|
2019-04-02 at 21:32
|Beliar, I don't understand, what's the problem with Pabloc making compliments?|
|#10 by beliar|
2019-04-02 at 22:15
|Erm.. no problem. I was making a joke, but maybe I didn't express myself right. I was pointing to the reverse psychology statement "don't bother checking it out". Saying a phrase like that is basically an invitation for everyone and their dog to "check it out". :-P Just like waving a red cloth is an invitation for a bull to attack.|
|#11 by iisderp|
2019-04-02 at 22:46
|"SJW Sexual VN" Why would anyone want VN's about pink haired man hating lesbian feminazis?|
|#12 by minah|
2019-04-02 at 22:47
|This is not a friendly place to ask that kind of question, lol, but I'll answer it seriously and hopefully someone else will, too.|
Cute Demon Crashers! is the obvious example; it focuses on sex positivity and affirmative consent.
Hardcoded is about trans women having sex with each other and explores issues of gender/genital dysphoria.
|#13 by eacil|
2019-04-03 at 00:22
|@Beliar: my bad, when I read you, I forgot OP was the one using trollbaiting formulation in the first place.|
To not make another off beam post I scanned my whole list and... I found literally _nothing_.
I guess I can't stop making useless posts. :/
It's more of an OELVN thing anyway but I am curious to know what's so progressive in Kin'iro Loveriche because maybe just having bisexual sex or rubbing newhalf's dicks is enough to count? But none of those (talking about non-OELVN), and certainly not Debutopia by super-fetishized brand Valkyria, have any self-conscious message. They are just pandering to specific fetishes and something like otokonoko VN are well-known for lacking any social awareness even though the subject should be suitable for such scenarios. Instead they write retarded plots and I bet you the new Josou Jinja is no exception.
|#14 by freshift|
2019-04-03 at 04:49
|The recent fandisk would sorely disappoint the player if the main game's "social justice" contents were what attracted them to the title. |
'Progressive' elements are more likely to be found in less-mainstream, niche brands. Such as, say, the games from Innocent Grey, in a sense that they tries to reflect the 'past' Japan's oppressive social mood and depressive public atmosphere though their Ero-gro style.
|#15 by kratoscar2008|
2019-04-03 at 05:27
|Youkuso Sukebe Elf when it comes to the racism and disdain towards Dark Elves. You can fix that by doing the routes that makes both bands come together like in Delva's, Evelyn's, Misery's or Harem routes.|
I think jutaijima has that with the red haired delinquent.
the appeal would be to make them straight and become your obedient sex slave. Seems like the type of character fitting for a mindbreak rape Nukige.
|#16 by dk382|
2019-04-03 at 08:48
|Considering I've seen people talk about a segments of Kin'iro Loveriche's fandisc that explicitly calls out progressive culture (the trend of having more diverse casts among other things), I find it hard to believe it could be considered a progressive game. Then again, I lacked context and Japan can be really inconsistent about this stuff. For example, Yuzusoft expressed progressive ideas in Dracu-Riot! with regards to immigration/migration, traditional vs modern values, multiculturalism, and oppression of minorities, but they also still have the cliched gay panic scenes and regressive views on gender roles (variable, probably depending on the writer).|
|#17 by kiru|
2019-04-03 at 10:25
|Kin'iro Loveriche -Golden Time- makes fun of it if anything else. It basically mentions lgtb all the time, and while it gets annoying in the game already, it's way worse in the real world. And that was its intention.|
That said, the fandisc is somewhat of a parody anyway, calling itself out (would a game full of blondes even be popular?), breaking the fourth wall and so on. In a way, you could also call some of its content similar to how cabaret looks at stuff.
I don't think anyone says anything about the basic idea of lgtb, that same-sex love and marriage and rights should be working the same as when it's not the same sex. The problem is, how some people just really overdo it. When a movement like that starts to try and make it MANDATORY for diversity and the likes to exist everywhere, it's just dumb. That cuts into freedom of speech, artistic freedom and just the ability of a story a writer wants to tell. So that especially writers are looking at the thing quite skeptically is to be expected. I at least don't want companies to add gay possibilities just because some people screaming for "equality". I want writers to add it if they like it. And you need to attack the problem there.
It's the same thing with female vs male rights. People try to enforce female rights and force quotas for a certain amount of females in high positions of companies and the likes. That's not solving anything. You need to solve the issue for why males even dominate the higher positions there and don't want females around. But that's hard. I know. It's hard. But if you don't look at the root of the problem, nothing will ever get solved.Last modified on 2019-04-03 at 10:28
|#18 by sakurakoi|
2019-04-03 at 10:27
Give me the Orcs need love visual novels please, can't have all those female heroines squealing for their pathetic human males.I've got you covered! Hentai Elf Shimai to Majime Orc
Seriously, what is SJW? Claiming everything that is supposed to be good yet being hypocritical and denying that anything else has a merit, is worth considering &c.
Obviously VNs are not just trying to be (deliberately) bad but the sex will always be called evil if it does not fit precisely the very criteria of "wholesome SJW sex"... which can quite vary though ultimately is no different from female domination without reversal.
|#19 by dk382|
2019-04-03 at 11:29
Obviously VNs are not just trying to be (deliberately) bad but the sex will always be called evil if it does not fit precisely the very criteria of "wholesome SJW sex"... which can quite vary though ultimately is no different from female domination without reversal.This is always a funny misconception to me. You have no idea how many "SJWs" I know who have non-vanilla kinks and aren't even shy about it.
|#20 by being|
2019-04-03 at 12:24
|^ ya I know SJWs are hypocrites|
|#21 by sakurakoi|
2019-04-03 at 12:46
This is always a funny misconception to me. You have no idea how many "SJWs" I know who have non-vanilla kinks and aren't even shy about it.You missed the sentence above it. SJWs are a diverse bunch of hypocrites who indeed gladly claim something as good when it is... not really and the general notion of female domination (in power even when submissive) is still twisted into it.
It's not like they are a homogeneous group (since it is not a label they made in the first place) but everyone fights the fight they want to fight, under the accepted umbrella of "we left, we are right, right is wrong, center too". Basically most sub-groups(individuals follow a non-aggression treaty and are encouraged to help each other to also get help in return, of course the more "non-vanilla" the agenda, the less come to aid.
Oh yeah, I am very well aware how many SJWs display their fetishes and push them "forward" and it is one of the reasons why they are hypocrites or rather how the term came to be, before some fools "appropriated" it. Of course removing the hypocrite part.
But again, all those fetishes are twisted into something good or conforming "social justice" ideals and have the males as the one to suck it up (twisting themselves even), whether they should be into BBW, getting cucked, into furry/never mind even the oddest of interests (including baby-play, the non-sexual kind) or just be hopelessly "romantic", even when they want to duck minors "it's love!".
|#22 by pabloc|
2019-04-03 at 14:39
Pabloc... did you just wave a red cloth in front of a site full of figurative bulls?Nah, I'd never try to trick anyone into checking out a guro VN. I'm not evil or anything. >:D
You need to solve the issue for why males even dominate the higher positions there and don't want females around.When you're trying to solve that "issue", you have already failed. The correct question is: why some men are insane enough to even bother with holding those higher positions? The common SJW misconception is that high position = sitting in a chair, ordering people around, smoking cigars and counting money.
It doesn't work that way in any type of meritocracy, obviously. In a healthy structure of power, reaching and holding a top position requires insane amounts of hard work (unethical, non-meritocratic practices only work short-term, unless the whole system is thoroughly corrupted, like it tends to happen in socialism or communism... which are favorite systems of many SJWs). There's competition that will exploit every mistake you make to take out your company/party/whatever, and you have a few ambitious subordinates itching to replace you as soon as you fail at anything. Yeah, you earn a lot of money, but only your family (that you see once a week at best) gets to use it, since you're working 24/7. Oh, and you don't get to retire, because you die of a heart attack. Dream job indeed.
Also, when anyone suggests quotas for anything, I'd start with work-related deaths. Until we reach 50:50 male : female ratio there (as opposed to >90% male fatalities), you don't even get to talk about representation among CEOs, gender pay gap or whatnot. :P
Going back to the topic - oh yeah, I totally forgot that OELVNs exist! XD That's definitely the best place to look for SJW sex scenes, with trigger warnings, affirmative consent and all that stuff. I remember that one - Dead Wishes even had pronoun options for the protagonist. It doesn't seem to have explicit sexual content though.
|#23 by minah|
2019-04-03 at 14:54
|^ Boyfriend to Death is probably a better example along those lines -- it's a hardcore fetish/guro game with a very specific chart of the various content/trigger warnings in each route.|
|#24 by pabloc|
2019-04-03 at 15:27
|^ Holy crap, trigger warnings take up more space on the main page than synopsis and character descriptions. And the sequel even has super-detailed "extra warnings" listed below the main chart! Thanks, this totally made my day. XD|
|#25 by drjones|
2019-04-03 at 16:45
|Back then there was a OELVN tag you could use to find/filter out the cancer, but aspies on moderation forced its removal.|
The best you can do now is find/filter all VNs made in renpy and flash.
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