Early beta: New lists feature

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#1 by yorhel
2019-11-10 at 15:47
I just uploaded an initial test version of the new visual novel lists feature. You can access it at the following URL:
https://vndb.org/u<USERID>/ulist
With <USERID> replaced with your numeric user id.

I've put this online to gather some feedback on its features and the UI. That list will eventually replace the visual novel list, wishlist and vote list features, so it's important that I cover all current use cases.

The list is stored in a different data model, so it's distinct from your current list. I've imported everyone's current data into the new list to have something to play around with, but keep in mind that changes made to that page will be lost (exception: release status does use the same storage and will synchronize between lists).

It's not currently possible to add VNs to the list, but you can remove items. Meaning, if you delete everything you're left without any data to play around with.

All feedback is welcome, though my primary goal for now is feature compatibility with the old lists.

With that said, happy testing!
#2 by fuukanou
2019-11-10 at 17:28
Why can you have Wishlist-[high/medium/low] enabled for a VN without Wishlist enabled?
#3 by yorhel
2019-11-10 at 17:57
Why can you have Wishlist-[high/medium/low] enabled for a VN without Wishlist enabled?
The high/medium/low labels aren't built-in labels, they're custom labels created for the purpose of converting your old wishlist. New users won't be getting those labels (but, of course, they can still be created).

If you do want to keep the high/med/low priorities without duplicate labelling, I suppose you can delete the medium label and use the built-in wishlist label for that purpose.
#4 by saeryen
2019-11-10 at 18:22
What do the speech bubbles and eyes mean?
#5 by adamstan
2019-11-10 at 18:32
At first glance I feel like I prefer to have separate "votes" and "wishlist" pages (current way), instead of having it all on a single list page with filters.Last modified on 2019-11-10 at 18:32
#6 by fuukanou
2019-11-10 at 19:04
#4, speech bubbles are for putting in your comments, I presume the eye means if others can see it.
#7 by donkeyskin
2019-11-10 at 19:55
Both the collapsible arrow and speech bubbles do the same thing: they show the note and the releases.
Would it be possible for example to change the behaviour so that the arrows only show releases and for the textarea note field to get shown only when you click on speech bubbles?

If this page is also going to replace the Votes page, it's currently missing the date when we cast the votes (different from the day we added the vn to our lists).
#8 by savagetiger
2019-11-11 at 01:15
Why can't you sort on label?
It just looks really messy when the default sort is alphabetical and it has your finished games and wishlist games all mixed together.
Also it could use the alphabet feature where you just click on the letter and it shows all games that start with that letter that is on the current vn list.
And you can't sort it to show only games with the current unknown status.
#9 by yorhel
2019-11-11 at 07:50
What do the speech bubbles and eyes mean?
Putting your mouse over an icon ought to tell you what it means, but it looks like I forgot that for the speech bubble. That icon indicates whether you've set a note, I put it there to make the notes feature more prominent, but it's actually kind of redundant.

Would it be possible for example to change the behaviour so that the arrows only show releases and for the textarea note field to get shown only when you click on speech bubbles?
Everything is possible, but I like having all information related to that list item in a single collapsible. I suppose I could reduce the size of the notes input field when it's not focussed to make more room for the releases.

If this page is also going to replace the Votes page, it's currently missing the date when we cast the votes
Indeed. The current data model keeps track of (1) added date (2) last modified date and (3) vote date, but I can't fit all that in a single table. I think I'll add customizable columns - would be a useful feature anyway, e.g. to add the global VN rating to your list.

Why can't you sort on label?
How would that even work with multiple labels? That's what filters are for. Though it may make sense to have a few quick-access 'views' so you won't have to click so many buttons to get the view you want. Would be especially useful in combination with customizable columns. But argh, why do useful user interfaces have to be so complex. :(

Also it could use the alphabet feature where you just click on the letter
Honestly, I'd rather replace that with a quick search or something. First-letter matching will largely break when we get the custom title display feature, anyway.

And you can't sort it to show only games with the current unknown status.
Time to add a filter!

Also, positive feedback is welcome, too. I can't tell if this feature is welcome or if I've been wasting my time. >.>
#10 by vario
2019-11-11 at 10:16
I like that it's easier to make a note now, but I'm not sure about having everything on a single page. It was fine with list/votes/wishlist pages.
#11 by donkeyskin
2019-11-11 at 20:43
I think this may be a bug... if I want to hide my wishlisted titles I unselect "Wishlist"... but unfortunately I also have to unselect all the other labels applied to those (Wishlist-High, Wishlist-Low, Wishlist-Medium) for it to work. Can't it be done without having to unselect all the other labels?

Also, I use a lot the alphabet sorting, it would be sad to see it gone.

Also, positive feedback is welcome, too. I can't tell if this feature is welcome or if I've been wasting my time. >.>
I do like the new custom labels, they're going to be very useful especially for the wishlist.
I'm still not sure whether I like or dislike a single page for the userlist/wishlist/votes, but the only issue I have is that I'm still trying to get accustomed to the new filters. I do understand the need of new filters, but it can't be denied that the current buttons are foolproof and immediate.
#12 by maggierobot
2019-11-11 at 22:58
#11, I think the Wishlist-Low/Medium/High are only there to convert our old lists into the new ones. I think we're free to modify/delete these labels later on so we only have one Wishlist label.

#9 I for one would really appreciate customizable columns. I'm seeing myself using global ratings for wishlists more than added/last modified dates.

I've been testing it for a while and I'm liking this new list more the more I'm getting used to it.
#13 by eacil
2019-11-12 at 00:01
Best feature addition since the staff addition.

"Start dates" and "Finish dates" are appreciated.
Date format is different when overing than when displaying. Please, not the American date format with the day in the middle. I couldn't believe something so r******d could exist when I saw it for the first time.

I am not fond of that overing behavior as you don't edit your list very often. It's hella distracting. It's the same problem as with the release + note double buttons, you mix up input with data display. When you want to check your releases, you don't want to find them sandwiched between a big textarea and a "Add release" text button. I suggest to have two buttons, one button to edit everything (the notes but also the dates and votes), and one which display only the releases, like before.

A Time Spent column would be appreciated. It could be interesting to have one of those to see if an average could replace the actual length field. Or at least put this new piece of data below the length.

About the problem of having everything together: I think a number of customizable left menu shortcuts would be great under a default My Lists. Ten?
For example, with the old model, I use my list only for "Playing". Otherwise I use "My Votes".
To get my Playing list, it's two clicks.
Now, it's a number of clicks to set and it's saved. Ok. But I use my Wishlist as much (and now it will be my WishlistS). So let's say I want my Playing list starting from another saved setting. It's four clicks every time I want to switch to a new mode. It's really annoying.

Instead, you would be able to click on whatever shortcut you set in your left menu. One click.
I would set Playing, Wishlist A, Wishlist B, Finished shortcuts. The Finished shortcut would be sorted by Started Date, the Wishlist by Added, etc.

Also, could we have a graphical mode?
Like the VNDB Extender add-on? I mean, it's so good.
One with a small cover column and one full grid like the VNDB Extender?
#14 by kumiko1
2019-11-12 at 08:44
When you update filters it should maintain whatever sort you have selected.

I'd also like to see sorting by labels, as it is there's no way to show your whole wishlist but with low/medium/high grouped together like before. For multiple labels you can just have priorities (maybe based on label order, and let you rearrange the order of your labels) and sort on the higher priority ones first.

I'd still like to see a way to customize pagination so I can see the whole list on one page, rather than having to go through millions of pages for large lists.

The other thing that might be useful is having access to normal visual novel filters so you can, for example, see all the VNs with a certain staff member that you've read and how you voted on each of them.

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