Game really could have been an 18+ title

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#26 by mrkew
2020-02-11 at 22:32
The only people who are against H-scenes are the ones incapable of self-inserting.
#27 by misso
2020-02-11 at 22:52
That comparison is misleading.
Well sure, but I think my point still stands. You're all trying to milk something pretty unreasonable out of this game. It's basically like #19 said.
it was so strangely edited that even i felt that something got cut off
It didn't feel that way to me at all... Really, they just cut in the middle of the kiss scene to the next one to add to the comedic effect. It's obvious there is something they didn't show us, and that is so they can jokingly make it seem like they had sex.
You could say exactly the same thing about all slice-of-life...
Well, I mostly still think of those slice-of-life scenes and other variations of scenes with low relevance to the main plot as story, because as you said they actually boost the efficacy of it. I honestly can't think the same is true for H-scenes. I really doubt any of them was ever made with the intent of adding anything of significancy to the narrative or the characters. Maybe the fact that sex occurs does, but never the scene itself. They're there for us and that's all there is to them.
I also don't think sex is that important to a relashionship, at least not enough that a depiction of it becomes essential to express realism.
Umm all that said, I don't really hate H-scenes. I think they're worthless in a general way but when they are convenient and well done they are almost a godsend. I just think you're all being pretty unfair to the game.
#28 by leonardo7899
2020-02-11 at 23:08
27# Actualy i liked the game , i am not trying to be unfair to the game , it's really not bad , but the game lost a lot of points with me because of this "supposed" sex scene that felt really strange , i really don't care about the set on itself but i care about the story or something that got cut off for some reason and paste with some random comedy about the topic , i feel you on the part that sex is not important on any relashionship but i can't stress far enough on how it is really sad that the game could have gone a different way, like i've said sex it is not important but when you remove one thing you have to add another on the same level and that comedy part after the heavy kissing felt really strange to me personally, but hey i am not going to deny that i prefer h scenes than some comedy about the topic and fan service , but i am not going to cry about being all ages since i played a lot of them too and enjoyed.
#29 by berunka
2020-02-12 at 22:00
Dude, it was just one scene. How the hell this game lost a lot of points for one "supposed" sex scene.
#30 by setsunachan
2020-03-09 at 01:13
I don't really care about sex scenes either but sometimes it is nice to see them - if they are well-written, and if there is buildup to it. I don't mind fade to black.

I agree that sex isn't that important to relationships. After all, many people are asexual.

With that being said, I do enjoy sex and to me, in real life, it is important but not essential. I just don't like erotic scenes most of the time, in any kinds of media.
IMO I think this game would have suffered if it contained ecchi. I wasn't even expecting the fanservice lol.

I haven't finished the story yet, am still reading.Last modified on 2020-03-09 at 01:16
#31 by literallolicon
2020-03-09 at 08:43
criticize me all u want but who the @!#$ play Key VN for 18+ content?
#32 by jarly
2020-04-28 at 13:03
> Movie watchers: "People kissed and then sex was implied, but not shown? It's totally okay."
> Book readers: "People kissed and then sex was implied, but not described? Yes, it's fine."
> Eroge readers: "People kissed and then sex was implied, but not shown? Nooooooo! How am I supposed to fap to this? I feel really turned off now."
Oof, dudes, seriously?
Your brains were consumed by porn or something?
> "But it's a visual novel! And visual novel isn't supposed to have off-screen sex! It must be full-fledged h scene! It totally feels edited!"
No, it is not. You think this way only because you read way too much porn novels. Explicit sex scenes aren't necessary for writing good romance plot.
Actually, I have strong respect for Key because they don't take into account opinions of coomers.
#33 by gerardlonewolf
2020-04-28 at 14:18
Gosh, people actually want to see h-scenes on Key's VN? Apocalypse is near.
#34 by ichigokami
2020-06-25 at 15:53
I wish people werent such surface level thinkers and could link game quality or in this case H scene quality to writers and illustrators rather than developer, which in Summer pockets case has experienced H scene makers in both departments. Niijima Yuu and Kai can and have both written good H scenes in their other games so has some of the illustrators. The Key H scene meme applies to guys like maeda who can't write H for shit. Ao definitely should have had a H scene especially since Kai wrote the route.Last modified on 2020-06-25 at 15:56
#35 by ichigokami
2020-06-25 at 15:56
Fuck implied sex, the standard for the medium and something some people here might not want to admit as a quality that sets this medium apart from movies and to some degree books is the sex scenes being on screen.
#36 by literallolicon
2020-06-25 at 17:34
Explicit sex scene equals "qUaLiTy" huh? But I'm not even surprised, the whole VN industry is pretty much sustaining itself on some big titties girl at this point. Such a shame for what is supposed-to-be a plot-oriented medium.Last modified on 2020-06-25 at 17:35
#37 by ichigokami
2020-06-25 at 18:51
read my comment again. But just in case english is a bit difficult for you, I said "Its a quality" it doesn't mean its existence decides if its a quality game or not but rather its a nice thing about the medium and i said its something that sets it apart especially letting us avoid shitty half assed fan service like we got in sumpok, if they were gonna do what they did in Aos route they should have gone all in, hell i'd rather they remove that shit if Key wants to keep it All ages. Just having shit like that makes it obvious that Kai had some H scenes in mind.

Also plot oriented medium? Most of the medium is either porn focused nukige or character focused charage or more commonly the sub genre moege. So idk what you're on about mate.Last modified on 2020-06-25 at 18:59
#38 by literallolicon
2020-06-26 at 03:46
Maybe you should read my comment again, no? I "expect" the medium to be plot-oriented, but ended up disappointed because people are stressing too much on the "visual" part, not the "novel" part. Btw, care to explain how is "setting the medium apart" better off with the usage of porn as a "quality"?
#39 by ichigokami
2020-06-26 at 04:38
no one is "stressing too much" on the visual part anyway, no one is saying its bad for not having H scenes just that they would rather have them than the half assed garbage they pull in Aos route. "porn" is important in games with a decent amount of romance cause sex is an important part of most relationships, having it be explicit is a lot better than implied BS especially with a visual medium, by default its a lot better to show rather than tell in literature and Visual novels being a visual medium has the tools to do so in more cases.Last modified on 2020-06-26 at 04:46
#40 by kiru
2020-06-26 at 06:18
^There's no need to "fade to black", but there's just as little need for actual adult content with the intent to get people off. Sex doesn't need to be super explicit to just have it for character development. Ao's route didn't consider it important enough to talk more about it. Simple as that.

If you want adult content, that's okay. But at least be honest when it comes to why. You think Ao is hot and want to see adult scenes with her.
#41 by mrkew
2020-06-26 at 12:58
#40
On some level, I pity the people who are incapable of experiencing romance in VNs the way they are meant to be - through self-insertion. At the very least, the first time, as a big relationship milestone, should most definitely be depicted to allow for proper romance experience.
#42 by sleppibunni
2020-06-28 at 22:47
so many coomers in this thread...
#43 by kiru
2020-06-29 at 06:13
@41: You have 0 imagination. You might want to fix that.

Anyway, we are talking about VNs here. The adult scenes are commonly written by other people, are out of character and only exist for pleasure reasons. Let's not act as if these scenes are written for story purposes. It's just not true, in the large majority of cases. People don't skip them most of the time without reason. If you don't want to "use" them in the way intended, they don't offer anything of value.
So, again. If you want them, fine. But at least be honest about why. There are always exceptions to this, but Key games definitely aren't part of those.

You are really better off filling in the gaps yourself, if they are so important to you.Last modified on 2020-06-29 at 06:14
#44 by mrkew
2020-06-29 at 09:37
#43
You don't need to repeat your points as they are wrong. H-scenes are an irreplaceable part of romance VNs; they are the reason this medium is superior to all others in telling romance stories. The defloration scene usually brings the highest level of ichaicha in any given route.
#45 by yorhel
2020-06-29 at 09:48
Oh please. Stop stating opinions as facts and stop trying to force your opinion on others. I'm so tired of that crap.

Some people prefer porn in their VNs (for entirely valid reasons), others don't (for similarly valid reasons). Stating and discussing your opinions and reasons is fine, pretending that your opinion is the only valid one is not.
#46 by literallolicon
2020-06-29 at 10:32
#44 Since when H-scene is "irreplaceable" in a romance story? Because it satisfies the horniness looking at pretty much any girls in a VN? Now that's just... absurd, considering the choice is a Key VN in the first place. If we are discussing this in a, say, Yuzusoft VN, then it might be ok. Btw, other media, like anime and books, do not contain H-scene since it's not allowed by the government, so you may want to keep that "visual novel's superiority" to yourself.
#47 by mrkew
2020-06-30 at 10:36
considering the choice is a Key VN in the first place
A Key VN with heavily implied sex during the story. You are just spouting a meme which existed because of Itaru's art.
Btw, other media, like anime and books, do not contain H-scene since it's not allowed by the government
Many anime and LNs contain sex scenes, albeit without showing even censored genitalia, but they are not used for romance purposes most of the time. Of course, there are rare exceptions like Mirai Nikki or Koi Kaze.

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