Why so many Netorare titles

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Netorare a new trend

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#1 by netonetori
2019-06-14 at 05:42
Is Netorare actually a trend in japan? out of the titles released {I just checked in this website} in the last 2 months at least 10+ were about: Voeyerism, Cuckolding, Netorare, Netori, Netorase and Infidelity in all their variants{excluding English origin and re-releases}

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The big question: Why Netorare is profitable? why people like Netorare?



Is the herb, soy-boy chump meme true for japanese visual novel readers? Heck, to be honest even english titles are targeting readers who like to watch their wife's getting pwned by the big black bull.
#2 by sakurakoi
2019-06-14 at 06:16
Of course it is a big genre when to begin with it is actually three ones:
-Being cucked (Netorare/se)
-Just watching Infidelity/being the infidel (Voyeurism; Female Protag/Neutral PoV)
-Stealing one's significant other. (Netori)

The reason why the first one is so popular is simply due to the fact that males are desperate (hence why there are so few adult works targeted at females which get cheated on). Having a lover who cheats on you is better than having no lover at all, especially if you can still take a shot, later.

also, just 10+? Oh, there are much more, many amateur works simply don't get listed here, for the first alone. It's also not new, merely post-modern, the rise basically began when women were "liberated" (now it'd just be neat if men too were) but even further back...
#3 by artumis
2019-06-14 at 06:30
"New"? Certainly not.

Secondarily, it's important to keep things separated into more clear categories than simply Vanilla and Everything Else. Netorare is different from Netori, Netorase, Infidelity, Blackmail, etc. Even if some of them might instill similar feelings in certain readers, there's still huge differences in terms of story implications. I'd even go so far as to say that NTR is tagged on things that shouldn't be considered NTR at all (though that's a different topic).

As for why it's "popular"? Well, that's going to depend on the exact nature of "infidelity", the reader, and who exactly the reader is associating with. Personally, tell the story though the eyes of a Hetare Protagonist and I'll probably not enjoy it much. Focus more on the character being 'stolen' and it becomes less a story about "Loss", rather now it's about them finding something greater than they had. Maybe they're discovering some aspect of themselves they didn't know existed. Perhaps they're satiating a need that simply wasn't being met. Point is, simply changing your approach to a story can lead to a vastly different experience for the reader, even if the story is the same.

Now, even under such approaches, this doesn't mean that NTR magically becomes Only Good Endings. It's more likely that this approach means that even a "Vanillia" ending is "Bad" for the NTR target, particularly if they end up with the aforementioned Hetare character.

In essence, I'd say it's "popular" because it's a somewhat deeper and more nuanced than a story filled with perfect characters who get harem endings if they so choose. Sure there's more to the story than that, but when it comes to love interests, characters have no competition or there is competition and you end up with NTR scenarios.

Not that there's anything wrong with those more vanilla stories, those can be a lot of fun.
#4 by fuukanou
2019-06-14 at 12:34
There was a big DMM survey and I believe the top tag searched was NTR.
Admittedly a good chunk of visitors to the site were Russians and so it can't be guaranteed it's the Japanese who are into it, it's pretty certain they are.
#5 by sanahtlig
2019-06-14 at 12:49
NTR is the alternative to the pervasive trope of 100% devoted heroines that continue to be dedicated to the protagonist even after he rejects them. Since a large segment of the audience revolts when any NTR at all exists in their moege, an NTR "genre" has to be created rather than fully integrating NTR into the stories of mainstream titles (like it should). Think about it: while a loli "genre" exists, the need for dedicated loli titles is reduced because you can just add a loli heroine into the cast of most games and satisfy this audience to some extent.

The proliferation of NTR games is not a new trend. The doujin section of DLsite (Japan) is so dominated by NTR games that it's always in the top 10 or so popular tags.
#6 by kratoscar2008
2019-06-14 at 15:49
Keep NTR away from nonNTR focused tittles and the cucks can bask on all their suffering for all i care.
Sadly most western games are falling pray to that cancer, while its not so bad now because most are 3dcg trash when 2d starts gaining traction i worry for thei future.
Chose last option. Absolubtely loving having elves in more vanilla scenarios as of late thanks to Sukebe Elf. There is at least progress in some areas.Last modified on 2019-06-14 at 15:53
#7 by bobjr2000
2019-06-14 at 16:32
Its for people that don't want a straight forward romance/sex. Writing a story that is fun/exciting while having heroine fall in love and everything turns out perfect is boring for a lot of people. Even normal romance books people buy usually don't have everything is perfect and end of story.
#8 by warfoki
2019-06-14 at 17:10
I mean, aside of 100% nukiges that have no plot, just sex scenes, you gotta have SOME source of drama / emotional clash, otherwise, if everything works out normally, you don't have a story. normal life is not interesting, as people tend to live that themselves. Now, some can pull it off with a hint of comedy, but that is super-rare.

Since NTR is so hated by a huge chunk of the VN-readers, this source of conflict is usually a pseudo harem in most works. Like, I can't remember the last time I read manga / light novel / etc. with any romance in it that did NOT have some sort of harem going on. It just doesn't happen, since the other obvious source of drama would be the (potential) disloyalty of one of the two main leads, but that is hated so much by the readership, that even implying it can and will tank your ratings.

But this means that the crowd who is interested in NTR has to be catered to specifically, since you cannot put that in normal works, because you'll chase away everyone, but the NTR crowd by that. As such, lot more works dedicated to NTR happen than most other fetishes.Last modified on 2019-06-15 at 09:01
#9 by shining17
2019-06-14 at 18:27
Too bad many of them heroines are milfs.
#10 by kratoscar2008
2019-06-14 at 18:44
Well they already have had kids and likely married so unless you play the husband or she is a widow a form of cheating is in order.
Or you mean older women in general?
#11 by shining17
2019-06-14 at 18:47
I prefer NTR game with teen heroines.
#12 by artumis
2019-06-15 at 04:19
A good point has been brought up with the schism NTR content creates in readers. While there are certainly people who seek it out specifically, there's also a fairly large chunk of people who avoid it at all costs. Some will go so far as to not bother with a title if it has so much as a single NTR route, regardless of how many other routes it has. This unfortunately does mean that rather than these darker routes existing in conjunction with lighter routes, they instead need titles to be more focused around the idea.

That said, I wouldn't go so far as to make judgement calls about the individuals who avoid or seek NTR content. People have a wide range of reasons as to why they enjoy certain content. I find NTR tolerable at worst, but I don't personally insert myself into the story, I don't feel the need to do that. As a result, NTR isn't an affront to me, it's just something that happens in a story and can be (but certainly isn't always) an interesting dilemma for the parties involved. It's a love triangle where there are actual stakes, but regardless of who wins or loses, it's never me as the reader.
#13 by warfoki
2019-06-15 at 09:11
Apparently, after looking it up, there's also the fact that adultery is quite common in Japan. Multiple surveys were done on it by multiple sources and all of them came up with number around 25-35%. As in that percentage of people answered that yes, they have cheated on their partners. That's one out of every 3-4 people. Generally people's approach to this is "oh, well, can't be helped I guess". Obviously not everyone thinks like this, but adultery seems to be a lot less of an eternal stigma than, say, in the USA. So, with that background, it's probably not that surprising that we have a lot of NTR stories. Considering that in a lot of NTR stories the wife becomes a broken slut for the yakuza or some similar shit, I guess it works as revenge fantasy?

Again, take everything with a grain of salt, since I'm not Japanese, nor am I living in Japan, I just spent some time looking up data on the matter.Last modified on 2019-06-15 at 15:35
#14 by sanahtlig
2019-06-15 at 14:49
Apparently, after looking it up, there's also the fact that adultery is quite common in Japan. Multiple surveys were done on it by multiple sources and all of them came up with number around 25-35%.
The implication is that the rate is much lower in Western nations. I don't think it is.

Considering that in a lot of NTR stories the wife becomes a broken slut for the yakuza or some similar shit, I guess it works as revenge fantasy?
I do find that a lot of NTR games feature a distinct misogynistic streak. They appeal to people who are disillusioned with relationships.Last modified on 2019-06-15 at 14:54
#15 by warfoki
2019-06-15 at 15:34
I couldn't find a mirror poll in the USA for that, but according to a 2013 global survey, 84% of Americans answered that adultery is morally reprehensible. (The same poll listed France with only 47% thinking this, so it's not like we'd have a united "western" front over this.) Also, while I'm not American, I follow American politics and news enough to know that there can be severe consequences if someone is outed as an adulterer. If you are in a military for example, you will be detained and receive a dishonorable discharge. You can lose pretty much everything in a divorce if you've provably cheated on your partner. Most communities will oust you, it's not particularly rare for people to have to move to a different state after getting busted cheating on their spouse / wife / husband. I'm not saying that this is always the case, I'm just saying that the average reaction seems to be a lot more severe than "oh, it can't be helped".Last modified on 2019-06-15 at 15:48
#16 by bobjr2000
2019-06-15 at 17:13
Well its funny thought process with subject. Most Americans don't like to be cheated on. The number for infidelities last time saw has been around 48% for males and 46% for females that cheated on partners almost 50%. But most Americans believes their partner is loyal and hasn't cheated on them.

Its the idea of accepting it happens to others but not me belief.
#17 by sanahtlig
2019-06-15 at 19:12
I couldn't find a mirror poll in the USA for that, but according to a 2013 global survey, 84% of Americans answered that adultery is morally reprehensible.
Attitude towards a behavior and its prevalence are not necessarily correlated. People do things all the time they consider "morally reprehensible". Like looking at porn, for instance.Last modified on 2019-06-15 at 19:28
#18 by netonetori
2019-06-15 at 21:39
@2 good point. never thought about that but in fact I know a good portion of male friends who would not mind to be step on/cheated if it was from a #cute girl#. again the herb meme, eh?

@3 and 5. idk. not all only good endings moeges the heroine will automatically love the protagonist. also why not focus on a more dramatic settings like nakiges do? what I find strange is why exactly NTR must be brought up to {spice up} a novel rather than being creative. focus in another settings or fetishes if you will.Last modified on 2019-06-15 at 21:43
#19 by sanahtlig
2019-06-16 at 02:10
What I like about NTR is the potential for dramatic tension and suspense. For example, in School Days it's possible to pair up with one heroine while the other heroine gets NTR'd away, and this can evoke conflicting emotions. Because you chose one girl, the other girl ended up in a not great relationship, and the resulting jealousy can be the trigger for further drama.Last modified on 2019-06-16 at 02:11
#20 by artumis
2019-06-16 at 02:18
@18 It's really a question of how people want to break things down. Under the broadest sense of the idea(s) of NTR, it's incredibly common, arguably even being in "vanilla" titles but simply not told from a perspective that brings any attention to it. After all, if there are multiple love interests and MC pairs up with only one of them, there's a decent chance the other one got NTR'd. Love interest might be married but lack of malice usually frames the relationship as "vanilla", you're the good guy after all. Just not if the story was told from the spouses viewpoint.

As for why other things can't be used to spice things up. It's again going to depend on how you want to break things down. I'd argue there's plenty of things that are done to 'spice up' non-NTR titles. Though the experience will be far more limited if you define NTR in the broadest possible sense of the idea and if you're focusing on the relationships and not the rest of the story. Still, is Konchuu Kansatsu NTR? Seitenkan? Josou Jinja? Natsuiro Mikan? Some of these are certainly dark or otherwise might contain content that not everyone might enjoy but (unless I'm mistaken) those are a few non-NTR English titles with widely different stories and reasonable example of the variety of things that can be used to spice things up.

I tend to find splitting hairs over NTR mildly pointless, as the real complaint seems to be one of how Dark or Light a story is. Something like euphoria is probably not the kind of title someone who avoids NTR is going to want to check out, regardless of if the title has NTR or not. If you limit your selection to only bright happy stories with no NTR, you're just going to severely limit your selection. Which is fine, there's nothing wrong with Vanilla, but the opposite of NTR isn't Vanilla, and there are a lot of choices that aren't either.
#21 by kratoscar2008
2019-06-16 at 03:26
Considering how every month at least 10 moeges are released i hardly doubt someone is limiting themselves by only liking vanilla.
Plus wanting something a little darker doesnt means you have to go to NTR. Companies like Lune and Bishop makes serious games and they for the most part dont really have NTR (These companies in particular used to have NTR in their games until they found out people with a little more harcore tastes dont find any appeal in NTR).
#22 by artumis
2019-06-16 at 04:02
My comment picked out titles from a wide range of release, so if this thread was specifically about NTR apparently trending more so than usual in Japan recently, my apologies.

However when "Voeyerism, Cuckolding, Netorare, Netori, Netorase and Infidelity in all their variants" are bundled under the banner of NTR (Netorare specifically by thread title) I get the feeling that it might be about "Darker" stories in general. Voeyerism and Infidelity don't require any form of NTR and Netorare and Netori are in opposition to each other by definition (though certain "love triangles" might involve both at once).

Regardless, I think the point remains. NTR in the strictest sense encompasses more titles than most people give credit while also not covering unrelated, though usually associated, aspects such as infidelity, blackmail, hypnotism, sex with others, etc. Netorare and Netori are specifically about intent and/or result. A person can have sex with others with zero intent/result of abandoning their partner. It might not be the happiest of situations, but it's important not to conflate these things simply because they are often used in conjunction. If NTR doesn't always require Cheating/Infidelity (it doesn't), then similarly Cheating and Infidelity don't require NTR. That might sound wrong, but keep in mind that NTR can impact Childhood friends that aren't in a romantic relationship and other similar situations.
#23 by behappyeveryday
2019-07-07 at 03:16
Netorare thread is most popular one on anime-sharing and for a reason. It isn't most popular genre by itself, but if you start to become into NTR then other porn wouldn't be as exciting to you anymore. Why? Because ntr makes you feel strong emotions. Check top 100 vndb - those games are mostly so highly rated for their ability to make you feel negative emotions - sadness, empathy, anger, etc. Same way good netorare make you feel strong jealousy which makes sexual excitement so much stronger what most other porn is not longer exciting enough for you. Cheating in general is one of the most popular fetishes btw, even in traditional porn on pornhub you can find countless "cheating videos" with millions of views. For example blacked series. So it isn't "new trend" at all. In fact I personally think what anyone can enjoy this genre if they let go of their morality and just give it a try.

As about quantity of new ntr titles - it is by far lacking, considering what for most ntr fans other genres are rather boring. So far in this year was released only 16 netorare vns half of which are too generic. Good netorare would be more like story heavy romantic novel with expected twist of main heroine cheating. By structure it would be like nakige game, but with heroine being stolen instead of usual drama. Considering what in many nakige the point of drama is death of heroine (or terminal illness) then her become addicted to other guy's dick is something less hardcore, lol.Last modified on 2019-07-07 at 03:36

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