|#1 by 5pm|
2019-07-12 at 22:05
|The reason the writer made kirari only had sex once per male and never the second one is due to the game is about “pure love story”. The writer was kinda bored with pure love story with teen heroines so he wants pure love story with adult heroine. The problem is with adult heroine, its quite stupid and laughable if she is a virgin being of those age (29) so he made a setting about an experienced woman who never knows love (thus those one sex only) so the protagonist can be her first love. At least that is my impression so I quite disagree she is a slut. Its just “katagaki”, adult heroine = experienced woman tekina? |
hope you guys virgin freaks will be happy with this point of view, Kirari is "virgin" in love not manko.Last modified on 2019-07-15 at 09:47
|#2 by rampaa|
2019-07-12 at 22:16
Traits > Personality > SluttySo no, she's very much a textbook example of a slut.Last modified on 2019-07-12 at 22:32
This character is considered to be a slut (sexually promiscuous). Slut or slattern is a term applied to an individual who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous...
|#3 by tragedydesu|
2019-07-12 at 22:41
|she is a slut , nothing can change that fact|
this Vn don't have the pure love story tag because of herLast modified on 2019-07-12 at 22:45
|#4 by bobjr2000|
2019-07-12 at 23:16
|Back on this again I see. My quick response before it gets locked again.|
It really depends for me personal. How sexual active and whats her standards for a relationship. My guess is they don't go into details about this in game.
Does she say have sex every other day or maybe few times a month, huge difference. Avg american age 19-29 in 2017 had on avg in a single year sex around 100 times.
Is she having sex with some random stranger because just happen to be in right place at right time or does she have some interest or standards who she sleeps with. Sleeping with a random stranger with one night stands or sleeping with close acquaintance got know.
Whats magic number of partners a man can have and how many times can he have sex and not be a man slut.
|#5 by pabloc|
2019-07-12 at 23:36
Kirari is "virgin" in love not manko.Err, isn't that precisely what makes her a slut? Sleeping with men she doesn't love, that is? And apparently she even limits herself to one-night-stands on some weird principle...
|#6 by tyr|
2019-07-13 at 00:24
|Could you virgins please stop discussing the subtleties of what makes someone a slut?|
It makes us non-virgin slutshamers look like idiots.
|#7 by shukumeiteki1|
2019-07-13 at 00:35
|If you want to discuss why is it more interesting to have a slut as one of the heroine instead of a virgin or a normal girl then that's fine but trying to convince everyone that she is something when she clearly is not is absurd.|
She is by definition, at least how the game describes her, a slut:
"a woman who has many casual sexual partners, a promiscuous woman" <- slut noun
|#12 by kratoscar2008|
2019-07-13 at 05:03
Anyways she is obviously an slut, not all sluts have to be willing to fuck a bum on the street but they must treat sex with people they dont know as something normal which is why currently being an slut is a-okay while being a virgin is suddenly motive of mocking. Japan gladly still holds virginity at a high regard which thankfully keeps VNs out of the rottent western influences.
Also the "She is virgin in love and not manko" sounds like those lame "girl sucks cock, take it in the ass and instead of handshakes she gives handjobs but she has a hymen so its fine" excuses you see in some "Tame the slut" eroges.
Also its funny that the OP says its unrealistic to have a 29 year old virgin in a time travel VN.
|#13 by warfoki|
2019-07-13 at 19:50
|This fucking topic AGAIN? For real? Ugh...|
Look, you wanna talk about wether the tag is misapplied or not, whatever, but stop bringing your nonsense irl expectations into the discussion already.
|#14 by bobjr2000|
2019-07-13 at 22:41
|Not one trying to convince people Kirari is not a slut only that spectrum of Virgin----Slut is not the only thing that exists and can be much more complicated. |
Looking Matsumiya Kiriko she has no virgin tag(As of yet) and we have no idea how many sex partners she has had. for the crazy pures just by virtue of not being a virgin doesn't make them a slut.
|#15 by conduit|
2019-07-14 at 03:57
The problem is with adult heroine, its quite stupid and laughable if she is a virgin being of those age (29)I mean, if she's an extremely anti-social loser neet that never leaves her house then it's understandable. But I don't think this girl is supposed to be that character archetype.
|#16 by clorust|
2019-07-14 at 20:59
|Being non-virgin doesn't make you a slut if you only have one partner throughout your life, granted. Of course, when you decide to become a lustful, perverted degenerate and banging every guy in the area, that changes.|
Non-virgins are inferior in all dimensions though, I look at them with disdain. Though that isn't necessarily tied to promiscuity as much as it is purity.
|#17 by kratoscar2008|
2019-07-14 at 23:13
|Well considering she fucks the MC the first day she meets him with no introduction whatsoever and as she has only one night stands she really is an slut.|
As i said in other threads these nonvirgin heroines serve no purpose when you have virgin pervert heroines who acts like a nonvirgin girl but they are still pure and only do it for the MC like Sukebe Elf's Misery or LovexHolic's Seira A Senga.
Literally their only purpose is usually only to serve as some kind of standard for the protagonist to measure with but i rather not engage in such metric, not because i fear competition but because i rather not be part of the record in the girl's long list of guys who thoroughly fucked her.Last modified on 2019-07-14 at 23:14
|#18 by bobjr2000|
2019-07-14 at 23:47
|Its funny Krato you gave Eiyuu*Senki GOLD a 10 rating. How many women does mc potential fuck and get into a serious relationship and lets say he does take every relationship serious. If we flip the sex script female protagonist does same with all male heroes as cast can only imagine head exploding.|
And I know your rant old world/asia culture is better pure yada yada. Thinking about it does MC get a womanizer trait in Eiyuu*Senki ?Last modified on 2019-07-14 at 23:48
|#19 by rampaa|
2019-07-15 at 00:31
Not one trying to convince people Kirari is not a slutYeah, except, the title of this thread is literally "Kirari is not a slut".
If we flip the sex script female protagonist does same with all male heroes as cast can only imagine head exploding.How dare someone enjoy harems while (presumedly) disliking reverse harems, such blasphemy.Last modified on 2019-07-15 at 00:35
|#20 by kratoscar2008|
2019-07-15 at 02:07
In harem the girls get all with only one guy, so the girls are not sluts.
Sure the MC is a manslut but i dont care for the males plus the girls literally force themselves on him for the most part so its not like he is chasing pussy like say Rance is.
A better example would probably female protagonist games with harems (Be it male or female) but since she is the protag i dont care either what she does.
I will not deny there is some bias and double standards when it comes to this stuff, but in this particular case she is being depicted as a girl with loose sexual morals so she is objectively an slut (On the other hand we have the other adult non-virgin heroine who is not an slut because she actually tried to form a relationship but it failed, still she didnt just decide to ride the cock carousel so she is okay)Last modified on 2019-07-15 at 02:10
|#21 by sakurakoi|
2019-07-15 at 03:59
|In the first place, males are by nature sluts (they have to be) and females by nature should have high standards. The path to a happy relationship lies not in denying our nature but being well aware that while the male has to be attractive, so does the female have to keep the male satisfied. For a female is satisfied if their male is attractive. The difference between satisfaction and happiness? Sophistry. |
So many whine about there not being "good men", very much intending to groom the world to suit their needs if they have to (or even when not, it's called greed) but it is taboo to like a "good woman" because suddenly it is sexist... even though for most a good woman is just one who is average and nice, anything more is a bonus which is not worth being chased if one is satisfied.
If being called a slut is offensive to you, then perhaps you should not be one or be in a relationship with one. People only give a fuck, not literary, if someone is a slut if they are a rival (more often the case than not) or has to deal with the consequences (potential partners, parents). Slut-shaming is what the prior tend to do, the latter are genuinely concerned.
It's not like if one is once a slut, one will always be either but most certainly one does not switch from slut to not one from one day to another, and back.
Yes, if a girl wants to fuck you on the first date, you should reconsider how serious you should be about her. If a male does, it's par for the course because most can not be too selective and they actually do not expect the female to comply for the time it takes inversely affects how serious she is about her standards+the relationship. Of course, up to a certain point. Now the relationship can still become serious but not if you don't talk about how it was not serious at first.
How does a man show how serious he is/becomes about a relationship? By waiting, by being prepared to wait and not have another partner just before. It's not different from women who also should not have another partner the days before when starting a relationship. Seriously, it's not difficult to turn a relationship serious.
The quicker people fall in love, the quicker they fall out of it. A marriage based on love will end when the love ends, in a disaster at least.
|#22 by yorhel|
2019-07-15 at 04:03
|@sakurakoi: The fuck does any of that have to do with the topic? Why bring your theories about "nature" and IRL human relationships into this at all?|
If you've paid the tiniest bit of attention to these boards lately you should have known that that is pure flamebait in this community.Last modified on 2019-07-15 at 04:23
|#23 by freshift|
2019-07-15 at 04:11
|Great community we have here.|
|#24 by asaki|
2019-07-15 at 04:14
|Because it related to the human nature I guess.|
But seriously, did anyone else that involved in this heated yet pointless debate ever ask whether the user here played and understand Tsukikana or not? Because I'm sure that there's a lot more worth to talk compared to endless debate about non-virgin heroine here. Although if you bored by the premise, then I don't know what to say here.
PS - My answer in regard whether I play Tsukikana or not is that I'm still not play it because it's still in Japanese, and yeah I deliberately chose to not play Japanese VN here.Last modified on 2019-07-15 at 04:14
|#25 by artumis|
2019-07-15 at 06:52
|Well, looks like I've found the kind of topics to avoid. I don't know anything about this game, but even the basic description of the character talks about how she makes a point to not sleep with the same guy twice. This is a clear indication that she is only seeking the physical relationship and not simply not getting into a serious relationship, but actively avoiding such. It's a relatively unique kind of promiscuity, but it's still clearly textbook definition. If the topic was framed differently, as in "being a slut doesn't make you a bad person" there'd probably be room for debate, but so long as the character isn't being blatantly misrepresented, there's no argument to be had here. It's just objectively correct vs objectively incorrect.|
As a side note, virgin/non-virgin heroine "value" will vary by reader and story. Most of the time, I don't think it adds much to the situation, particularly in cases like #17 describes where you have slutty/perverted virgins. Though I suppose it at least raises the question of if you can invert the trope and have a pure/untainted slut. That would be an interesting discussion to try to draw boundaries in.
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