Cups for All Ages
|#26 by sakurakoi|
2019-11-03 at 07:43
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hiding the gender behind a spoiler is itself also a spoilerNot if the spoiler is invisible just like for traits and tags (rather than description text which says "Here is spoiler")
edit: While for sex specifically (should have written so) there is again "apparent sex" still listed and when one chooses to spoiler it is revealed next to it. Not few characters have not listed a sex anyway so it is not really a spoiler and only "uncertain"
moar edit: To begin with several age, sex and measurements fields should be implemented just like in other db/wiki which consider time progression and don't see the need for more character instances when the changes or the appearance is too little. E.g link where vndb here should allow for more free typing as well yet make it still searchable.
Implementing flexibility by retaining searchability is a tough job but after all, you are paid now. As much as me actually... yet you don't work 6-10h a day, sometimes on all weekend additionally, on vndb. Yeah, I'm in a company darker than black.Last modified on 2019-11-03 at 07:53
|#27 by beliar|
2019-11-03 at 10:31
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Also, spoilered names? Aliases, I suppose.Yes, I meant that characters sometimes have other identities that simply cannot be added as aliases, because they are spoilers. Currently we either omit them outright, or add in the description field hidden behind spoilers. Creating a spoilered field under aliases would be an optimal solution.
Not if the spoiler is invisible just like for traits and tagsGender being invisible is definitely a spoiler in and on itself. On the other hand, if the character entry portrays "apparent sex", which changes to the real sex, when "show spoilers" is enabled, that becomes a non-issue.
Yeah, I'm in a company darker than black.Ain't you German? I thought you guys have high living standards...
|#28 by yorhel|
2019-11-03 at 10:45
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On the other hand, if the character entry portrays "apparent sex", which changes to the real sex, when "show spoilers" is enabled, that becomes a non-issue.I'm sure this UI will be a huge success.
Ain't you German?I've wondered about this before, but how do you seem to know and remember literally everyone's nationality? >.>
|#29 by warfoki|
2019-11-03 at 11:11
|< report >Wait, didn't you chose Beliar based on his CIA connections? I've been misinformed... :P|
And you can joke about that linked example, but I for one really think it would be an excellent way to handle surprise trap / futanari characters, because I can tell you that pretty much nobody is making instances just for that.
Like Michelle has futanari under minor spoiler and futanaris are usually treated as "Both" in the gender selection (though that's somewhat inconsistent as well). Nobody is going to make an instance with the exact same image, traits, etc. just to make a different gender. Way, WAAAAY too much effort and would clutter the database with utterly useless instances in the long run. The solution you mocked there would be pretty much perfect for cases like this.Last modified on 2019-11-03 at 11:11
|#30 by beliar|
2019-11-03 at 11:15
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I'm sure this UI will be a huge success.I love it! ♡♡♡
I've wondered about this before, but how do you seem to know and remember literally everyone's nationality? >.>If they have mentioned such a thing in a discussion I followed or participated in, I tend to remember that. Though I might be wrong on some accounts. :-P
|#31 by eacil|
2019-11-03 at 11:58
|< report >How do you guys expect him to guide the mob to the right migrants if he doesn't know what is the nationality of who in his neighborhood?|
|#32 by skorpiondeath|
2019-11-03 at 13:27
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I'm sure this UI will be a huge success.It will yorhel. I like it too.
Beside futanari like warfoki suggested there are also games where being female or male is a game plot twist so it becomes imperative to avoid to see the spoiler.
Check for example Fujisaki Chihiro it has been inserted correctly as a female and there is no spoiler reference to his male identity. In such cases having a real identity field could be the best option.Last modified on 2019-11-03 at 13:28
|#33 by beliar|
2019-11-03 at 13:45
|< report >@32: God, that particular character probably suffered more edit reversals regarding their sex, than any other trap in the database. They are a prime example why we need a spoiler field for sex.|
|#34 by skorpiondeath|
2019-11-03 at 14:29
|< report >@beliar: LOL for "For fuck's sake, check the fucking edit history!" and " No one checks the friggin edit history. This is a spoiler - don't add visible spoilers to the db!"|
|#35 by barfboy|
2019-11-04 at 00:46
|< report >I'm going to use 'assigned numbers' 'favorite numbers' and 'seating numbers' as age when it's obviously being used for that purpose.|
From the sources:
This is made obvious for characters like
who 'wishes her favorite number were 18 but it's still only 12'. That only makes sense if 'favorite number' = age
Edit: What do we do with characters who have a birthday?
should I make her 10 where she starts in the first game or 11 after her birthday in the second?
and for those interested, the youngest characters I know of would be the cats
Edit, edit. Oh crap! I read the thread and Yorhel wants 'assigned numbers' and 'favorite numbers' to not be included. Eep. I don't want to give you all more work. Can I just argue that two girls with the same assigned seating can't sit in the same chair? Or that a girl can't have her favorite number 12 when she wishes it were 18? These are obviously their ages. I just don't want to undo it without trying.
Two other questions.
What do we do with ages that are intentionally badly bleeped out?
where she's jyu...beeb... ni-nensei
Or ages we can work out with math
who 9 years ago was in kindergarten making her 14 years old, along with her friends who are 'ni ... beep ... nensei' making them either 2nd year high school students or second year jr high school students and their classmate is 14 so ... yeah. Or
who's mother died giving birth to her and who's mother died 13 years ago. You're 13 sweetheart. That's how numbers work. I would like to include those as well.Last modified on 2019-11-04 at 19:29
|#36 by saeryen|
2019-11-05 at 23:02
|< report >I've got an age issue for Destiny Ninja 2's protagonist. Technically she has three canon ages. In one of the Season 1 routes she says she "almost 20," which makes her 19. The Season 1 routes always end with her birthday, which means at the end she's 20, and the Season 2 routes take place 5 years after that, so she's 25 by then.|
What should I put? Are dashes allowed (so I could put 19-25)?
|#37 by barfboy|
2019-11-07 at 02:26
|< report >We have the same question. I'm just going with the first age given in the chronological first game they're in.|
I'm going to add the ages for Sakurai Shiharu, Akari, and Satou Kanae for now and just go with 10 for Shiiko. It's the simplest solution for now.
|#38 by substanceof|
2019-11-08 at 13:17
|< report >I'd also like to note characters like Tsugumi from Ever17. Even if we get age ranges, setting hers would be a spoiler, and another instance seems like an overkill since even the sprite is same|
|#39 by zakashi|
2019-11-13 at 18:54
|< report >About the age field, what if the character becomes older throughout the story? Do i leave the field in blank?|
|#40 by psychopatate|
2019-11-21 at 14:16
|< report >Hey I found a character who has an age above the limit x)|
Card Lady is 42000 years old and we can't put that in the new age field. It says "age: invalid number"
14099 years old is ok though.
|#41 by rampaa|
2019-11-21 at 20:06
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I'd rather have traits under Middle School Student and High School Student one for each year and then you search for them.I've just created the related traits.
|#42 by barfboy|
2019-11-22 at 06:58
|< report >That probably works rampaa but would we use 1st grader for only 1st grade elementary school or all classes that are first grade.|
Such as Pudding
Both of them are 1st year students, one is probably not in high school.
|#43 by rampaa|
2019-11-22 at 12:34
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would we use 1st grader for only 1st grade elementary school or all classes that are first gradeMy intention was obviously the former. Though if it's not clear enough maybe it can be renamed. Though I am not sure what would be the natural way of phrasing it.
First grade elementary schooler?
First grade student of elementary school?
First grade elementary school student?
Elementary school first grader?
First Grader (Elementary School)?Last modified on 2019-11-22 at 12:43
|#44 by barfboy|
2019-11-22 at 12:57
|< report >I admit it's obvious but I think you only need something on the 1st grade. If something can go wrong it will and someone will misunderstand it and mess the whole thing up.|
|#45 by rampaa|
2019-11-22 at 15:03
|< report >Should age field accept imprecise ages like 800+? (Case-in-point: Arcueid Brunestud)|
|#46 by saeryen|
2019-11-22 at 16:20
|< report >#45 Agreed, I have Yura and Gaku from Ayakashi Koimeguri as 1000 when really they’re 1000+|
|#47 by funnerific|
2019-11-25 at 18:38
|< report >Might be off-topic, but I've seen people remove "AA cup" traits and not replace them with anything because the official source says "AAA cup" and we don't have a trait like that. What do?Last modified on 2019-11-25 at 18:39|
|#48 by psychopatate|
2019-11-25 at 19:17
|< report >Removing the AA trait might be wrong, as the trait description says: "Don't try to guess a character's cup size unless it appears to be AA (very flat-chested)", so the trait can be used to identify flat-chested girls. But the cup size traits should soon be replaced with apparent size traits. But if the source says AAA you should still fill the new cup size field|
|#49 by kfc|
2019-11-28 at 22:56
|< report >switching these from 3rd-page traits to first-page fields makes total sense|
Now when using the "Filters" option at link I can see it now says "cup size min" and "cup size max" at the bottom.
It appears to be missing "min age" and "max age" fields though.
Could that be added as a filter too?
Also if there was some way to search for characters who have this field empty, so we know who needs that information added (if available).
Like for example if the default for age was 0, we could search for 0. If we actually need that for characters (newly invented robot maids?) then -1 could be the default and let us enter -1 to search for the default fields who haven't been corrected yet.
Or if you could somehow search for "null"
DelusionParadox (Nov 2) brings up a valid concern about spoilers. I think maybe a solve for that could be an "apparent age" field which is always visible, and then a "true age" field which is ALWAYS spoilered.
"Apparent age" is also a useful field for robots when we are given specific information about how old they are intended to look, like how Fubuki Yuna says "18 years old (in appearance)." and Mira says "24 Years old (appearance)."Last modified on 2019-11-28 at 23:19
|#50 by rampaa|
2019-11-29 at 01:10
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Or if you could somehow search for "null"You can actually do that with using query.vndb.org. This might help: link