I don’t get it.

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#1 by komatori
2019-07-28 at 20:46
So I just finished the True Route of Yu-no,
where Takuya and Yu-no found the Sprout who grew into a tree.
And to be honest I think I would rate this game a 6/10.
I really liked the first part, even though I didn’t think it was anything special.
The sudden Isekai change was sudden, but I got accustomed to it.
I think what really drew me forward reading was the thought ‘This is a critical acclaimed Visual Novel, there will be a huge payoff at the end.’ But this payoff never happened to me. Ryuuzouji just got killed at the end in a pretty anticlimactic way.
And to be honest I didn’t pay much attention to the complicated explanations. So it ended for me with a pretty unsatisfying feeling. There are many things I don’t understand and I’m also not used to this kind of storytelling, where connections are not directly explained to the reader. So I’m partially blaming myself.
Another problem is I despise father-daughter-incest, it disgusts me to no end.
So I’m asking you to help me understand why there are so many people who really love this Visual Novel and maybe help me understand the ending.Last modified on 2019-07-28 at 21:00
#2 by surferdude
2019-07-28 at 21:01
to be honest I didn’t pay much attention to the complicated explanations

Well there's your problem!
#3 by onorub
2019-07-28 at 21:27
This is pretty funny, because i actually consider the final route of YU-NO the most overrated route of all time. What made this VN a classic for me was how well done the puzzles between routes were. The only VN that came close to having this kind of fun route-alternating gameplay was Virtue's Last Reward, and the storyline reasoning for the puzzles felt a lot more forced in that one.Last modified on 2019-07-28 at 21:32
#4 by komatori
2019-07-28 at 21:31
Well there's your problem!
You think not being able to comprehend certain explanations to their full extend ruined the complete game for me? That might be possible, but I don't think it's the full answer. Would you mind explaining to me why you love this Visual Novel so much and how you would interpret the ending.
#5 by komatori
2019-07-28 at 22:07
biggest reason why I didn’t like the Visual Novel:
-The father-daughter-incest (I pressed immediately ctrl when I realized where this scene is going and still had an urge the puke afterwards.) It took me in general completely out of the experience.
- I have problems to accept that Ryuuzouji was this being existing between the dimensions with no further explanation.

Some questions:
-Why was Takuya suddenly able to use the Reflector to go back to his world after Yu-No performed the ritual?
-What happened to that Storehouse why did it suddenly age so much?
-Is Kanna possibly another daughter of Takuya (If so I want to puke some more)
-So did Takuya go with Yu-no to the beginning of Vrinda's Tree at the end?
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#6 by ramaladni
2019-07-29 at 00:41
About Kanna Yes, she's his daughter with the merc chick. That moment when you realize that the time-travelling story was made just so Takuya could have sex with his daughter...twice. And one of them is like 3 years old.

The game was pretty rushed at the end, as Kanno ran out of time.

My favorite parts are the stepmother route and the Sayless arc (which wasn't written by Kanno).Last modified on 2019-07-29 at 00:42
#7 by forever-here
2019-07-29 at 11:43
this thread in a nutshell:

>boo hoo hoo, my VNs aren't woke enough.
#8 by komatori
2019-07-29 at 13:03
>boo hoo hoo, my VNs aren't woke enough.
Has nothing to do with being woke or not, father-daughter-incest is for me what Ugly-bastard-netorare-hentai is for others. But If I try my best to ignore that fact I still have trouble to see why this Visual Novel is as good as many state. And til now many agree with me that it's just overrated. This is the first time in my life that there is such a huge discrepancy between my personal view and that of the majority. So I wanted to know why others liked it so much and hoped that some questions I had regarding the plot could get answered.Last modified on 2019-07-29 at 13:05
#9 by sakurakoi
2019-07-29 at 13:45
So I wanted to know why others liked it so much and hoped that some questions I had regarding the plot could get answered.
why hope for something that obviously will never come true? You should have known that you get vague answers at best because somehow no one wants to spoil something not even with spoiler tags. I'm not sure if it is due to fanaticism or fans being afraid of other fans because of the fanaticism... or both. Anyhow, a normal discourse about the plot and possible criticism is obviously taboo for works like these.Last modified on 2019-07-29 at 13:45
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#11 by yorhel
2019-07-29 at 14:01
Stop attacking people's preferences, please. Nothing good comes from that.
#12 by bobjr2000
2019-07-29 at 14:28
Komatori just going to have to let it go and accept that people often going to like or dislike things that majority don't agree with.(assuming you finished vn) You got your answers assuming and was no epiphany. Personal speaking you could name top 10 most popular vn of all time and I don't find them entertaining at all and no matter what explanation give most would just disagree with me and fine with that. No point in beating a dead horse.
#13 by laukku
2019-07-29 at 17:08
At least for me, the appeal of the epilogue aka true route was largely an emotional one - it is something to be *experienced*, and its values are largely lost if you try to coldly look at it only as a mere plot. I got intensely invested into how Takuya went through an emotional transformation by growing a family; the interactions and romance with him, Sayless and Yu-no were phenomenally cute and human. There are a great deal of lines and little character moments that reveal emotional depth, my favourite being when Takuya wishes Yu-no to start a happy family life of her own. The suddenness with how Takuya is thrust into a permanently life-changing situation I also felt nicely expressed the unpredictabilities of life. With the BGM that often plays ("Fountain") it becomes downright transcendent.

Another factor is the epic scope: you thought it was going to end soon after the ADMS section, then BLAM! A whole another journey begins, and it just continues on and on, keeping you on the edge of your seat, the distance to the ending unkown. A reoccuring motif accentuating the long time-frame is the characters nostalgically reminiscing what (to them) happened years ago, recontextualising what the player had witnessed only a few hours ago as distant memories, multiple times; this adds another subtle emotional layer.

I also thought the pacing and such were excellent, with good alteration of high and low moments, plenty of variety (desperate, serene, romantic, slice-of-life, tragic, expositional, adventurous, religious-political) and events leading to the next one quite smoothly (with less contrived plot events than other highly rated VNs I've read). A lot (but not all) of the answers I felt were well-integrated to the plot - for example, the purpose of the lightning generator is revealed by Takuya working at the slave camp. A lesser work would've told, not shown. A nice touch I noticed was that the timeskips up until Yu-no is a kid increase in an exponential fashion: real-time and detailed until Illia's death, then a few weeks to Takuya and Sayless growing close to each other, then about a year until Yu-no is born and finally several years until she is more grown up. We first spend some time accepting the setting change, and once that's sunk in it picks up. Moving on before the audience is ready would've been frustrating, and it's surprisingly hierarchically handled. No other VN I've read, especially any long one, has come close to handling pacing so deftly.

The incest I didn't mind (although I did roll my eyes at it). I've read vastly more "disgusting" acts depicted in other fiction. If anything, if a story does not attempt to portray *anything* that could be seen as offensive, I am tempted to regard it as simplistic and pampering. It's also handled with enough nuance and a bit of psychological depth to not completely dismiss it, although many people might've missed them.

I also guess I don't hold mystery fiction in particularly high regard, so I was more willing to accept the slight dwindling of mystery aspects and liked to focus on the other themes instead.

Finally, here's what Hardcoregaming 101 has to say about the epilogue and emotional investment:
But, it is also a massive game depending on how you would approach playing it. Of course there is the option to just see it as a hentai game and click through and quickly do away with the game, but the reward won’t be much to anyone’s satisfaction. YU-NO demands the fullest attention and requires some dedication, not through a steep learning curve or general difficulty, but to immerse yourself fully and feel the plight and troubles of the characters. For those who truly sit down with it and let themselves be taken emotionally along the ride, it’s one of the best crafted stories in game history and the true ending to the game is one of the most exhilarating and incredible experiences you will ever have while playing a video game.
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#14 by komatori
2019-07-29 at 17:40
@#13
I’m really thankful for telling me your thoughts on the game. I have to admit I can see it, I also liked the parts that you described. But I guess it just isn’t for me. I love the depiction of pure parental love between father and daughter more than anything. For them to throw it away and make something sexual out of it, just seems to me like a complete waste of potential. (And yeah it also triggers me)I really appreciate the enormous influence Yu-no had on the Visual Novel industry. And I loved the art style and the music. From now on I’ll also start to make notes when reading Visual Novel. I really wished I could love it. Maybe it’s also not good to start reading something with high expectations only because it has a high score on vndb.Last modified on 2019-07-29 at 17:41
#15 by xhunter
2019-07-29 at 18:07
This was released in a time when eroge were ALL about the sex, so of course lots of things that shouldn't have gone sexual did.

To me Yu-No is a masterpiece mostly for what it tried to be more than what it actually is. To this day visual novels with such a grand scale aren't common, so back then? This game must have been an otherwordly experience.Last modified on 2019-07-29 at 18:07
#16 by lexyvil
2019-09-27 at 02:33
To me it's a masterpiece in that it innovated the use of a flowchart, and each route explains bits and pieces of unexplained events found in other routes. The epilogue is a huge icing on the cake if you're a fan of the genre it drifts to. Never have I played a game with an epilogue as rewarding for this one, but I understand it may not be for everybody with the incest and the random oasis scene.Last modified on 2019-09-27 at 02:34

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