The future of NSFW
|#201 by yorhel|
2020-03-03 at 14:09
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If I were to substitute the word "death" with "torture", do you think it would be a false statementIt would not be a false statement in the sense that the statement said nothing about whether it should be "violent" or "brutal", but that's pedantry. :)
I do certainly think that torture in itself scores a lot less on the violence scale than actions leading to death.
|#202 by skorpiondeath|
2020-03-05 at 20:27
|< report >Even if partially out of topic I think we should have the sexual flag (Safe,Suggestive,Explicit or just Safe,Explicit) for character images too. To avoid useless cropping of images.|
|#203 by naiohoras|
2020-03-10 at 09:45
|< report >link I just want to share this amazing VN's title which fit this thread perfectly.|
|#204 by rampaa|
2020-03-23 at 05:31
|< report >Just going to point out some rules I disagree with.|
Front covering swimsuits (including the school swimsuits in two parts, and normal full cup bikinis should be considered safe, unless they are stretched by visibly erect nipples.Disagreed. See: t13541.134, t13541.137, t13541.139
Wearing a bath towel that covers everything without showing implicit anatomy, should be treated the same as wearing a swimsuit and be "safe".Disagreed because of the same reasons above.
Erect nipples that only mildly stretch the material can still be considered "safe", in case of the image lacking any other suggestive elementsDisagreed. I think the presence of pronounced nipples should always make the image at least suggestive.
|#205 by beliar|
2020-03-23 at 16:53
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Front covering swimsuits (including the school swimsuits in two parts, and normal full cup bikinis should be considered safe, unless they are stretched by visibly erect nipples.The issue is highly debatable. No matter what each side says, it's impossible to fully agree on this issue, as the people have very different ideas what "suggestive" means.
Disagreed. See: t13541.134, t13541.137, t13541.139
You said that you don't see much difference between link and link, while to me the difference is immense and I would consider the second picture safe.
The swimsuits are more socially acceptable than underwear in public, and while I get your point that the acceptability is highly dependable on the context, I still don't see most swimsuits as "suggestive"
But that's the beauty of voting in regards to image flagging. The so called rules are only guidelines, and people will judge each individual picture by themselves. If most people say the picture is "suggestive", it will be suggestive. The mods will only step in if the image is very clearly incorrectly labeled or there is a huge discrepancy between the votes.
Wearing a bath towel that covers everything without showing implicit anatomy, should be treated the same as wearing a swimsuit and be "safe".I personally haven't seen a single bathtowel image I would consider "suggestive", but that's just me.
Disagreed because of the same reasons above.
Disagreed. I think the presence of pronounced nipples should always make the image at least suggestive.I personally think there is a huge difference between the images like link and link. The little nubs in the second image do not qualify for "suggestive" as far as I'm concerned. But as I said, people will vote.
|#206 by skorpiondeath|
2020-03-23 at 17:05
|< report >Thing is rampaa that we don't want to fill guidelines with every kind of possible outcome. There are images that can be suggestive or highly sexual even respecting the "safe" guidelines.|
Check for example our supreme goddess Mamiya Marie (link) that image is overly sexualized even without considering the panties sneak peek.
There will always be some degree of personal interpretation, so there will be cases where people will fight over what "pronounced" in pronounced nipple will actually means. Having the voting system helps in that regard, because after enlighten users with major guidelines that should be respected than minor details are of personal judgement.Last modified on 2020-03-23 at 17:06
|#207 by literallolicon|
2021-01-11 at 11:50
|< report >Sorry if this is considered necro, but how is this picture got flagged as Explicit (the first NSFW pic in this VN)?? Something I didn't notice here?|
|#208 by yorhel|
2021-01-11 at 12:08
|< report >link - savagetiger marked it as explicit. He usually has a good eye for that, but... no matter how hard I look I don't see a problem either. Overruled it as safe.|
|#209 by mrkew|
2021-01-11 at 12:13
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A better question would be what is the point of us voting on these images when mod vote has such a huge weight that it hardsets the picture to explicit (2.0) even when the mod doesn't use override, when average vote of 11 people on the pic was 0.36.Last modified on 2021-01-11 at 12:31
|#210 by yorhel|
2021-01-11 at 13:02
|< report >Meh, that's a matter of tuning. Right now mod votes are only given more weight when their vote is higher than average, so it adds a strong bias towards being more conservative. Lower or equal mod votes weight the same as everyone else. I did that because it's not all that uncommon for a majority to miss something, and a mod voting explicit is usually a strong indicator that something is off.|
I'm open to other ways to tune the algorithm though. I had the initial idea of using a bayesian weight biased towards being conservative, perhaps that's still an okay idea.
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