Request for Character Database Testers

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#1 by Yorhel
2011-05-03 at 10:18
< report >Hello contributors!

Code-wise, the character database has reached a point where it can support heavy use and could be opened to the public. In terms of database editing, however, I am not very comfertable with opening it to the public just yet. For that reason I am giving away early editing access to interested contributers. If you've always wanted to contribute to the character database, this is your chance!

Some things I want to avoid are half-assed character entries, highly incomplete character listings for VNs, people adding only one or two characters before they realize it's a lot of work and lose interest, and so on. So please only apply if you're serious about it. Also, some experience with editing other parts of the database is required - bonus points for active contributers. :-)

Since everything is still pretty much in testing, we don't have guidelines yet and are looking for more feedback on the system. We'd like to hear about anything that is not clear or could be improved while you're playing around with the database.

Interested? Reply!
#2 by subaru
2011-05-03 at 11:21
< report >Well, I'm interested! :) I have some experience with editing here (although I need some time to get along with the character tagging which works different...maybe?)
#3 by saberger
2011-05-03 at 11:30
< report >Just a quick suggestion, sorry if it is in wrong place.

Can we have a search filter function for the traits of the characters in the same way as the tags for Vns?
#4 by soketsu
2011-05-03 at 11:39
< report >@yorhel
...better set the guidelines before and foremost. Your personal guidelines at least.Last modified on 2011-05-03 at 11:39
#5 by haku
2011-05-03 at 12:02
< report >I agree with soketsu. Although I want to participate, (but can't guarantee everyday update though ^_^) without some basic guidelines I think I may make many mistakes. Well, already added chars will help, but there's some unclear moment, like what to do with protag when his face hidden or shown at a very few cg, or how to add chars like Inaho Shin from MO series - he in all (at least most of all) games, getting older from game to game...or so like questions...
#6 by echomateria
2011-05-03 at 12:07
< report >For the most part, if you have a question you can post it on the boards to get an answer.

If you want a faster answer or to discuss a point live (unless you get an hour that everyone is sleeping), you can drop by our VNDB development channel #vndb @ irc.synirc.net on IRC.

haku wrote:
like what to do with protag when his face hidden or shown at a very few cg, or how to add chars like Inaho Shin from MO series - he in all (at least most of all) games, getting older from game to game...or so like questions...

If the protagonist doesn't have a sprite (tachi-e), like most VN characters, you can use an image of him from a CG. And if a protag changes considerably you can make separate character entries and link them as instances of the same character. Most of the time you can refer to other character entries that I and other mods have added so far. For example, if you have finished Muv-Luv series, the entries I made for its protag answers these questions, check link. But if you haven't finished the games it might be massive spoilers, so you have been warned.

Different games doesn't always require different instances, Jinguuji Saburou / Jake Hunter is the protagonist of 35 games and he is exactly the same in all of them, as far as I have seen and heard that is.

On the other hand the same time character can have two instances inside the same game, like many characters in Muv-Luv games.

subaru wrote:
although I need some time to get along with the character tagging which works different...maybe?

Character traits work quite different than VN tags, but at the same time they are quite similar. I provided detailed explanations in each and every one of them, and if you read them I believe you can use them with ease. But if you still have questions regarding them feel free to ask.

Note: Earlier I made a post about the images on character entries at link, you can refer to it regarding those.Last modified on 2011-05-03 at 12:33
#7 by Yorhel
2011-05-03 at 12:29
< report >
Well, I'm interested! :)
Updated your account. Feel free to play around. :-)

Can we have a search filter function for the traits of the characters in the same way as the tags for Vns?
Wrong place indeed. But yes, I'll add that when it makes sense (not with <200 characters...)

...better set the guidelines before and foremost. Your personal guidelines at least.
You're supposed to yell if you're not sure about something, or just do it in whatever way you think is right, and we'll fix it later. :-P There's not a whole lot you can do wrong if you take the current entries as example. Not to mention writing guidelines is a lot easier when we have some more data.
#8 by justinizhere
2011-05-03 at 17:24
< report >im interested, plus i tend to have quite a good memory when it comes to remembering pointless stuff like characters and there details xD

il need to work out how some of the things work as im guilty of not really editing here much =/ but once i get that down i really have nothing to do ATM but add characters whilst playing dynasty warriors 7 xDLast modified on 2011-05-03 at 17:31
#9 by luckyscamp
2011-05-03 at 18:07
< report >I'm very interested. I already have several titles in mind in which certain characters stood out.

However, what did you mean by 'half-assed' entries and what were the bugs that caused trouble in the first place.

I am more willing to give this a crack.
#10 by Yorhel
2011-05-03 at 19:08
< report >
However, what did you mean by 'half-assed' entries and what were the bugs that caused trouble in the first place.
Hmm, let's see what's there to half-ass... well, I would consider not adding an nice-looking image when there is an image available somewhat half-assed. Of course, you don't have to be *very* comprehensive, I don't really care about the descriptions and stuff, as long as most important traits are added and the fields which are known are filled out it'll be alright. :-)
Bugs? Where? Those are fixed, and they didn't cause much trouble, mostly just some annoyances.

@justin-kun & luckyscamp: accounts upgraded, happy testing. :-)
#11 by kelpie
2011-05-03 at 19:19
< report >I would like to give this a try. My experience editing other parts of the database is perhaps a little limited, having added not quite a dozen VNs, but I hope that I can make up for that by taking care when adding characters.

I also want to reiterate: thanks for your efforts creating VNDB. With the advent of the character database, VNDB is well on its way to being the best resource for information on visual novels in any language. We live in exciting times!
#12 by unkind
2011-05-03 at 19:40
< report >I'm interested! I have a few titles in mind which nobody would probably do anyways lol. My editing experience is limited but I've done a bit.
#13 by subaru
2011-05-03 at 19:42
< report >Thank you, yorhel.

@echomateria:

Character traits work quite different than VN tags, but at the same time they are quite similar. I provided detailed explanations in each and every one of them, and if you read them I believe you can use them with ease. But if you still have questions regarding them feel free to ask.

Note: Earlier I made a post about the images on character entries at link, you can refer to it regarding those.

I will do so when necessary. And I'm already familiar with your post ^^
#14 by justinizhere
2011-05-03 at 22:07
< report >added a few characters, i found it strangely more entertaining then i thought it would be xD

im going to bed now but so far have i made any mistakes that i should look to correct in the future?
#15 by kittyplay
2011-05-03 at 22:22
< report >I think I may be interested. I'll be sure to do my best!
#16 by echomateria
2011-05-03 at 22:57
< report >justin-kun, good job on the first few character entries you made. If you excuse me, I'll make a few comments on how to improve them here. These comments are not just for justin-kun though, all the users thinking about partaking in this effort can benefit from them as well. So pay attention class, these will be in the exam...

First, a general comment:
It would be better if you can stick to a single game and add at least its protagonist and heroines before moving on to others. Side characters and such can be added later by others, but having a single character entry under a game doesn't really help anyone.

Second, about the entries:
If you don't know the Japanese name of a character, who knows all of them by memory anyway, you can grab those from other sites, like Getcu. (I know you took the image from there, but lets keep the example informative for everyone else too.)

If you are not really familiar with the Japanese language or Getchu, you can just copy-paste the Japanese title of the name there to search for it and copy over the character's names. 橘 沙紀 (たちばな さき) in this example. Don't copy over the part in parentheses though, since that is just the reading helper.

Third, about the Kotomi entry:
You forgot the capitalization of kotomi ichinose, and her image has some borders. I haven't played the game but is that image gives me the impression that it is from the anime, and if that is the case we can't really use that.

Finally, about the description links:
It would be better if you can follow the standard that we keep on the VN descriptions. So the change would be like:
Current version:

info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharin_no_Kuni,_Himawari_no_Sh%C5%8Djo

Ideal version:

[From [url=
info from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharin_no_Kuni,_Himawari_no_Sh%C5%8Djo]Wikipedia[/url]]
#17 by eyeless
2011-05-04 at 00:56
< report >And don't forget that we are using eastern order for Japanese names in database: family-name given-name.
#18 by Yorhel
2011-05-04 at 05:42
< report >@kelpie, unkind & kittyplay: account upgraded!
#19 by justinizhere
2011-05-04 at 07:13
< report >isee, many thanks X3
#20 by echomateria
2011-05-04 at 16:10
< report >I have a request.

Everyone, please... please do not depend on me to fix every tag and trait for you. I'm not being payed to do this.

Please look at the other tags and traits and see that they have a structure and simply copy that, it's not that hard.

Example:
Traits > Subject of > Health Related > Illness > Anemia
Aliases: none
Description:
This character has [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemia]Anemia[/url].

Anemia is a decrease in number of red blood cells (RBCs) or less than the normal quantity of hemoglobin in the blood. However, it can include decreased oxygen-binding ability of each hemoglobin molecule due to deformity or lack in numerical development as in some other types of hemoglobin deficiency. Anemia is the most common disorder of the blood.

People with anemia report non-specific symptoms of a feeling of weakness, or fatigue, general malaise and sometimes poor concentration. They may also report dyspnea (shortness of breath) on exertion. In very severe anemia, the body may compensate for the lack of oxygen-carrying capability of the blood by increasing cardiac output. The patient may have symptoms related to this, such as palpitations, angina (if preexisting heart disease is present), intermittent claudication of the legs, and symptoms of heart failure.

Just do a Wikipedia or Dictionary search and provide a link to it for people who wants to read more about this tag or trait. And copy over the first part of the description, so people can see what this t&t is about even without going to those sites. And if you think that this t&t might confuse someone, put an explanation at the end saying: "This trait is intended for this and that purposes and should not be mixed with that other thing..."
#21 by subaru
2011-05-04 at 16:14
< report >Hmm... I'm unsure about the correct use of 'Relationships' traits. Do they only describe the relationship with the protagonist?

I used 'blue' eye color for Battler Ushiromiya because of official art and official current works (e.g. Umineko VN Remake by Alchemist, so he is depicted with blue eyes now). But it seems the physical appearance should refer to the original work... I see.

Sorry for posting here, I don't have IRC. :/ Is it possible to open individual discussion threads for character adding when needed?

Thank you
#22 by echomateria
2011-05-04 at 17:45
< report >I use the relationship traits mostly for the characters relationship with the protagonist. But if one is also important part of a character I also add that too, like being the sister of some other character in the game. In the end, what these characters are in the eyes of the protagonist, and you as the player of it, is more important then the rest.

These will mostly be cleared when the character relationships added in the future.

If you are at a PC that you can't install an IRC client like mIRC, there are also ones that work over browsers. I'm not really familiar with hem so I can't recommend one, always used mIRC.

We don't have character linked threads but if you want, you can open a thread linked to the game in question and gather all your comments regarding its characters in there.

Note: Please don't put - in edit summaries, just write "added traits", "removed traits etc" - doesn't tell us anything as we follow the changes from the bot reports. See linkLast modified on 2011-05-04 at 17:48
#23 by kittyplay
2011-05-04 at 21:35
< report >Do you think there's a way we can also put the character's voice actor? It would be a nice feature to have, if you ask me. If you wanted to find another character that a voice actor voices, you could click the name of the voice actor and the other characters they voiced as would come up.
#24 by echomateria
2011-05-05 at 00:58
< report >Staff listings are one of the popular requests. They''ll be added someday, but probably not soon.
#25 by luckyscamp
2011-05-06 at 10:28
< report >I was wondering.
Some character descriptions are in japanese format.
Now some translation tools like Google translate only help a little.
Are there more effective tools online or can a character profile miss out the description part?