Bishoujo vs Otome game
|#1 by lmceachern|
2019-10-26 at 21:50
|Which game genre is better in terms of plot and characters? Also which genre is more popular? I would say Bishoujo games have the best story telling but I would say Otome games are more popular especially on mobile. What do you think? Thank you.|
|#2 by kratoscar2008|
2019-10-26 at 22:50
|I say Bishoujos are more popular considering how mobages/gachas are male protagonist focused and ho many male protag VNs are made.|
While the best well regarded VNs are male MC oriented i think that otomes usually have more interesting settings, characters and artstyle. Many VNs seems to have art that is far too similar and that doesnt stands much from its peer.
Talking of characters, most otome characters, mainly the men, usually look like adults or have an adult air to them which is something that i think most VNs/Bishoujos tend to avoid in favor of young looking heroines.
One thing i wish is that bishoujos had more nameable protags, many otomes have the heroine being nameable more often than not.
If i was bisexual i would probably lean more towards otomes but no so i give Bishoujo the win.Last modified on 2019-10-26 at 22:55
|#3 by fuukanou|
2019-10-26 at 23:10
|Tell you what though, it really kills me a bit inside how good otome game artists are and how they don't do bishoujo games. I agree it's totally up to them, but I'd be interested to see a bishoujo game in the art style of some of these otome games.|
|#4 by eacil|
2019-10-27 at 00:50
|I am sure both equally share the same level of stereotypes when it comes to characters. As for plot, I dunno but it's a given that otome have better settings so they have more opportunities to escape bland school romances and protagonist being assaulted in the street before being saved by the future transfer student. Add that more mature characters and they just win because of their outward diversity. On the downside, they appear to be mainly charage, so... it kinda atrophy all the potential edge they had.|
|#5 by kratoscar2008|
2019-10-27 at 08:03
Just look at the newest FE and how well the girls are received.
I wonder if maybe they just dont do porn seeing as how many of the most popular otome games are all ages.
|#6 by forever-here|
2019-10-27 at 08:32
|I haven't seen an otome plot where there's at least one male character being a whiteknight. you could say the same thing with bishoujo plot where there's at least one female lead being cutesy. or lolis. of course its dem lolis.|
but when I consider something like steins gate, sure you can argue there's the childhood friend and a loli, but that's not the main focus of the game. the focus is more on the sci-fi of things. the same can't be said to otome though.
|#7 by usuisorata|
2019-10-27 at 09:39
|Bishojo games are better since otome games the characters are too handsome and always handsome so it makes it boring. Bishojo ones is better cause personality and looks are more interesting. Genre wise bishojo ones is better|
|#8 by eacil|
2019-10-27 at 10:23
|Yeah, bishoujo games feature so many ugly heroines. Soo many.Last modified on 2019-10-27 at 10:23|
|#9 by butterflygrrl|
2019-10-27 at 12:11
|how many people actually play enough of both to have a good opinion on the range?|
i've only played a few otome games and only ones that appeal to my tastes, so i can't really say much about the vast majority of them.
about all I could say is that otome games seem to have less random fanservice getting in the way of serious plots. (It's totally fine to have a game that is all about fanservice and sex and so on, but it's occasionally frustrating when you're trying to play a serious bishoujo game and What Ho Surprise Boobs Ha Ha)
but of course there are tons of otome games that do not have serious plots to begin with.
|#10 by barfboy|
2019-10-27 at 19:17
|Plot, Otome games hands down.|
Characters, Bishoujo games hands down.
I have never found women's characterizations of the actions of men to be any good. I think too many women over generalize how men act. They seem stiff and unnatural. Overly aggressive, overly sexual, overly sensitive. The otome games I've read are awkward because I can't get behind how the men act, 'No man I have ever known would do this'. It breaks the immersion. The stories are great though.
Women do write bishoujo games, I don't know that many men write otome games.Last modified on 2019-10-27 at 19:21
|#11 by behappyeveryday|
2019-10-31 at 05:51
|Em, what? Just check the top 50 of vndb. There almost no otome games out there. This fact says it all.Last modified on 2019-10-31 at 05:51|
|#12 by kiru|
2019-10-31 at 09:20
|^Vndb's rating system favors amount of ratings quite hard. With the female userbase being small here, otome games will be underrepresented. |
It's a general issue. Ratings on vndb are basically useless as a result, as amount of ratings is a way too big factor.
Completely aside of that games don't get rated based on story alone.
|#13 by butterflygrrl|
2019-10-31 at 09:34
|#11 - lol. yeah, ask people who don't play otome games which games are best and surprise! they don't pick any otome games!|
you always have to take into account who's doing the ratings.
#10 - I've read tons of bishoujo games where i would say exactly that about all the female characters. 'No woman would ever behave like that.' But we shrug because it's a fantasy.Last modified on 2019-10-31 at 09:34
|#14 by barfboy|
2019-11-02 at 02:16
|I agree with you but while there are female authors who write bishoujo games I don't know that many men write otome games. So while some of the girls in bishoujo games may be realistic if my experience reading mountains of shoujo comics is valuable here none of the boys are.|
|#15 by kiru|
2019-11-02 at 12:33
|You don't necessarily want "realistic" in fiction. It may be realistic and quite possible that a major "villain" stumbles down the stairs and breaks their neck, but that'd be a rather lame ending, right? It may be realistic that characters get sick and have to spend their entire day on the toilet, but do you want to read about that? Or do you want a random sickness to get into a way of an important event? Realistic, but bad writing.|
Something being realistic isn't necessarily good. And gender of writers don't matter either. A good writer can write good characters regardless of their gender. From what I've experience, female characters written by women in VNs aren't any better. They can be good, or bad. Bad usually happens, when the women tries to "please" the male audience and writes characters in a way she thinks would be popular. Generally a bad way to create anything, yet a rather frequent one. Especially VNs suffer from character types and story layout being done before the writer(s) gets hired...Last modified on 2019-11-02 at 12:34
|#16 by saeryen|
2019-11-02 at 18:25
|My heart belongs to fantasy otome games.|
|#17 by behappyeveryday|
2019-11-03 at 05:38
|@12 Obviously, because main audience of visual novels is men, also otome games are rather a small percentage out of the total amount of vns, also because a lot of games aren't included in either category and romance is just a subplot in them (but they usually target male audience as well), while all otome games are romance based by definition. The thing is - there are countless romance novels for women on the western market, they are as popular as porn among men, but there are almost no romance novels for men, so visual novels are almost the only place where you can find decent romance if you are a man. Still, on such sites like novelupdates where a lot of web-novels both for men and for women, in general, all shoujo and yaoi novels are ALWAYS overrated, so you can make some conclusion about how women rate that they read. |
@13 Yeah, sure. There is almost no woman in real life who will act like the ones in romance games. There almost no women who are loyal to one partner which they meet in high school days, the average girl has at least 4-5 partners before she settles. In this sense, the most realistic games are netorare nukiges. There are no many girls who would act all shy and cute when someone sees their panties. There aren't many girls with strange and unique personalities, in realistic romance games almost all people would be almost the same as they are in the real world. Though I assume it goes both ways. Also, in games, girls often have a sense of humor and joke a lot (because writers are men). In reality? It is almost impossible to meet a girl who would be able to tell a good joke, basic level teasing (which is more often rude than funny) is usually their limit. If almost all female stand-up comedians are infamous for their terrible sense of humor then what you can expect from ordinary girls?
@14 Imagine reading realistic otome game... All guys are horny and want to fuck any more or less cute girl. All guys know if they are interested or not within the first few seconds of interaction. All "bad boys" and "handsome cool guys" are players who wouldn't settle for some random average female protagonist. I bet girls would hate this game.Last modified on 2019-11-03 at 05:51
|#18 by sakurakoi|
2019-11-03 at 07:07
|It's worth mentioning that fiction is more often than not about what should be and not what is (and obviously is =/= should). |
Romance in that regard is straight up about what one would like their partner to be while other genres are rather around what is interesting or entertaining in whatever way (if it is not educational/promotional).
There one also has to differentiate between writers who are and write voyeurism or those who "self-insert"/want to live in that world/with those characters while earning/deserving their place.
This is by the by the primary reason for choosing either third or first person perspective, however not all want some sweet romance and might actually want to escape their boring life and have something bad (but exciting) happen to them.
Both genre here very well show what many desire, which is not necessarily romance (especially when they are "all ages" work to begin with) but at least friendship/sibling relation. "Shota" characters are most often subject to that after all.
Boys don't want to be friends with girls though until they have their own lover for any female friend of theirs who is not utterly ugly/obese is a valid love interest. Girls do want to make friends with boys for various reasons of which some many one would find exploitative especially when he "gives" but she does not ("my existence is enough as a merit").
This does not necessarily mean he pays for her sometimes or always, not even just follow her whims (shopping bansai) but just him being interesting for conversation while he actually does not care what she says. That's already bad friendship which indeed, is often just accepted by the male when he has no lover and hopes her to become his.
This desperation is often mirrored in Galge where the girls basically abuse the protagonist, not rarely including DV.
At least there the heroines at least are supposed to have an interesting personality, even if it is a tsundere instead of a shameless bitch.
Masochistic Otoge (or anime, manga &c) obviously also exist and may even be R-18 (and I don't mean the doujin games with female protagonists getting violated never by the same person) but it is not like those are common.
Ultimately one can boil down most character to certain archetypes with or without sub-traits and Galge have more of those. Basically all which Otoge have but more as well with more sub-types.
Settings/Plot are actually more various in the Galge genre as well but merely more often seen. Otoge merely get more into the past while Galge then rather go into the future or rather than some known past it is medieval fantasy but not whatever period with fantasy elements.
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