Can we get a H scene count stat?

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#1 by darksshades
2019-08-12 at 04:33
Is it only me that find this would be a good stat to be added?

The main reason I find this important is that getchu can be very deceptive at times. I've seen some games showing less than 10 images and having 80+ H scenes in it. And I've also seen some show 8 images(4 H images) that had 14 H scenes total.

It would be more helpfull than the "Low sexual content", "Sexual content" and "High sexual content" tags, as those are sometimes biased and depending on the length of the game it might change the number wildly.

Something similar to Length (Medium (10 - 30 hours)) would already be very usefull. Definitions like (bellow 20, 20-40, 40-70, 70+) would be great as they display a more concise data than the Sexual content tags that are dependend on the length of the novel.
#2 by sakurakoi
2019-08-12 at 04:55
Well, I already mentioned it before with neigh response...

Mind you that Base (H)CG count is much less deceptive and can be more accurately assessed. Although both stats most certainly can't hurt like a third, total CG count (with variations).

Like, what counts as a Base CG?
Any CG that is not a variation of another and neither a close-up of any body region (face, torso even with crotch, arms/legs even with torso/crotch). Kiss scenes are no count when indeed only the faces are shown. This is the approximate the actual work put into.

What makes or breaks the H?
The presence or lack of exposed breasts, buttocks, genitalia or bodily fluids besides sweat and saliva. Cut-ins in the scenes make it count as H.
#3 by darksshades
2019-08-12 at 07:35
I think merely a simple count of the number of scenes of the "Replay" section of the novel would sufice. Or an aproximation of that.

There are a few exceptions like link that count pantyshot events as scenes so it display's 90~ scenes when it really is more like 60~ of traditional H.

And games like alicesoft's ntr series like link that usually have 3 scenes using the same CG or little variation that makes them go over 100~ in the replay menu. In that case I'm not so sure how I'd count the total number.

And there are games from softhouse chara that does not differenciate H-scenes at all and simply list everything so counting the H would not be so easy.

I've seen some doujin novels displaying on the covers "Total CG" and "Base CG" but I'm actually against that. It does not represent the number of H scenes(read situations) at all as some scenes can have either one or several base CG's.

Anyways my point in all that was... There are indeed a few exceptions but I'd consider the grand majority of novel's "replay" section count as a good standart for most cases and would help assess the amount of H content the novel is focusing on. Apart from that a lax aproximation of the scenes would be more helpful than the current "Sexual content" tags.
#4 by kiru
2019-08-12 at 07:46
Counting scenes doesn't really work, as "what is a scene" can vary widely by VN.
Counting hcg is problematic, as it's not always obvious what that even is.
And none of this even helps you knowing how much story there actually is in comparison, something the tags actually should do, if they'd be used right.

Do we really need to do this? I think it'd lead to more problems than it would do good. I get that the tags feel extremely subjective, but if they are used as intended, they are the best way to tell you how much there actually is.

edit: Also CG sets/galleries exist, for those who need more details than most people. Total amount of unique CGs is also fairly whatever, as most full-price games have around 80, and if you have more or less: Tags are there.Last modified on 2019-08-12 at 07:49
#5 by lordnight
2019-08-12 at 10:38
For reference, how many H scenes a VN has to have in order to be tagged with High Sexual Content or Low Sexual Content ?
#6 by dio
2019-08-12 at 13:46
In my view, that is an excellent suggestion. It should be implemented.
These High/Low sexual content tags aren't really helpful.
And check the cg set is not enough.... Some h-scenes have +2 H-CGs and others have only 1 H-CG and variants... You can't tell the exactly number of h-scenes by checking the cg set.
#7 by weter
2019-08-12 at 14:40
Well, 3 H-scenes in VN can be High Sexual Content or maybe Low Sexual Content , depending on the duration, we conclude

And if you want to watch a unique amount of CG, you can watch it on sites like hitomi.la , similar CGs are grouped with unique there
#8 by sakurakoi
2019-08-12 at 15:18
And if you want to watch a unique amount of CG, you can watch it on sites like hitomi.la
Why not sadpanda? Oh mayhaps they could get shut down? You do know that the purpose of a db is to have all relevant data in one spot, yes? Needless to say, those sites for sure do not count and spoiler for obvious reasons. Or well, hitomi does time out for me and last time I checked it had no handy feature that sums up CG.

Many doujin works state the amount of up to all three (Base CG, Including Variations and Scenes) on their "package". That should be enough of a hint that for many this data is relevant.

Tags are there.
Where~?

I've seen some doujin novels displaying on the covers "Total CG" and "Base CG" but I'm actually against that. It does not represent the number of H scenes(read situations) at all as some scenes can have either one or several base CG's.

and... a CG can not be used for several scenes?
link / link

I see that you do not see the merit in just having both.
#9 by weter
2019-08-12 at 16:00
#8
Because the fact that the first appears on the list in the search is what I look at: [VN name] cg gallery. And first requests always e-hentai and hitomi
The grouping function appeared a couple of months ago
Well this is VNDB, not CGDB. Therefore, use a separate site to view CG galleries is normal

Anyway, I think that it will indicate some numbers, it will be too confused, because 20-30 unique CG will it be a lot for VN or not? For this, there is High Sexual Content which means that there are a lot of them, in addition, this indicates the entire length of the scenes that take up playing time and this is all that a person needs to know before choosing to read or not
#10 by yorhel
2019-08-12 at 16:03
Unless someone steps up to write sensible guidelines, to handle all questions and feedback regarding odd side cases (of which there are uncountably many) and to verify and moderate the contributed numbers, neither a scene count nor a CG count is going to happen.

Too much trouble for too little gain, I'd say.

EDIT: Yeah, this is the script size discussion all over again. I'd be fine with having that info in the database, but there's too many problems with sourcing the numbers.Last modified on 2019-08-12 at 16:11
#11 by kiru
2019-08-12 at 19:04
^You could say that scriptsize is actually still better, as the current system is so damn subjective, that a scriptsize count could not be worse. (and you can automatically translate it into average length in hours, so it's easy to at least somewhat understand for anyone)

We do have tags for how much adult content there is. And those should generally give a good idea how the CG ration is. If they really don't, then it's probably better to work at that.
#12 by darksshades
2019-08-12 at 22:23
I still feel that tags does not help very much in this. To give an example look at these 2 games:

Koukan no Toriko-tachi(link), Short (2 - 10 hours)),
Sexual Content(2.0)

Natsu no Kusari(link), Short (2 - 10 hours),
High Sexual Content(2.4)

Looking purely at the tags+content, you'd say Natsu no Kusari has way more Scenes than Koukan no Toriko-tachi but that's actually wrong.

Natsu no Kusari actually have(info from here link)
CG枚数 41枚(Ver.1.01)
エロシーン数 18本(すべて美月)

And Koukan no Toriko-tachi(info from here link)
CG枚数 51枚
エロシーン数
35本

While they are similar, Koukan no Toriko-tachi having Sexual content(2.0) is measleading in saying there are fewer scenes, taking a lower part of the gameplay. But Koukan no Toriko-tachi has almost double the number of H situations.
Then again High sexual content guidelines says it has to has to have 50% of gameplay time so its not that, as it has a nice amount of story in btween.
So even if you use the combination of length+tag its hard to estimate the number of H scenes.

I think at least an aproximation like length for the number of scenes is good to have, number of unique CG's or whatnot are okay to have but I feel that would would as some say be hard to control an might become convoluted.

But the H-scene aproximation I feel it's important, its at the very least a feel of how many H different situations are in the novel.

EDIT: got the wrong link so had to find another exampleLast modified on 2019-08-12 at 22:41
#13 by lordnight
2019-08-12 at 23:28
Then should we just change the tag descriptions?
like making approximations for Low Sexual Content and High Sexual Content .
Base on what #3 said, an approximation from the number of H Scenes at the replay section would most likely suffice.

@edit
screw it, the number of H Scenes varies from releases and some even add or subtract an/several/entire H Scene(s) from an entry.Last modified on 2019-08-13 at 01:39
#14 by being
2019-08-12 at 23:33
The full autism route and also the best route would be % of H in the script.
#15 by weter
2019-08-13 at 03:39
#12
Anyway, VN which, having at least 20-30 unique CGs, can be Low Sexual Content , because the number of CGs is not an indicator of the number of sex scenes and their duration, it can have only 1 sex scene in which 20 unique CGs will be shown in 5 minutes or may have only 3 H-CG total but it will be High Sexual Content because they will last 20 minutes each and VN itself will be a duration of 2 hours

And your example is just the wrong tagging and nothing else

I also have an example: Hara Kano!! ~Ano Ko To Lovelove Harabote Seikatsu~ - some people put tag High Sexual Content here. I completed 5/8 routes and I’ll say that each route I completed took about 1,5-3 hours of reading, but the duration of all sex scenes taken together in each route was about 10-15 minutes maximum (there were 3-4 sex scenes on the route, but they lasted for 3-4 minutes each), it is absolutely not High Sexual Content . But this is a mistake in understanding the tag, and not in the incorrect description

And the second example is an example of incorrect tags Kyonyuu Fantasy : (@skorpiondeath fake tagging) Heroine with Swimsuits - but there was only 1 scene in 10 minutes in which swimsuits were shown and that's it, Heroine with Zettai Ryouiki - there’s not a single heroine who wears a short skirt + stockings, Stockings - all the character’s sprites are just a little below the waistline, so stockings almost invisible even in sprites, and in the arts the emphasis is not on it, Nukige - why??? there’s a very interesting plot, about conspiracies, politics, rebellion and more, although there are a lot of sex scenes and emphasis on big boobs, but the plot here obviously plays a big role and this is definitely not Porn Without Plot, and I doubt very much about Anal Sex and Double Penetration (Group Sex) (I read the whole story but skipped some sex scenes), because there were clearly no hints of it (upd: but it turned out that there is 1 such scene), Airhead Protagonist (Silly or Foolish) - he is Carefree and Funny and I would say that obviously Smart when it is needed, but not Airhead Protagonist

The problem is that people do not always understand the meaning of tags, and not their inaccuracyLast modified on 2019-08-15 at 11:34

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