Request for Character Database Testers

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#126 by izmosmolnar
2011-06-26 at 08:17
I wouldn't bother adding any kinda breast size as traits myself. I reckon if it's that kinda game there'd be measurements instead.

Still no space even then. 透舞のん and call it a day.
#127 by echomateria
2011-06-26 at 11:40
I can see a point in having them since while we have:
Measurements Height: 164cm, Bust-Waist-Hips: 82-53-82cm
It doesn't help us search for them. That is why we have body traits about characters' height (Short, Average Height and Tall). In the same sense measurements doesn't help if you want to search for a specific breast size.

Instead of making traits to describe same thing again we can avoid redundancy and use cup sizes. Since the cup is just the size of the breast, while the numeric measurements we currently have includes the ribcage on that calculation.

The most common usage of Cup Sizes are AA, A, B, C, D, DD.

DD also gets referred as E on some countries, and you may hear jokes about F, but basically anything bigger than a D is categorized the same, aka kyonyuu.

So we can call Flat Chest AA Cup and Large Breasts DD Cup while moving their current names to aliases. And make new traits for the rest.
#128 by yorhel
2011-06-26 at 11:45
It doesn't help us search for them.
I do intent to make those fields searchable. However, traits have the benefit that they can be determined without needing actual measurements, so it's still not a bad idea to have them.
#129 by atlantima
2011-06-26 at 15:57
Why do we need the trait i57? It seems unnecessary, like if we had a tag for "Human" in addition to the non-human traits. The vast majority of characters are going to be of average height. Plus I can't imagine anybody searching for this: "Okay, today I feel like playing a VN where the character is average height." Never gonna happen.
#130 by echomateria
2011-06-26 at 20:21
When you are describing someone you would say something like:
"That guy had short brown hair, average height, pale skin and was wearing jeans and a T-shirt."
You don't just omit the height and assume the absence of that info would indicate an average height.
While some of the traits will urn quite useless for search purposes and feels like a waste of time to even bother, like Japanese nationality trait, in the end they are kinda necessary to give a full description.

While we have height info for some heroines, we rarely have that for most of the males and images themselves are most of the time not reliable to determine this.
#131 by kalikai2188
2011-06-26 at 21:16
(Edited: Based on my recent website surfing, I discovered that normally the Japanese names are written by leaving some spaces between the Japanese surname and the given name (eg 透舞のん = 透舞[space]のん, 衛宮[space]士郎 = Emiya Shirō), eg link.) It would be better to follow their written naming standard, but it depends on the consents of the moderators, I guess.Last modified on 2011-06-26 at 21:26
#132 by nachtwandler
2011-06-26 at 21:47
link as I remember we agree to always use order surname-name not name-surmame but atlantima changed it for all characters here. WTF. I think better to post here once than change them once more with comments
#133 by atlantima
2011-06-26 at 22:36
I changed them to the original name order, example: ミント・ブラマンシュ = Mint Blancmanche, instead of "Blancmanche Mint" which is how it was before.

Also, would it be possible to do automation of some traits based on the numbers inputted? Example: you make a new character who is 152 cm tall and 92 cm breasts, and it automatically adds "Average Height" and "Large Breasts"?

While we have height info for some heroines, we rarely have that for most of the males and images themselves are most of the time not reliable to determine this.
I don't get it, if you don't have a height measurement and you can't tell from the image, then on what basis are you adding a height trait?Last modified on 2011-06-26 at 22:41
#134 by nachtwandler
2011-06-27 at 05:10
I changed them to the original name order, example: ミント・ブラマンシュ = Mint Blancmanche, instead of "Blancmanche Mint" which is how it was before.

If Kanji order is incorrect, you should change it, not romaji order. Read this thread and rules before doing smth!
#135 by immlff
2011-06-27 at 05:59
@nachtwandler
Short answer: You are wrong, period.

Long answer: You are the one who need to read the guidelines. Specifically
Here on vndb.org, we prefer to use the order that the original game used.
(Yorhel should probably make this more noticeable, maybe bold)
Kanji/kana order is not incorrect because it's an original name and romaji name should be based on it, not the other way around. If you need a source with GA original names see OHP1 & OHP2 & OHP3 & ja.wiki.
#136 by nachtwandler
2011-06-27 at 07:57
I know which order used on offcites and AngelWiki. Then I directly asked which order to use in descriptions(at all not for this game) I got the answer "japaneese" etc. surname-name

link - see posts 52-53

> Here on vndb.org, we prefer to use the order that the original game used.

This probably was added laterLast modified on 2011-06-27 at 08:01
#137 by yorhel
2011-06-27 at 08:04
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but that paragraph in d5 has not been changed since, to be exact, 2008-06-28. :-/

In most cases we do indeed use Japanese order, since that's what the game uses. But well, if the game decides to use a western order, then we should follow.
#138 by echomateria
2011-06-27 at 08:49
#133 by atlantima
I don't get it, if you don't have a height measurement and you can't tell from the image, then on what basis are you adding a height trait?
Based on the game script, they always mention if a character is short or tall.
#139 by nachtwandler
2011-06-30 at 11:08
BTW is it possible to make opportunity to hide character gender with spoiler?

Cause, for example if character is known as a guy but you could optionally find that it is a girl or gender changed lately than it's better to create alias.

But if character gender is unknown till some part of the story or real gender reviels later in any case?
#140 by echomateria
2011-06-30 at 11:39
If this gender revelation isn't important enough to create another instance, maybe you should stick to the one told by the game initially and not display the later revealed truth.
#141 by nachtwandler
2011-06-30 at 15:04
Still it would be somehow incorrect. For example: link

It's seamed to be male in the first game of the series but in the begining of the second game it reveles that this character is female and so it goes till the end of the series. Posting "male" as gender would be incorrect cause only during first game of six it is so. But posting "female" as gender would be large spoiler cause you should finish first game with special conditions to reveal it at the end or just finish it and begin sequel.
#142 by echomateria
2011-07-02 at 08:53
As I said earlier, you have two choices:

ONE
You don't care enough to bother, or this revelation is so minor that it's not worth making a second entry.
Then you leave the initial gender and do not mark the second on that is revealed later.

TWO
You make multiple instances of the same character. First one is the one that you see at the very beginning of the game. And others the versions of that character that are different based on the later revelations in the story, such as gender changes. And link them with spoiler warnings.

This is the most "correct" and "safe" method for these situations.

Muv-luv spoiler example: c134
#143 by atlantima
2011-07-07 at 01:09
i265 should be made a child of i415.
#144 by nachtwandler
2011-07-07 at 10:44
echomateria

I explained already why I don't like solution two in this case. Then nothing in looks behaviour etc. changes than it's strange to make separate aliase.

But oh. Let it be as it is. I just asked if gender spoiler possible to make or is it too much work
#145 by gabezhul
2011-07-07 at 11:48
Excuse me, but isn't spoilering the gender of the character would kinda defeat its purpose on the first place? After all, if the character is a trap who looks like a boy and then later turns out to be a girl, hiding her gender would obviously imply that he is not male, otherwise you wouldn't need to hide it... Basic logic, it is really not that hard...

So yeah, I'm with Echomateria on this one. Either make two entries, or make one with the initial gender and put a spoiler-tagged note into the description mentioning the real gender, simple as that.
#146 by echomateria
2011-07-07 at 11:52
#143 by atlantima

Edited Suicide to "attempts at" to make its use broader. Now it can be used with or without Death based on the success of the attempt.
#147 by atlantima
2011-07-23 at 18:13
If I wanted to make the trait "Older than they appear", would that fit under "Role"?

i130 is misspelled, it should be "Tattoo".Last modified on 2011-07-26 at 18:48
#148 by belgaesh
2011-07-29 at 20:10
I would like to help in the Character Database Test. Mainly by correcting mistakes and adding both characters and further descriptions of the ones already created.Last modified on 2011-07-29 at 20:10
#149 by yorhel
2011-07-30 at 08:41
@belgaesh: account upgraded.
#150 by soketsu
2011-07-30 at 09:12
I, too, would like to help... adding new chara from the VNs I play. Most of my VNs do not have chara list yet. But I can only help here for at least 3 hours per week.

Should I just wait for the charaDB to be fully open to public?

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