Some tag voting changes

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#1 by yorhel
2020-01-28 at 15:49
I've just pushed a new tag voting interface. It's mostly the same as the old one, but the -1 and -2 options are not available anymore (they make no sense) and downvoted tags are now hidden by default.

I almost always break something with each update, so if you find anything weird let me know.

If this interface sticks I hope to add tag comments next.

(And why am I not posting this in "Announcements"? I've no clue...)Last modified on 2020-01-28 at 15:49
#2 by naiohoras
2020-01-28 at 16:01
just a typo for "minor spoiler" (it's written as minior spoiler right now). other than that, I don't have any objection to the new update.

oh right I have a question, what happened to the ones that already vote -1 -2? did the vote just got removed or moved immediately to -3?Last modified on 2020-01-28 at 16:09
#3 by yorhel
2020-01-28 at 16:12
d'oh that typo.

what happened to the ones that already vote -1 -2
They're still -1 and -2 when it comes to calculating the average score, but they appear in the interface as if they're equivalent to -3.
#4 by rampaa
2020-01-28 at 16:31
For some tags (e.g. Only Virgin Heroines) voting with 1-3 system doesn't make any sense either. So ideally speaking, some tags should be marked as binary in nature and should be voted as such. I do not know if you are already planning to do that but since you are fiddling around with the tag voting interface, I just wanted to bring it up.Last modified on 2020-01-28 at 16:33
#5 by ecchihieronymus
2020-01-28 at 17:04
Have never voted on tags but I really like rampaa's idea about having certain tags be binary.Last modified on 2020-01-28 at 17:05
#6 by alto
2020-01-29 at 19:01
Looks good and haven't found any issues so far :) Would tag comments be on the "Who?" link page similar to the notes user VN lists now have?

@4 Anything with a positive vote score is "true" for those, the score still communicates the relvence/prevalence like other tags. E.g. If you only knew the heroines were virgins by reading their profiles on the official site and not from the VN itself, it wouldn't seem odd to vote a 1. Not against it but I can't really see the benefit.

This leads to me wondering if there's a way to squeeze the tag score voting descriptions from d10#2.1 into the UI when you hover over them. Maybe even entirely do away with numbers in the UI like spoilers? Might make it easier for users to know what each score is generally supposed to mean.

Lastly, is there a way to vote the spoiler but not the tag itself? I come across VNs I haven't read yet which have tags marked incorrectly like something in the VN description or cover voted as a major spoiler. Providing its not a terrible idea/hard to implement/not possible due to how votes are stored, I would welcome it.Last modified on 2020-01-29 at 19:02
#7 by saeryen
2020-01-29 at 21:18
I like these changes.
Though I think we should also be able to vote on what is shown in the summary re t950.668 point 2.
#8 by ramaladni
2020-01-29 at 21:49
That was unexpected.Last modified on 2020-02-03 at 21:08
#9 by yorhel
2020-01-31 at 18:15
some tags should be marked as binary in nature and should be voted as such
I think I've seen this mentioned at some point, but it didn't make it on my todo list. That must means I've had some doubts.

Seems like a reasonable (though not super important) proposal, but I'll let our current tag mods be the judge of that - they'll be the ones using it.

Would tag comments be on the "Who?" link page similar to the notes user VN lists now have?
That's the idea. In the future I'm also hoping to make these comments easier to access from the main VN page, so that you can get details about why it's been tagged like that more easily, but the initial implementation won't be as fancy.

This leads to me wondering if there's a way to squeeze the tag score voting descriptions from d10#2.1 into the UI when you hover over them.
Some more guidance may be useful there, indeed; But the current guidelines are... not that great.

Though I think we should also be able to vote on what is shown in the summary re t950.668 point 2.
Disagree. I'd rather have a better tag display than the current tag cloud thing. Possibly more organized and personalized - which tags are important vary a lot per person, after all.
#10 by saeryen
2020-01-31 at 20:29
#9

Yeah, comments would be realllly nice, especially since some "X hero(ine)" tags start out spoiler but as new characters are introduced (as in most online mobile otome games) they lose their spoiler status, like in Destiny Ninja 2 "Villainous Hero" was a major spoiler until Mitsuru showed up, who is revealed to be a villain in his introduction unlike Rindoh. We could tell each other "please revote for no spoiler because of X game change."

As to the summary thing, yes, importance is subjective, though I think for a game like Ayakashi Koimeguri where the "Youkai" tag basically describes the game's whole point we can all agree that should be in the summary (I mean, someone might disagree but for this particular situation I really doubt they would).Last modified on 2020-01-31 at 20:30
#11 by warfoki
2020-01-31 at 22:44
Honestly, both the tag cloud and the character trait arrangements are... messy and not that useful. If I want to know whether a tag or trait is present for a VN or character, I find it MUCH simpler to just go to the relevant edit page, as there I get simple list in alphabetic order, which is a million times more manageable that the messy main displays. Of course the downside is that this exposes me to otherwise hidden spoilers.

Like, let's play a bit of game as illustration. Look for 3 traits on the character page I link, two will be present one will not: Standing Sex, Old Type School Swimsuit and Group Sex of Multiple Females and Males.

Page: link

Now you tell me, where was this easier to check: the actual character page with its trait clouds or in the trait edit history above it?

Tag clouds are the same, just much, MUCH worse, since there are only 3 groups instead of 11.Last modified on 2020-01-31 at 22:45
#12 by seraphic
2020-02-03 at 09:51
To put in my two cents, I do appreciate the simplicity of just having a single minus vote. Hiding the downvoted traits was also a nice touch.

I wasn't a terribly huge fan of splitting the sexual traits into the single/double/etc categories the last time there was a change up, but then again, I've never particularly searched by those traits so maybe I'm just failing to see the utility.

Personally, while I'm not against the idea of binary tags, I'd advocate using them more for technical tags while leaving the content tags alone.
#13 by mcmullengage
2020-02-05 at 02:46
Every time I try to modify a tag, my revisions don't save. It's been like this since the update was pushed.
#14 by yorhel
2020-02-05 at 07:44
Every time I try to modify a tag, my revisions don't save.
Just to be sure: you are pressing the "save changes" button, right? Any errors being displayed when you do that?
#15 by mcmullengage
2020-02-08 at 04:54
No there weren't any errors when I did it. It just didn't save.
#16 by yorhel
2020-02-08 at 06:48
That's... very strange. Do you get a loading indicator + page refresh at least? Which browser are you using? Have you tried different one?
#17 by yorhel
2020-02-09 at 10:35
Alright, notes field has been added. Notes are currently only displayed in the tag link browser (e.g. the "Who?" link) and in the tag vote editor. I'd like to display them on VN pages as well in some advanced view or perhaps on mouse-over, but I still need to figure out a good interface for that.
#18 by naiohoras
2020-02-09 at 12:56
great! it will be a really useful feature in situations.

I've tried it earlier, but it has a problem. whenever I'm typing if I accidentally hover my cursor on a link somewhere else the typing will get cancelled. the draft will not get deleted though but I need to click the "note" icon again to resume typing. it's really annoying.

EDIT: is it just me or the note written doesn't even appear on the "who?" page?Last modified on 2020-02-09 at 13:02
#19 by yorhel
2020-02-09 at 15:36
is it just me or the note written doesn't even appear on the "who?" page?
It will, once someone has saved their notes... Did the notes not save for you somehow?

EDIT:
whenever I'm typing if I accidentally hover my cursor on a link somewhere else the typing will get cancelled
Should be better now.Last modified on 2020-02-09 at 16:57
#20 by naiohoras
2020-02-10 at 07:51
It will, once someone has saved their notes... Did the notes not save for you somehow?
so just to verify that you need to click on the "note" icon and write your comment there, right? after that you just hit enter or just click away to save it, right? well, somehow the comment didn't appear on the "who?" page at all. I have tried several other things to check like checking my connection, doing it in my phone, trying on the other tags and the other VNs, but the problem still persist nonetheless.

just in case, this is the tag I tried the most to note link

btw, my browser is Firefox so it should be fine, right?Last modified on 2020-02-10 at 07:55
#21 by yorhel
2020-02-10 at 08:04
after that you just hit enter or just click away to save it, right?
Like all other columns in that table, it's saved only when you hit the "Save changes" button.

I'll see if I can implement an autosave feature, guessing you're not the only one who's confused by this.
#22 by naiohoras
2020-02-10 at 08:35
ah... that makes sense. I'm really used to the autosave feature when choosing labels and assigning score for VN so it totally flew over my head lol

I have a suggestion, maybe you should put a notification like "a change has been made, you need to save first to apply the change" or something when editing tags, traits, etc.

anyway thanks for the clarification and the update.
#23 by naiohoras
2020-02-16 at 02:54
I just noticed that when you downvoted a tag you cannot put a comment? is this deliberate? it doesn't make sense 'cause now I can't explain the reason I downvoted it.
#24 by yorhel
2020-02-16 at 07:42
Fixed.

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