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#26 by funnerific
2020-03-27 at 01:08
Okay, so... is this physically harmful?
#27 by cyrenarkade
2020-03-27 at 01:20
Is there a way to see how many images I have rated? It would be cool to see how many I've done, almost like some sort of clicker game. My best guess is about 500.
#28 by zakashi
2020-03-27 at 01:25
#27 check your profile page.
#29 by cyrenarkade
2020-03-27 at 01:27
@28 Thanks! 743. Numpad shortcuts make this so fastLast modified on 2020-03-27 at 01:28
#30 by fuukanou
2020-03-27 at 02:22
edit: derp i should learn to read. big problem with illiteracy here in antarcticaLast modified on 2020-03-27 at 05:31
#31 by cyrenarkade
2020-03-27 at 02:42
@30 Check link out, it allowed me to do over 2000 really quickly.Last modified on 2020-03-27 at 02:42
#32 by eacil
2020-03-27 at 03:11
I don't know, key shortcuts are not working for me. Arrows are working when looking at VN's screenshots though.
#33 by fllthdcrb
2020-03-27 at 03:48
#32 Do you have Numlock on? That's required if you want to use the keypad.
#34 by eacil
2020-03-27 at 04:29
Numwhat?
#35 by fllthdcrb
2020-03-27 at 04:48
Please look at the keyboard shortcuts guide again. (It's linked from the image flagging page (at the bottom), and was also linked earlier in this topic.) It tells you that Numlock needs to be enabled.

More info on Wikipedia. In case you don't have an indicator LED on your keyboard, your operating system might display an indicator on-screen (like among the icons in the lower-right corner, for example).Last modified on 2020-03-27 at 04:58
#36 by yorhel
2020-03-27 at 05:57
The problem with the keyboard shortcuts is that they are a little bit *too* fast, so I made them available only to users with more than 100 image votes to force people to take it more slowly while they're getting familiar with the system. Fortunately, the button interface isn't all *that* slow either, so 100 votes are easy enough to get.

EDIT: 35k votes in the past 12 hours. If this keeps up we'll have no problems at all with flagging the entire database!Last modified on 2020-03-27 at 06:00
#37 by fllthdcrb
2020-03-27 at 06:19
Wait, 100? I was able to use it as soon as I learned about it, and I don't feel like I had done 100 at that point. Hmm.
#38 by irx
2020-03-27 at 06:24
link is this explicit brutal? }
#39 by donkeyskin
2020-03-27 at 06:32
I find it really weird that a disturbing image such as this (Safe,Violent - Torture) is put in the same group with much more tamer pictures like this or this (Safe,Violent).
#40 by naiohoras
2020-03-27 at 09:07
but to open this up for everyone makes the system very prone to abuse. It'd be trivial to create a few accounts and flag any image to whatever you want, and image votes are not visible enough to find such abuse quickly.
sure someone may make multiple accounts and abuse the system, but I think it's very unlikely if you see how the tag voting goes. and it's just weird that you come across an "incorrect" image and you can't do anything about it.
I know this is the idea, but it may take a while to come across the mentioned image through random image flagging. do we really need to pm the moderators every time we came across a problematic image? and don't you think it's weird? if we just leave it to the moderators for the direct vote then what's the point of us normal users voting?

however, I agree the possibility of a spammer is not zero. to prevent that, I suppose the direct vote should be given to user that already flagged certain amount of images, just like you locked the keyboard shortcut until we gain 100 flagging (I don't know, maybe 1000 for direct voting?). now even if someone make multiple accounts, they will need to vote shits first and I'm sure it's pretty tiring to do so.

And in any case, there's no guarantee you won't be seeing images you don't want to see anyway.
yeah, but if it's possible, can you consider adding it? it's okay to just lessen it rather than entirely since it's less fun when you need to see something you don't want to see when scrolling the thing and it's draining the army's morale effectively :(
#41 by irx
2020-03-27 at 11:05
Is rape violent by default? If there is no visible trauma or resistance for example.
#42 by yorhel
2020-03-27 at 11:25
I find it really weird that a disturbing image such as this (Safe,Violent - Torture) is put in the same group with much more tamer pictures
No matter how many categories we define, there's always going to be such cases. It certainly doesn't belong in the same category as Brutal, either.

Drafting these guidelines has been a very interesting exercise in that everyone has different ideas about them. I personally don't consider your "Violent" image to be much worse than many other images in the same group, but if you believe it ought to be brutal instead, I'm not going to argue.

do we really need to pm the moderators every time we came across a problematic image?
Note that the number of votes to an image will be taken into account when displaying an image (or not). If an image doesn't have enough votes, it'll be prioritized in the flagging UI. If an image has enough votes but is badly flagged, your single vote isn't going to change much and it'll likely need moderator intervention. If it is properly flagged, your vote wouldn't matter.

I'm not saying direct voting will never happen, but we'll need to flesh out the moderator tooling to make sure we can catch abusers first. I have various ideas about that, but for now let's just see where the votes are going and how easy it is to find badly flagged images.

Is rape violent by default?
Nope, from d19:
Due to how difficult it is to judge consensuality through images alone, rape and other forms of non-consensual sexual activity should not be flagged as "violent" by themselves
#43 by rampaa
2020-03-27 at 11:41
d19 probably should mention what to do with cleavages. Warfoki did say he would add them in the later iterations (t13541.147) but the system went live before it actually happened, so addressing it sooner rather than later might be a good idea.Last modified on 2020-03-27 at 11:44
#44 by skorpiondeath
2020-03-27 at 12:04
@rampaa: based on Theiss Titillation Theory:
The sexiness of an outfit is directly proportional to the perceived possibility that a vital piece of it might fall off.
Cleavage is a mines field, where should we start from?
- Impossibly-Low Necklines link
- Absolute Cleavage link
- Sideboobs link
- Underboobs link
- Godiva hair link

I'm joking rightnow.
I personally would put cleavages safe, but yes there would be cases where looking at an outfit you'll get the perception of being too sexy even if you don't know why. Well costumists have studied a way to make safe outfit look sexy.Last modified on 2020-03-27 at 12:07
#45 by rampaa
2020-03-27 at 12:31
@skorpiondeath: 41st rule of the Internet states that "Everything is someone’s sexual fetish".
So everything actually is *at least* sexually suggestive!

Jokes aside, I'd argue cleavages are (inherently) suggestive and ramming them into "suggestive" flag would be the most headache-free solution but if bikinis are totally-not-suggestive then saying that cleavages are safe would make more sense I guess.Last modified on 2020-03-27 at 12:35
#46 by skorpiondeath
2020-03-27 at 12:40
Again there will be safe cases and suggestive cases... I mean bikini are not suggestive but micro bikini are suggestive, what if a girls has huge boobs? Then a bikini just starts to become suggestive again.
For cleavages I can find many cases that I consider safe, but as boobs become bigger and bigger my certainty starts to tremble. And I'm not a bewbs man...


EDIT: Started to tag again and I found many cleaveage cases in my last votiing session:
link, link, link, link
And guess what last picture (which is also the smaller cleavage between the 4) has been voted suggestive by someone.
And I'm in difficulty when voiting loli's pictures like this one link tooLast modified on 2020-03-27 at 13:09
#47 by naiohoras
2020-03-27 at 13:37
And I'm in difficulty when voiting loli's pictures like this one link too
that's certainly sa-....
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hmmm.... how can an image looks so safe and unsafe at the same time...

but as boobs become bigger and bigger my certainty starts to tremble.
yeah, anyone with boobs larger than G-cup will be automatically suggestive! even someone with an Abaya! that's very objective for sure...

I'm half-joking, I agree that boobs size are actually can be made as... measurement for whether an image is safe or unsafe, but only at certain degree, like clothes with cleavage, tight-clothes that you can actually see the "shaped" of the boobs (especially nipples). I don't know how to word it right...
#48 by beliar
2020-03-27 at 15:58
Okay, so... is this physically harmful?
Eh, this is a fantasy scenario, where a futa has all her holes plugged. Even the holes that wouldn't exist in a normal setting.
I personally wouldn't call it harmful or violent. After all, if we apply the fantasy logic...

d19 probably should mention what to do with cleavages.
I don't think so. What constitutes "skimpy clothes" or a "suggestive cleavage", are such subjective concepts, that it's impossible to precisely formulate them.
We could create a shitload of belletristic regarding the topic, but it will only skim the surface of an issue and no one will read it anyway.
In actuality, the voting is best designed exactly for such subjective cases and the fact this is not elaborated more in the guidelines is not an omission, but a feature.

measurement for whether an image is safe or unsafe, but only at certain degree, like clothes with cleavage, tight-clothes that you can actually see the "shaped" of the boobs (especially nipples). I don't know how to word it right...
You worded it perfectly. The same clothes can look entirely safe on a petite person, but obscene on someone with GG breasts. That is another reason why defining what constitutes skimpy clothing is impossible, as the body shape of the clothes owner influences a lot.
#49 by some-guy
2020-03-27 at 19:00
The same clothes can look entirely safe on a petite person, but obscene on someone with GG breasts.

No harm in that having an influence though, does it? Body shapes alone can already tell a lot about the suggested effect. When I try to judge the cases, I'm always imagining a colleague looking over my shoulder. Having a character with unreasonably large breasts feels way more suggestive than one with normal sized ones, regardless of clothing. If those are not fully covered I tend to go into the suggestive direction more easily, and going through some images I felt like that's the case for other voters as well.
#50 by 128819
2020-03-27 at 20:12
Does severe body deformation through large insertions inherently count as violence? I'd say no, but what do you all think?