Steam controversy again

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#1 by usagi
2019-05-10 at 16:39
Steam page was deleted i.e. the game failed to pass their QC. I suppose the main culprit is Nekomiya Nono and/or all that three years time skip feature between elementary and middle schools (or middle and high school?).
To avoid steam sjw bastards butthurt - they have to either delete/censor all ecchi jokes and CGs there or the whole character, I think.
I always thought this game would be hard to release in the West, btw - as most Sol Press or Favorite titles. There are too many lolies for that. However Newton to Ringo no Ki was released after all - to which I was surprised, tbh - considering Alice Bedford tiny flat-chested character. So there began to appear some hope - not for long, it seems.
Most likely, for loli characters nowadays - difference between fantasy setting and modern time is red line for steam censors.Last modified on 2019-05-10 at 17:08
#2 by ramaladni
2019-05-10 at 17:29
A little girl in ecchi situations who wears a red backpack? I'm not surprised. Randoseru are even banned (or the term itself) from regular eroge nowadays.Last modified on 2019-05-10 at 21:59
#3 by kratoscar2008
2019-05-10 at 21:14
Yeah. When i look at newton and Nono is easy to see the difference.
When will localizers understand that Oppai is the way to go? Flatchests arent worth it.
#4 by sanahtlig
2019-05-10 at 21:49
When will localizers understand that Oppai is the way to go? Flatchests arent worth it.
The MILF route in Shiny Days resulted in a permanent BAD END (corrupted save that prevented the game from executing). As it should be.
#5 by usagi
2019-05-10 at 22:06
Yeah. When i look at newton and Nono is easy to see the difference.
Ok, what about Reina and Minokasa Nagi then? Still there is difference?
When will localizers understand that Oppai is the way to go? Flatchests arent worth it.
B-but Maitetsu exists in steam without issues?
#6 by sanahtlig
2019-05-10 at 22:23
Lolis (as in, sexualized children and teens) are clearly a risk factor for a Steam ban. Some games manage to get past reviewers. It probably just comes down the luck of the draw in reviewers, the sexual suggestiveness of the CG and premise, and whether the game attracts any controversy. Primary and secondary school settings in a world much like our own seem to draw special scrutiny as being bait for pedophiles.Last modified on 2019-05-10 at 22:30
#7 by kiru
2019-05-10 at 22:24
@1: Alice is actually an adult, as far as the story goes. No random "all characters are 18+", like really. All of that game's characters are of university student age or older. (though Alice did skip grades in university.. or something)
I think the typical disclaimer is just not enough for the western world. But if everything in the game points to them being adults, they are adults. Maybe. Or it's random, which is more likely.Last modified on 2019-05-10 at 22:26
#8 by freshift
2019-05-11 at 01:45
#5 From what I have observed, Maitetsu's successful debut on Steam is more of an exception than norm.
#9 by ginseigou
2019-05-11 at 03:43
If this is so troublesome, why they're trying to sell on Steam controversial loli titles in the first place? It would be more profitable to sell NTR there than vns with lolis.Last modified on 2019-05-11 at 03:50
#10 by kratoscar2008
2019-05-11 at 04:25
#4.
No wonder why the Days series is so shitty.

#5
No idea whats the deal with Maitetsu, besides it flopped on steam while oppai series like the Sakura ones do great.
Oppai is the rainbow to the gold.

#9
Trying to appeal to hungry lolicons, moreso now that there is no western loli games due to no platform wanting any of it.Last modified on 2019-05-11 at 04:27
#11 by usagi
2019-05-16 at 18:15
Btw, judging by Nekomiya Nono uniform - she is indeed elementary school>middle school student. Middle schoolkids in Japan usually wears dark-colored uniform - whereas high school students wears white. In other words even after time skip she is 12-14 y.o.Last modified on 2019-05-16 at 18:17
#12 by forever-here
2019-05-16 at 18:35
if only producers knew who are these "SJWs" in reality these producers will NEVER bow down to the cryings and whinings of these jealous 2/10 landwhales.

edit: grammarLast modified on 2019-05-16 at 20:51
#13 by kiru
2019-05-16 at 18:49
@11: School uniforms are different in every game. I'm currently playing one, where every year in high school has a different color. Black, White and Red. Color doesn't really say anything, unless you actually know what it means from the game.

Also she wears white in that link. Based on what you say, that'd refer to high school. Black -> White.
#14 by usagi
2019-05-16 at 19:03
Also she wears white in that link. Based on what you say, that'd refer to high school. Black -> White.
No, see for yourself link
Scroll the page down and you will see time diagram where how the form changed is shown.
Also, high school students are not wearing red backpacks.Last modified on 2019-05-16 at 19:03
#15 by sakurakoi
2019-05-16 at 19:51
Also, high school students are not wearing red backpacks.
Neither do middle school ones unless they truly are "unfortunate"~
#16 by sanahtlig
2019-05-16 at 23:17
The description says she's 1 year younger than the protagonist. Of course, this is all fudgeable. They're clearly going for a certain aesthetic. Age is not even terribly relevant in the real world, where people mature at different rates, much less a fictional world where ages can be arbitrarily assigned.

Probably more important than her stated age is whether she's considered a child by those around her, and whether they'd consider a relationship between her and the protagonist as salacious, immoral, or illegal. My general impression from the summary and character bios is that she's not considered a child in the setting, and that her apparent age is just fodder for gags.Last modified on 2019-05-16 at 23:21
#17 by dk382
2019-05-17 at 01:10
Probably more important than her stated age is whether she's considered a child by those around her, and whether they'd consider a relationship between her and the protagonist as salacious, immoral, or illegal. My general impression from the summary and character bios is that she's not considered a child in the setting, and that her apparent age is just fodder for gags.
Her apparent age is clearly fodder for lolicons, and gags come second. That's how this always goes. Make a character or game that appeals to a specific kink, then figure out where to go with it from there. This is a game for lolicons, and, well, Steam is gonna be a hard place to sell those unless you get lucky in the approval process.

Also, moege rarely depicts backlash from relationships with lolis, even with the the very blatantly underage ones. Like, it's not as if Watashi ga Suki nara "Suki" tte Itte! made the player feel like a pedophile during the Komachi Mahiru route, despite her first h-scene happening shortly after her first period. The most these games do is have some characters glare at the protagonist and call him a lolicon, but then brush it off like it's not a big deal. If your criteria of what's an "inappropriate" relationship is gonna be strictly via acceptance in the fictional worlds they exist in, then just about every loli in every eroge aside from very hardcore lolige will pass.

When predicting and judging the reaction of normies, you have to go by common sense. Common sense dictates that this game is pedo as hell. No crap Steam is gonna reject it.
#18 by adamstan
2019-05-17 at 05:08
Mahiru's route was horrible for me because of the H. That's exactly why I was hoping for all-ages release of Youtsunoha, because its premise seems very appealing to me (excluding pandering to lolicons with Nono) - I'm a sucker for those "searching for lost memories" or nostalgic stories with group of friends (and osananajimi heroines). But now that Steam rejected it, probably only +18 version will get released.

I'm in the same boat with Maitetsu - I got interested in it because of trains, but I'd never get H version of it, so I'm glad that we have all-ages version on Steam (but, nevertheless, it's pretty surprising that it's still there).Last modified on 2019-05-17 at 13:30
#19 by sanahtlig
2019-05-17 at 12:54
If your criteria of what's an "inappropriate" relationship is gonna be strictly via acceptance in the fictional worlds they exist in, then just about every loli in every eroge aside from very hardcore lolige will pass.
I was more pointing out that stated age is less meaningful to the player's experience than the relationship's context in the setting. Pedophilia, as a theme, has a different sort of appeal than a certain body type or speech pattern. It's like comparing incest in settings where it's acceptable vs. where it's condemned. One is just a variant of the childhood friend trope. The other becomes the fulcrum for emotional drama. The taboo itself is part of the appeal.Last modified on 2019-05-17 at 13:01
#20 by mrkew
2019-05-17 at 15:54
Incest is in no way a variant of the childhood friend trope. Don't talk about a fetish you clearly don't have.
#21 by sanahtlig
2019-05-17 at 18:08
Incest is in no way a variant of the childhood friend trope
They're biologically-related. And why do you say I don't like incest?
#22 by mrkew
2019-05-17 at 18:48
1. Unproven theory
2. You said the taboo can only truly exist when the relationship is actively condemned by other characters. If you do like incest, then it is because of the drama surrounding it, not the act itself.
#23 by behappyeveryday
2019-05-18 at 04:30
@19 Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescent kids, i.e. younger than 10-12 y.o. without any secondary sex characteristic (having childlike body proportions with big belly, zero chest at all, small hips, etc). Biologically girl considered as mature enough after her first ovulation. Most lolies in VNs have nothing to do with pedophilia and this is why they are almost in every game as it appeals to very major group, basically to almost all hetero men without prejudices. If only pedos were interested in lolies then there wouldn't be much of them in games, as this group of people is less than 5% of population. This is also the reason why target audience of most yaoi games are hetero women, not gays. And TA of yuri games are hetero men, not lesbians. Minorities just not so profitable.Last modified on 2019-05-18 at 04:42

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