Flagging Images

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#301 by yorhel
2020-05-26 at 13:18
< report >Alright, just uploaded a new character edit form. It's mostly the same as the old form, no drastic changes like the release edit form, but you can now instantly flag the image after uploading. The old form is still available for now, in case I fucked something up.

Feel free to upload unsafe character images now.
#302 by naiohoras
2020-05-26 at 14:13
< report >I like the current spoiler levels design, it's easier to avoid reading spoiler.
#303 by lotuscale
2020-06-09 at 01:34
< report >I found I can vote for some images that are only examples (e.g. link). Is that supposed to happen, or rather, does that matter?

Sorry, I shouldn't have interfered...
As long as I don't visit the image page that doesn't belong to any VN, there would be no problem...Last modified on 2020-06-09 at 07:51
#304 by fllthdcrb
2020-06-09 at 08:17
< report >Wait, are you saying you voted on it without it being presented in the normal voting process? If so, how did you manage that?
#305 by lotuscale
2020-06-09 at 08:48
< report >@304
I just saw the url of that example is 'https://s.vndb.org/sf/68/84168.jpg' then visited the vote page through 'https://vndb.org/img/sf84168'.
Images that aren't releated to any entry can be voted by visiting 'https://vndb.org/img/sf(ch)[num]'. Previously they couldn't be voted, maybe after the update of character edit form, they can be voted.
But only bored people like me will do such meaningless thing...Last modified on 2020-06-09 at 10:51
#306 by fllthdcrb
2020-06-09 at 09:40
< report >@305
That's weird. The link you just gave allows me to vote. But the one in @303 doesn't, even though only the numbers differ.
#307 by yorhel
2020-06-09 at 10:31
< report >Heh. I fixed it so that anyone can vote on images with no votes at all yet, mainly so that if the uploader forgot to flag the image someone else can still do so.

Looks like it also applies to images that aren't assigned to a DB entry. Oh well. :)
#308 by rampaa
2020-06-15 at 18:06
< report >What do crossed-out votes signify? Overridden votes? link
#309 by yorhel
2020-06-15 at 18:08
< report >Yes, same as for tag votes. Overruled either by a mod (as in that case) or the user had their image flagging right dropped.
#310 by rampaa
2020-06-15 at 18:17
< report >I see. The aforementioned link makes it look like as if everyone but savagetiger had their image flagging rights revoked. I think tags make it more clear when all votes are overridden with the red exclamation mark thingy.
#311 by beliar
2020-06-15 at 18:42
< report >Yeah, something clearer, like the exclamation mark would be more intuitive. Also, I can still vote on that picture. Does that mean my vote is not counted, because Savage overruled the picture? because it does say "Saved", when I vote. This should be clarified in the form.
For example, display "Your vote will not be saved, because a mod overruled the votes on this image" or something similar. Now the situation is ambiguous.
And if I also tick the "Overrule" box, whose vote would count, mine or Savage's? I tried ticking the box to see what would happen and it simply said "Saved".
#312 by yorhel
2020-06-15 at 19:31
< report >You guys have too high standards for feedback in user interfaces. Surely you're already used to my shitty interfaces by now? :P

Also, I can still vote on that picture. Does that mean my vote is not counted
Indeed. It's saved, just ignored, until the overrule is removed.

And if I also tick the "Overrule" box, whose vote would count, mine or Savage's?
By doing that you'll "take over" Savage's overrule, and by then unchecking the box you'll fully remove the overrule - so it's back to normal vote status now (which seems fine given the current votes). Tag overruling works the same.Last modified on 2020-06-15 at 19:35
#313 by beliar
2020-06-15 at 19:41
< report >
so it's back to normal vote status now (which seems fine given the current votes)
Not exactly fine, as there is a poster on the wall with bare boobs on it, so it seems now I have to overrule the image myself, as I have removed Savage's flag by playing with the interface :-)
#314 by oblivion
2020-06-20 at 09:36
< report >Hello everyone.
I found a few cases that (maybe) could use the overrule function.
link - nipples stretching her clothes
link - visible nipples should be explicit
link - I believe this one is at least suggestive
link - background poster, two girls in underwear
link - not sure about this one. The thumbnail is so small that you have to look really close to see what it is.
#315 by beliar
2020-06-20 at 10:00
< report >Eh, when you need a magnifying glass to discern suggestive or explicit elements in the picture, the voting becomes much less uniform and I'm not inclined to enforce a particular vote by overruling the image. I think the feature should only be used if everyone has clearly missed an obvious suggestive/explicit element.
Let's see those pictures:
1. Yes, somewhat suggestive, but the pointed nipples are themselves of different suggestivity level. I have voted some stretched nipples 'safe' and other 'suggestive' based on how much they stretch the fabric. In this case, if majority of voters felt it's safe, I'm not sure I would call that opinion invalid.
2. Visible nipples? I needed two solid minutes to see that there is indeed half of one nipple visible in the pic (or maybe it's only half of areola?). Hard to say. Anyway, I would vote it suggestive and leave it at that. You don't need a magnifying glass for this picture - you need a microscope.
3. It's hard to say what's going in the background here, but I suppose 'suggestive' is a good compromise. Still not feeling like overruling anything. There is a mix of 'safe' and 'explicit' votes, so the outcome is still somewhat suggestive.
4. Details like this get lost when you vote quickly. The picture simply needs some more 'suggestive' votes. I still think there is nothing to overrule.
5. That picture needs a microscope too. Still, it should be 'suggestive' probably. This is probably the only of those pictures that could make do with an overrule, as the vast majority of votes are 'safe'.
#316 by naiohoras
2020-06-20 at 10:49
< report >It's probably my monitor's fault but the nipple in the second picture is really clear to me even without zooming in, and when I do zoom it in, I can see that that is not an aureola being half covered by the cloth, it's the *whole* thing itself visible. so I'd say that one is Explicit.
#317 by oblivion
2020-06-20 at 19:51
< report >Thanks for your reply beliar. I'm not particularly fond of this overrule feature, but maybe it's required since there are so many images to flag and details might pass unnoticed.
I see that by posting here some users changed their votes. I like that solution a lot more.
Anyways, if I see anything else I will post here.
#318 by kayanon
2020-06-27 at 15:37
< report >Not sure if this has already been asked, but is it possible to hide flagged images from my profile? If not, can a feature to hide the images which I've flagged from my profile?
#319 by yorhel
2020-06-27 at 15:57
< report >I did consider adding an option to make your image flagging votes private, but it doesn't seem like a good idea. We need that information public for the same reason your other database contributions (edits & tag votes) are public: so that people can validate votes and find attempts to influence the DB in ways we don't want.
#320 by jazz957
2020-06-27 at 19:12
< report >I assume u163536's vote on link was a mistake, given all their other votes seem to be fine, but I thought I should point it out.
#321 by rampaa
2020-06-27 at 22:48
< report >Since we now can have explicit character images, here's an incomprehensive list of censored character images:
Aimu, Yamaguchi Souta, Fairy, Hoozuki, Jewelry, Hiraizumi Arata, Silver Fox, Isabella, Megumi, Shijou Hideo, Slime Carrier Eristia, Roshutsu Megami-sama, Werewolf, Fay Lin, Stella Link, Rilu, Meryl Meyer, Mare, Milu, Twaori, Vegina, Alraune Eristia, Maria, Liberetta, Raimu Shi Sura, Iro, Yuri, Igin, Chichigami-sama, Fujishima Riho, Rutina, Riri, Rinco, Yen Min, Raja, Menoux, Presence of Fear, Nashime, Linderot, Girl F, Kana, Mary, Reika, Kusanagi Sumiko, Macael, Kirika, Goddess, Octorith, Kamon Hisame, Nina, Ayame, Cursed Sword Eristia, Fujishiro Seri, Mushroom Queen, Purane, Nea, Dakota, Ouroborus, Jemei, Rinfa, Ijuuin Kiyomi, Yokoyama Miho, Irith, Chris, Ginrei, Holstaur Eristia, Caesar, EnkiduLast modified on 2020-07-04 at 05:45
#322 by yorhel
2020-07-09 at 12:05
< report >Just pushed a bunch of updates, finalizing the migration to the new image flagging system:

- Rewrote the VN edit form, no major differences (hopefully), except now you can properly flag uploaded images and screenshots, the "Relations" tab has been demoted to a little section in the "General info" tab. I also included the title warnings from the releases form. Old form is still available for a bit in case I screwed something up.
- VN image and screenshots now use the image flagging status instead of the old NSFW flag.
- Removed the "Show NSFW images" options from user preferences, it's not used anymore.
- Remove the image flagging selection bias towards character images. This means there'll be a significant increase non-character images being selected for a while, as these have less votes on average.
- Image flagging info is now included in the API.

The DB dumps still have the old 'nsfw' columns, but these aren't updated for new entries and I'll properly delete these columns later.
#323 by nazim10
2020-07-09 at 15:10
< report >While this system is good in theorie, I think we should have a clear definition for suggestive violent. I mean, I saw some pictured "censored" with girls wearing swimsuits. Not enticing someone, not in any sexual context, nor posing. Just wearing a swimsuit. Oh, and a kissing scene was censored (fully clothed...)
#324 by yorhel
2020-07-09 at 15:39
< report >It helps if you link to the images you think may be flagged incorrectly. We do have fairly complete guidelines. Kissing is indeed suggestive, but swimsuits not necessarily.

By default the new system does hide a lot more images than the old NSFW system. That's by design. Kind-of. I may relax the default for this domain once we have a "safe VNDB" proxy up, though. Or may not. We'll see.
#325 by naiohoras
2020-07-09 at 16:41
< report >I assume the suggestive filter isn't applied yet to the homepage's random VN images? since suggestive images is still showing up there.

also, this is just a minor stuff, but I think it's better to apply a different border color for suggestive images, so we'll be able to distinguish suggestive and explicit images faster.