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#26 by justinizhere
2011-02-28 at 19:32
< report >yeah untill i see some voice action i refuse to touch it as if i do...i know il finish it in full before voices come out xD
#27 by lulalala
2011-03-01 at 00:55
< report >Apparently the voice licence is owned by the seiyuu company. The fee for using it will double the total cost, so they have to make sure the sale number is reached to prevent a loss.
#28 by loctar87
2011-03-01 at 02:20
< report >Bought. I've come around to thinking I have an obligation to start buying more of these things, since I can now. I don't have the "penniless student" excuse anymore. I have reformed! (partially)

For all the problems Mangagamer may have, they have translated games that I would never have had the opportunity to play otherwise, being the lowly English speaker that I am. They obviously won't survive without the support of people like me, seeing as how 2000 copies is like some kind of unreachable goal they barely dare hope to reach.

Anyway, the game may not be worth playing if it doesn't have voices, but I have faith that a voice patch will appear. Either the English VN community will come through for them, and we will get an official voice patch, or they won't, and we will get an unofficial voice patch.
#29 by akirarinkitori
2011-03-01 at 02:36
< report >Sengoku Rance is still an awesome strategy game without voice
I bought this game, btw but still waiting until the voice patch came out to play it fully
#30 by justinizhere
2011-03-01 at 07:43
< report >yeah i have it, but im not reading it untill i get voices, i can wait a few days longer for the full package.
#31 by pear
2011-03-01 at 11:15
< report >Bought. The fan made voice patch is being made anyway.
#32 by cracklings
2011-03-01 at 15:44
< report >@saberger

I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that this game is a ripoff of sengoku rance ,but I'm pretty sure you're wrong. First off the gameplay is completely different. Sengoku Rance leans more towards the rpg side while Koihime leans towards the strategy side. I mean are you basing this on the fact that both sides have troop numbers? zzzz omfg what a ripoff.

And the story? Are you saying koihime is a ripoff of sengoku rance cause they both take place during the sengoku period? Why not say all the other animes and video games are ripoffs too then.

But I guess in the end looking at only 9 screenshots and not playing the trial is a valid reason for calling this a ripoff of sengoku rance.
#33 by saberger
2011-03-01 at 15:55
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I mean are you basing this on the fact that both sides have troop numbers?

OMGFG [/joke]....Who said that?

Sengoku Rance leans more towards the rpg side while Koihime leans towards the strategy side

Rance leans more towards RPG? Play some RPG games to see the differences. And, no, Rance is still in the realm of Strategy (Tactical is better in this situation, but well, I try not to nitpick), but I admit, from the Screenshots, Kohime seems to have more Strategy elements than Rance.

Are you saying koihime is a ripoff of sengoku rance cause they both take place during the sengoku period?

Go learn history. Kohime doesn't take place in Sengoku Period. Kohime is in Three Kingdom Period , Rance is in Sengoku Period

Why not say all the other animes and video games are ripoffs too then.

Different scenario, different ideology. While Rance and Kohime has exact 90% similarities in scenario and in setting, only the time era are different )of course, alongside with the characters)

But I guess in the end looking at only the word "rip-off" and not reading the entire post is a valid reason for dismissing points of other.

Fixed it for you. I guess it is too much for you to conduct a serious argument.Last modified on 2011-03-01 at 15:56
#34 by azathoth
2011-03-01 at 16:34
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Sengoku Rance leans more towards the rpg side while Koihime leans towards the strategy side
I agree with saberger's answer to that, Rance is in no way an RPG game. It's purely strategy.

And yeah, Rance was in Japan and I'm pretty sure Koihime takes place in China (At least they all come from there) so there's that difference as well.
Either way, I can't judge this as I haven't played it yet, but there's few games which are ripoffs, most of them are just inspired by them in different amounts.


So please stop with all these ripoff vs. not ripoff arguments until you can state enough proof (And don't just state some 'proof' showing one side of the story).
#35 by pendelhaven
2011-03-01 at 17:03
< report >I need a review.
#36 by himitsukou
2011-03-01 at 17:18
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Rance and Kohime has exact 90% similarities in scenario and in setting
So you say that one of the companies copied their game and twisted it into a new one? Nobody would buy Koihime then.Last modified on 2011-03-01 at 17:22
#37 by saberger
2011-03-01 at 17:45
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So you say that one of the companies copied their game and twisted it into a new one? Nobody would buy Koihime then.

That's what I think. You're entitled to have your opinion.

I don't say that you must share the same idea as me, so if you can justify for yourself that the games aren't the same, buy it yourself.
#38 by justinizhere
2011-03-01 at 20:22
< report >i cant form an opinion as im waiting to get voices before i start, but if you think about it, everything is a rip off of something..so yeah
#39 by gabezhul
2011-03-01 at 20:40
< report >I didn't want to get into this mess, but what the hell are you guys talking about? O_o?
How exactly is this game anything like Sengoku Rance? The setting is different, the basic premise is different, the only things that fit is that both games are VN/Tactical hybrids and have a huge female cast. Ripping off? Well, excuse me if I'm sceptical about that...

In detail:
Sengoku Rance:
-Sengoku period
-Mixed officers
-Rape
-Tactical RPG
-Protag is an inhabitant of the world

Koihime
-Three Kingdoms period
-Female officers
-Tactical strategy
-Protag comes from another world

Hell, I could find more similarities with Eien no Aselia... -.-'Last modified on 2011-03-01 at 20:43
#40 by dacasa
2011-03-01 at 20:51
< report >Which was a great game i'd like to recommend everyone,
I just finished it 5 minutes ago
#41 by himitsukou
2011-03-01 at 21:23
< report >Rance's protag is also a rapist.

Which is why I asked how did he get 90.Last modified on 2011-03-02 at 11:13
#42 by reid
2011-03-01 at 22:39
< report >Is this really a tactical/strategical game? All I had to do so far was tediously clicking on any attack type to win the battle. You can't seem to lose it doesn't matter how bad you play the battle, at the worse you just need more turns to win, that's all. The first four battles are identical. I pray this is gonna become a lot more challenging than the start, otherwise they should just have made it a normal VN.
I wasn't expecting SR battle system, but at least something a little bit more decent... I hope voices and hentai factor will save this game.Last modified on 2011-03-01 at 22:40
#43 by saberger
2011-03-02 at 01:39
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Tactical RPG

I repeat again, Rance has no RPG elements, if you prefer this way, I'll say Rance has too little of RPG elements to call it a RPG. Beside, Tactical RPG is for game which has table-top Strategy elements, while Rance absolutely isn't a table-top one.

-Protag is an inhabitant of the world

-Protag comes from another world

You seriously consider these two things? Really? gabe, really?

Sengoku Rance picks up where Rance 6 left off. Rance, after saving the nation of Zeth from destruction, ran away so he won't have to marry the princess. He and Sill ended up in Japan for a hotspring trip,

I eagerly rushed out of my dorm to try and catch a burglar who snuck into my school, but next thing I knew, I was laying in a vast, open prairie. "What the hell?!" I thought, but my amazement didn't last long before I was surrounded by a group of men armed with glistening weapons!

Did you really not spot the similarities? The Japan nation in Vns could be seen as something unique, in this sense, it could be seen as a small world. I repeat again, the scenarios are the same. It all goes like this:

A boy from another place was taken back to the another world where people fighting with each other. He follow one's side and help them to conquer the land. He has sex with various heroines in the game

Admitted, I was wrong when using "era", 'past' but well, the scenario and setting are just the same.

-Tactical strategy

Really? There is a category called "Tactical Strategy"? That's the first time I heard this phrase. Tactical and Strategy are different words, with different meanings, and different etymologies, in the sense of "game type", tactical and strategy don't even come close. While I did not nitpick the use of Strategy for Rance, I just felt like rolling & laughing when someone slap the whole"Tactical Strategy " as a word, and a form of gameplay.

You don't say a song is belong to "pop rock" category, don't you ( or in your situation, is there any song out there belong to the "death black" metal group)? If there are more Strategy elements in game than Tactical, it's a Strategy game, vice versa.

Hell, I could find more similarities with Eien no Aselia... -.-'

How so? The change in time period, the change in personality of protagonists, the change in gender of other characters, are they that great? The same scenario, that's the most important thing when dictate whether something is a rip-off of another.

Let's have an example, if 2 stories about the boy who happen to have his family killed during a war, and grow up with the ideology of "the strong will devour the weak". Then he becomes a soldier, and the officer of one side of the war, destroy the other sides, then unite the whole land. The only difference is the first takes place in One Hundred Years War, the second in Napoleonic Campaign. Do you seriously don't think they are the same? In addition, The gameplay in two game are almost the same, train troops, attack, defend, train troops..... ( while Kohime has more Strategy elements than Rance)

And if I was right, Aselia 1 has nothing such as " train troops", you only have 1 characters per turn to control. And for your knowledge, Aselia 1 is Simulation RPG. Better to understand the game before making an assumption.

Rance's protag is also a rapist.

Your point? Two songs all talks about the same story, with the difference that the first one about the rapist protagonist, the second about the normal protagonist, do you seriously tell me that they have no resemblances?

Creating a scenario, and polishing a gameplay are the two most difficult things to do for making a game. When you have the scenario and setting, it's easier to tweak the protagonist and any other small things to your own liking.

Edit :@ Reid:
Is this really a tactical/strategical game? All I had to do so far was tediously clicking on any attack type to win the battle. You can't seem to lose it doesn't matter how bad you play the battle, at the worse you just need more turns to win, that's all. The first four battles are identica

Streamlined gameplay doesn't make it less strategic or tactical (category wise). Simplified gameplay sells more than difficult one.Last modified on 2011-03-02 at 05:15
#44 by mstrchef117
2011-03-02 at 04:29
< report >Well then saberger, then everything is generic and/or a ripoff of everything and therefore no game is worth buying then. There will definately be similarities in games catering to a small/niche consumer base that thrive off of specific tropes. To expect otherwise is naive.
#45 by saberger
2011-03-02 at 04:50
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Well then saberger, then everything is generic and/or a ripoff of everything and therefore no game is worth buying then. There will definately be similarities in games catering to a small/niche consumer base that thrive off of specific tropes. To expect otherwise is naive.

Do you really read my post? Really, mstrchef, really? The scenario is exactly 90 percent the same. I repeat;

A boy from another place was taken back to the another world where people fighting with each other. He follow one's side and help them to conquer the land. He has sex with various heroines in the game

Now if you can give me 2 games/animes/mangas/ which have that similarities in scenario, and they aren't rip-off of one another, then you win.

But I guess in the end looking at only the word "rip-off" and not reading the entire post is a valid reason for dismissing points of other.

For you.

Edit1:
There will definately be similarities in games catering to a small/niche consumer base that thrive off of specific tropes. To expect otherwise is naive

I concur, but the problem is the 2 game has too many similarities in the plot which is told by the story.(again, scenario). Naive or not, it can only be argued if you could prove that I'm wrong about these two.

Edit2: er, why did I have the feeling that I'm being gang-raped? You all possess the right to have your own opinion, and if you all can justify for yourself that the game ain't a rip-off of Rance, then just buy the goddamn game. So, who's next?Last modified on 2011-03-02 at 05:02
#46 by pendelhaven
2011-03-02 at 05:41
< report >Rance isn't strategy nor tactical. it is turn-based.
#47 by saberger
2011-03-02 at 05:47
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Rance isn't strategy nor tactical. it is turn-based.

And turn-based can stand alone as a category for a game?..................

Pendel, you seriously make me choke on my Coke. Were you being sarcastic?
#48 by akirarinkitori
2011-03-02 at 06:32
< report >come on guys, why are we arguing about rance in a thread asking if you gonna buy koihime musou ?
#49 by irx
2011-03-02 at 07:57
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In detail:
Sengoku Rance:
-Sengoku period
-Mixed officers
-Rape
-Tactical RPG
-Protag is an inhabitant of the world

Koihime
-Three Kingdoms period
-Female officers
-Tactical strategy
-Protag comes from another world
What, no rape?! I'll pass then.
Strategy eroges should be about pillage & rape, not some fluffy adolescent romance. -}
#50 by kiru
2011-03-02 at 09:03
< report >Why does Rance not have rpg elements? After taking a short look into the rance wiki, we have several battle-stats, levels (although no real xp) and stuff like that. Those are called "rpg-elements". Which means: Rance is a turn based srpg. Maybe a bit heavier on the "s" part than the "rpg" part, but still.

Also: Has this one really no such things? Quite interesting, it's relatively normal to have at least battle-stats like atk, def and so on. (Although, of course, if the game doesn't give you status-values, it can still have internal ones... but then it doesn't have rpg-elements, obviously)Last modified on 2011-03-02 at 09:06