One tag here is probably misleading

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#1 by zakashi
2019-12-04 at 01:20
Hi, the g3139 tag is probably misleading here, according to the description, the game has to adapt the anime, but the plot of this game is original (i didn't play it but Arusu Maria is exclusive of the game so i can tell that it is original), it isn't related nor to the anime nor to the LN (then even Based on a Light Novel is not fitting according to this logic), people are tagging this way because it is set in the same universe of Date a Live, so From Other Media is a more fitting tag.
The same reasoning applies to other Date a Live games, if i am right i'm afraid people will keep tagging everything that has Light Novels, anime and manga with g3139, Based on a Manga and Based on a Light Novel.Last modified on 2019-12-04 at 01:20
#2 by rampaa
2019-12-08 at 12:57
I disagree. To give an concrete example, Sherlock (the TV series) is "based on" Arthur Doyle's Sherlock Holmes series and it is called an adaptation. Yet it certainly does not reflect the original stories at all, even the century differs. So I think applying these "based on X" tags in these situations is not wrong.

From Other Media might be more ideal but I don't think mods would approve to add everything that has manga or LN to there, so it does not seem very feasible to me.
#3 by zakashi
2019-12-08 at 13:17
Well, i'm not used to hear that everything set in the same universe is an adaptation, then what i wrote here is pretty much bullshit? But okay, so what do you think of creating a tag for games that actually follow the same story of another media? Such as this one apparently, making it a child tag for 'Based on X'.

From Other Media might be more ideal but I don't think mods would approve to add everything that has manga or LN to there
Why? Aren't anime and manga a different media from VNs?Last modified on 2019-12-08 at 13:29
#4 by rampaa
2019-12-08 at 13:34
I would not call it bullshit. It does explain why adaptations generally change things they change. But I kinda fail to see the point of you explaining it. Adaptations may change the story because of the things that you have listed, or they may just change it because they think it would be more fun or more relatable that way or they may create a new story with those same characters that was not shown in the original work because maybe people wouldn't buy the product otherwise. Any of these reasons (and probably much more) might be the reason. But they would be still "based on" that X nonetheless. So I think there's nothing wrong with how the tags have been applied.

As for having new tags to mark VNs that follow the original material strictly, I would not be opposed of such tags but I don't know how should they be named and what should their descriptions be to make sure people don't misuse them. And, at the end the day, it would be mods who would approve or reject such tags, not me. So give it a try!

From Other Media is used for specific titles not for generic things like "light novels", "manga" etc. And as for why I think they would not approve every specific title, because I believe there would be too many titles in that case. That is not the say I am opposed to it. If mods are willing to approve every title, I would happily use those instead.Last modified on 2019-12-08 at 13:36
#5 by zakashi
2019-12-08 at 13:51
I don't know how should they be named and what should their descriptions be to make sure people don't misuse them
'Faithful adaptation of other media' :D, in my language 'faithful' is the more commonly used term :)

Any of these reasons (and probably much more) might be the reason. But they would
be still "based on" that X nonetheless. So I think there's nothing wrong with how the tags have been applied.
Then, for example, Death note should be tagged both with 'Based on anime' and 'based on manga'? I tried to clear up this doubt that some other user had.

From Other Media used for specific titles not for generic things like "light novels", "manga" etc. And as for why I think they would not approve every tag because I believe there would be too many titles in that case.
I'm not sure if i understood your point, if some VN has a LN, then sure there is one or more specific titles for that VN, Saenai Heroine VN has a 'generic' media (LN), which is 'specific' (Saenai Heroine).

From Other Media might be more ideal but I don't think mods would approve to add everything that has manga or LN to there.
Other point, if a VN is the original title, then sure the tag is unfitting, because of this that Grisaia and other games don't have these tags, despite having anime, manga,...Last modified on 2019-12-08 at 13:53
#6 by rampaa
2019-12-08 at 14:04
'Faithful adaptation of other media'
How much faithfulness is enough? What makes something unfaithful? Describing those should be one of the main concerns.

Then, for example, Death note should be tagged both with 'Based on anime' and 'based on manga'?
If manga and anime differs too much then whichever is closer to VN should be used. If they are pretty much the same, then tagging it with both should be okay.

I'm not sure if i understood your point
My point is, From Other Media>Manga wouldn't be approved, if that was what you've suggested. And if you suggested adding the specific title, then I don't think they would add the all specific titles because there would be too much one-game-only titles. But it's just me guessing it, so take it with a grain of salt.

Other point, if a VN is the original title, then sure the tag is unfitting
As it should be. In order to say X is based on Y, Y should come out before X. Sorry if I was not clear about that.Last modified on 2019-12-08 at 14:06
#7 by diabloryuzaki
2019-12-08 at 14:08
i'm pretty sure that vn date a live series is based on a light novel only because it start from light novel first then it get anime to adapt 3/4 volume, after that vn adaptation appear. this case is similar with vn angel beat first beat that based on an anime only

the weird things is why a vn can get tag "based on" manga, anime and light novel at the same time? didn't the tag "based on" should be used to point an original source from a vn that become main base to it? unless a vn have some relation to anime, light novel or manga then it will be reasonable
#8 by rampaa
2019-12-08 at 14:21
the weird things is why a vn can get tag "based on" manga, anime and light novel at the same time?
Because that may not be incorrect, unless it's very clear that it follows a certain source. And that can only be the case if the other sources adapted it pretty liberally so we can say with certainty that it doesn't follow those other sources.

Take High School DxD as an example. DxD is originally an LN. The anime adaptation of the first season was pretty faithful. So saying High School DxD is based on the anime is correct (hell, even the description says as such), saying it is based on the LN is also correct because the anime itself is based on the LN (and pretty faithfully as well, IIRC), so what's wrong with tagging it with both?Last modified on 2019-12-08 at 14:22
#9 by zakashi
2019-12-08 at 14:26
How much faithfulness is enough? What makes something unfaithful? Describing those should be one of the main concerns.
Yeah you're right.

If manga and anime differs too much then whichever is closer to VN should be used.If they are pretty much the same, then tagging it with both should be okay.
Yeah i agree, but other editors won't apparently.

didn't the tag "based on" should be used to point an original source from a vn that become main base to it?
Well, i personally won't edit this way, if, by hypothesis, a FMA VN adapts the first anime of FMA, i'll put the 'based on anime' tag, and NOT the 'based on manga'(even despite the manga being the original), since the anime differs from the manga from one point, addind 'based on manga' would be a little unnecessary since 'based on anime' would do the whole job, but i won't rant around anymore if someone puts the 'based on manga' tag since they would be the same at the beginning of the story, and will have their similarities, this is a bit subjective as rampaa said above, which is fine.Last modified on 2019-12-08 at 14:33

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