MG Survey 2020

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#1 by eacil
2020-02-29 at 02:19
< report >This time of the year where you vote for [strike]Rance[/strike] Evenicle 2, Fate/Stay Night and White Album 2.

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#2 by messiahprinny
2020-02-29 at 02:48
< report >I voted for Shingakkou, Kusarihime, and Chronobox.

I was going to vote for Hechima but I thought why throw away two votes.
#3 by curious
2020-02-29 at 02:49
< report >Here we go... Another year voting for Amakano series and more Propeller...
#4 by ecchihieronymus
2020-02-29 at 03:00
< report >Voted for more AliceSoft: Heartful Maman, Oyako Rankan and Tsumamigui 3. Even though I've already got all 3 of these xDLast modified on 2020-02-29 at 03:02
#5 by jazz957
2020-02-29 at 04:42
< report >I wonder if Tsui Yuri ~Okaa-san ni wa Naisho da yo~ counts as a relationship with eye★phon or Ranba Amuse. Because if it's the latter (evil smile).
#6 by periah250
2020-02-29 at 05:03
< report >I voted shuffle essence +
#7 by risus
2020-02-29 at 09:46
< report >Thanks! Voted.
#8 by lucumo
2020-02-29 at 09:59
< report >Participated just to say that their physical releases suck and that their translations are meh. Though, gotta love how "How many visual novels have you purchased in the last year?" ends at 6+. Why is there a 0, 1 and 2 option? 6+ could mean 7, 20, 50 or 100 which are pretty different. As someone that has purchased over 60 (didn't count) in the last year, those options are a joke.
#9 by artumis
2020-02-29 at 10:22
< report >Well, I figure any 'voting' system where I'm free to name pretty much any title is more of a "content suggestion" than an actual vote (unless something proves particularly popular). I considered some more outlandish titles like Konchuu Kansatsu but Hechima is ostensibly more acceptable so I'll throw away a vote to at least express a desire for that kind of content. Mangagamer already has a relationship with AliceSoft so Oyako Rankan is well worth a vote. Considered suggesting an Appetite trap title, since they've done a few of Appetites games in the past, but figured something like Ani Love was a better pick.
#10 by altonan
2020-02-29 at 10:41
< report >@8 Wait, so assuming that the average VN costs between 20-50 American dollars on Steam, MangaGamer and DLsite and for around 2200 yen (approximately 20 American dollars), with some simple maths that equals 1200 dollars. And that's being generous and assuming you brought VN's on the cheap side. You're telling me you spent at least $1200 in a year alone on VN's and that MangaGamer's expectation on how many VN's people buy per year are unrealistic?Last modified on 2020-02-29 at 10:41
#11 by lucumo
2020-02-29 at 11:03
< report >@10: Disregarding me (though, I spent more along the lines of 4000€ for physical VNs), their six VNs still only amount to like $180, looking at the prices on digital stores. That's basically nothing (maybe three new console games), considering how much money people spend on games these days.
#12 by altonan
2020-02-29 at 11:24
< report >@ 11 Buying between 0-6 VN's costing between $20-50 is a much more realistic number then I'd say any number over 10. According to statistics provided by the ESA, the average American gamer spends 216.64 dollars on games per year. Of course you hear the stories about whales and how some kid maxed out their parent credit cards on microtransactions, but the truth this those people are the minority.Last modified on 2020-02-29 at 11:25
#13 by kiru
2020-02-29 at 11:42
< report >I try to hold back, but even I bought like 6 in the last two months alone. Was less than 100 bucks though. Half of the 6 were older games on sale. The other half newly released on Steam. I have yet to play one... which is why I try to hold back.
Today's purchase will be played today though. Guaranteed. I hope. Hah....

Anyway, not going to vote, as I don't really need translations. I like how more and more Steam VNs have JP options, but I don't think Mangagamer can provide that easily though. (The stuff I own from them sure doesn't have it at least)
#14 by lucumo
2020-02-29 at 11:44
< report >@12: How is that measured though? I mean, can they track all the IAPs for mobile games, all the DLCs and MTX for "normal games"? What about browser games? What constitutes even a "gamer"? Around here, a typical (classic) gamer bought around one full-price game per month. With the advent of digital gaming and more disposable income, though, that number changed and rather went upwards but it's really hard to track nowadays as people themselves don't know how much they spend exactly (one of the advantages for publishers which they rely on).
As for the VN community, I guess it depends on how mature it is. I've been playing VN games for 15 years, so I'm more familiar with people who also started around that time until maybe 2010. Personally, I'm not a fan of the "new wave" and they may be all students with no income for all I know...but looking at livestreaming platforms, they often also tend to be in their 20s, sometimes even older.
As for prices, I'm used to Japanese ones, so 8800 Yen is "normal" for me.
#15 by ᔕᕼᖇOOᗰᒪOᖇᗪ
2020-02-29 at 11:51
< report >#13
I don't need translations either but I always take part in these anyway hoping for unmosaiced VNs. Some really deserve it. Like say anything by Butcha-U.
#16 by lordnight
2020-02-29 at 12:00
< report >#15
Same for me, but I sill participate with a small hope that my favorite VNs will be translated and be enjoyed by the rest of the community.
...and on the side note, to support the industry /s
#17 by altonan
2020-02-29 at 12:18
< report >@14 Purchase history as well as payment for subscription services. Also apparent they found the average gamer is 33 years old. Browser games in my experience are usually free and they been in decline ever since the death of Flash.Last modified on 2020-02-29 at 12:18
#18 by butterflygrrl
2020-02-29 at 12:19
< report >@12

>Buying between 0-6 VN's costing between $20-50 is a much more realistic number then I'd say any number over 10.

there are plenty of VNs priced under $20 even when they're not on sale and a lot of people buy tons of games on steep discounts with bundles or steam sales. wasn't there a fairly recent bundle offer where you could have gotten 6 full JVNs all in one go for only about $20?

and of course if you buy non-japanese VNs or cheaper DLsite titles as well it's not hard to find games for $5 and under

so trying to guess how much money someone actually spends solely from the number of titles alone doesn't work that well.
#19 by ecchihieronymus
2020-02-29 at 12:31
< report >#10 You can get to half or even a third of those $1200. Take the 10 for ¥10.000 deals into consideration and buying 60 VNs suddenly nets you ~$560 or ~480€. Those are JP deals but looking at JAST sales of older games makes this even crazier with some only costing 2-4€.Last modified on 2020-02-29 at 15:07
#20 by cockblockula
2020-02-29 at 13:20
< report >whats that elf game that everyone likes again?
#21 by altonan
2020-02-29 at 13:51
< report >@18 @ 19 Steam sales only occur approximately 3 times year and usually always around some holiday. That and Steam doesn't exactly have the widest selection of quality VN's. Most of the VN's on Steam are those dime a dozen OEVN's which are more akin to shovelware which I doubt anyone is actually buying. Also those $5 titles on DLsite are usually those dime a dozen, made in RPG Maker, indie titles which aren't even considered a proper VN according to the standards of this site. If you want a title which is actually made by a developer who specializes in VN's e.g. Lilith, Liquid etc they can easily go for $25-40 on DLsite.

@20 I'm pretty sure the elf themed title everyone really wanted translated last year was Youkoso! Sukebe Elf no Mori eLast modified on 2020-02-29 at 13:53
#22 by lucumo
2020-02-29 at 14:21
< report >@21: You would be horrified by the amount of people actually buying that shovelware (you can also look at Patreon, as that's a good indicator). But well, those people usually aren't ones that would frequent VNDB.
I don't buy digital VNs but I remember there being a sale for Lose's VNs where each game cost only 500 Yen...and those ones are quality VNs.
#23 by butterflygrrl
2020-02-29 at 14:49
< report >i'm exaggerating a little with $5 because that's usually complete crap or a SakuraGame translation turning a game INTO complete crap (though I think I've seen one or two russian-made games that were actually kind of fun for that price, just very short). But $10 or $15 you start getting some okay games. And yeah even big JVNs do have huge discounts sometimes. IIRC I bought Amnesia for 90% off one year, it was ridiculous.

But then maybe that's why they don't ask about people buying huge numbers of VNs because it gets more confusing if you can't tell the difference between a whale spending $1k on VNs every year and a steam achievement-hunter who buys dozens of cheap games.

edit: oh, and speaking of getting games in bundles: linkLast modified on 2020-02-29 at 14:52
#24 by lucumo
2020-02-29 at 14:58
< report >Usually, these types of polls have something like: "How much money do you spend on X per month?" That would have been a better indicator than the number of VNs one purchases.
#25 by ecchihieronymus
2020-02-29 at 15:16
< report >#21

Please read again, I wasn't talking about Steam and I'd only ever buy on there if the VN in question isn't available anywhere else (like Nekopara Extra or MuvLuv). There are quality/huge studios who do these 10 for ¥10.000 deals, I've got 10 TinkerBell, 10 Anim and 10 Orcsoft titles that way. (those Orcsofts could've just been a 50% sale since they're already that cheap)

One of these deals is currently going on with Anim over at DLSite.Last modified on 2020-02-29 at 15:20