No H-Scenes?

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#1 by brook09
2020-05-30 at 16:01
< report >Looking through the tags i noticed this one has no 18+ scenes is there any reason given why they chose not to do any h scenes in this one?

Is it cause of appealing to western licensors distributors to easier sell this game = :(
#2 by paragonias
2020-05-30 at 16:42
< report >DC3 was an all-ages game at first so, this is no evidence of anything.
Although I could totally see Circus only releasing this game as all-ages considering how big they are.

What is probably going on is that Circus is gonna sell DC4 as all-ages for as long as it's selling well enough and they'll only produce the 18+ version once the all-ages version's sales go down.

Besides, your argument about "appealing to western licensors" is absolute nonsense, since Circus is partnered with Mangagamer and they have released 18+ versions of the other DC games.
#3 by mikuxdrift
2020-05-30 at 16:45
< report >nah... Its just a usual Circus's "DC" thing. Releasing all-ages first and the 18+ version after a year or so.

by the way, D.C.4 "Fan Disk" is already in the works.
#4 by sola520
2020-06-02 at 04:06
< report >There won't be R18 dlc or anything given the list of the voice actors. Yes, these people don't do R18 so circus will need to change the voice actors if they plan to release such thingLast modified on 2020-06-02 at 04:07
#5 by kiru
2020-06-02 at 06:36
< report >Yeah, DC4 was created for all ages only. It's like expecting an 18+ version for Island.

Get used to it. Ero was largely inserted to sell. This factor is slowly but surely dying down, to the point you either have all ages or almost nukige. Da Capo was never a series that wanted to be a nukige, so it's not like this is a weird way to go.
#6 by lotuscale
2020-06-02 at 08:46
< report >D.C.3 actually changed CV when x-rated was made so I won't feel surprised if the same thing happens on D.C.4. I personally isn't expecting an 18+ version, though.Last modified on 2020-06-06 at 23:10
#7 by diabloryuzaki
2020-06-02 at 10:37
< report >even if circus add h-scene in this vn, did it worth for that? i don't think so because this vn is fine without h-scene and perfectly fine if it didn't get one or it should not have h-scene to make it not more worst than before
#8 by adamkenway007
2020-09-08 at 08:52
< report >#3
yes,you're right D.C.4 "Fan Disk",Da Capo 4~ Fortunate Departures already made it

Da Capo mean "repeat from the beginning" or Endless repeat :)
#9 by soulvnovel
2021-02-28 at 00:06
< report >Any news? As I absolutely DON'T wish to make the same mistake I did with "Kotori Love Ex P" and "Da Capo Innocent Finale". Just WHY did they name them differently??? I really thought its a different game... (well, I did buy them at 50% off so whatever-.-)

Anyways, any news of a H version, that hopefully will get an eng relese?
#10 by veshurik
2021-02-28 at 09:22
< report >Hm, DC4 is really have "actual" Da Capo atmosphere? I don't think so. It seems for me any other game, but not with "Da Capo" franchise name.
Maybe, also that means that we won't get English release at all.

They released fan-disc also all-ages, it means that after almost 2 years there are not any 18+ version, and I think it won't be. It also means that they are concentrating on plot rather on H-scenes. I can't blame them, because I think it's wise decision. From the other side, if you want to more deeper love with your waifu, of course you will feel lack of H-scenes...
#11 by acereishiki
2021-02-28 at 09:55
< report >Feel free to judge me for this, but I already exposed to so much Ero in eroge or vns in general that I would feel unsatisfied with any all-ages titles. It doesn't matter if the H-scenes is cut or if there wasn't any to begin with, it just feels incomplete, and I would rate it lower than others no matter how good the story is, and that if I didn't drop it off and managed to finish it.

I'm sure there are others who feel the same, especially since Da Capo is a long running "ero"ge series.
#12 by soulvnovel
2021-02-28 at 12:42
< report >#11 I have mix feelings.

(little warning: I'm non-main English, I'm continuing to talk about my own perspective regarding adult patches in general and there is nothing written in regards to DC4 release, aka off-topic)

I mean, yes, I absolutely know what you mean. Like I still can't shallow Little Busters! (steam) not having the H scenes, and then Utawarerumono, Tears to Tiara, To hearts and many more to change to all age. As I play all newer games, I can't help but always think if this release (Steam usually) only had a +18 patch, that the protagonist (harem on top) wouldn't wuss out like most anime ecchi protagonist. And to find out the DC series becomes like this is not easy for me either. See, DC 3 was a good example, I had it in my Steam wishlist for I don't know how many years, I keep sending emails for Mangagamer to release an X version for the steam version, they only apologised, ultimately I just brought it from their website (when I really wanted it on steam). So this is the thing, I don't wish to wake up (just like Kotori Love EX P and DC IF that I didn't realise is the same game....) that I buy an All age version, and later, later there is an H update?? After I play the whole game to just replay for the senes? (its a horrible feeling, I had it a few times when I played VN on steam, thinking I applied the +18 patch correctly, and 10-20 hours later I realised I messed up when I applied it and missed out on so many things, that when replaying, had no feeling, just pure sex or naked girl scene, no real emotional atmosphere-.-)

The other part of my mix fellings is that if they at least confirm there will NEVER be a +18 version, at least I can play without hesitation (still with a bitter taste), like the few games I mentioned above, I absolutely love them (they are my type of game, and DC is one as well) and will continue to play any all age release (as I gave up on +18 of them) and recommend to anyone to try at least once. However, I do wonder regarding DC4 since it was pointed out by#10 that it doesn't have a DC felling
#13 by acereishiki
2021-02-28 at 14:34
< report >Then I have a great advice for you, stop buying from steam and buy from stores that actually cares for their products (visual novel) like MangaGamer, JAST, Denpa and the like. If there are VN titles on steam with 18+ patches, then 99% they're also available on those adult storefronts as well, no contents cut. I just feel it would be great if the money went only to the people worthy of receiving, not the shitty steam.

The last time I enjoyed all-ages titles was Summer Pocket (I just love that summer atmosphere) and Frontwing's Island (which I skipped almost half of the game just so I could get to the good parts), I tried playing Little Busters! so many times only to drop it again because I just can't get engaged enough, there's no sexy stuffs that would make me WANT to continue, no sense of reward for reading the story. I think that's my problem with all-ages titles, I started to see H-scenes as "achievement" or reward, and when they're absent, that sense of accomplishment is nowhere to be found.
#14 by kyousukeshi
2021-03-20 at 07:59
< report >you shouldnt be suprised with crap Murica i s doin its unfortunate most of jpn goes with that crap
the best you can do is go for artists
@ 13 just get your copy from jpn no point feeding censor happy middle man
We can still hope we will properly get D.C. IV enventualy
#15 by lordstarfish
2021-04-16 at 08:19
< report >Well...
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It's happening. Unless this somehow turns out to be something else entirely, but with a name like "Da Capo 4 Plus Harmony" and an 18+ rating, I can't really imagine this being anything BUT D.C.4 with added H content. Hoping they will take this chance to clean up some of the more rushed elements of the base game too though. I was under the impression that D.C.III R also made quite a few touch-ups even aside from adding sex scenes? Also while I suppose voice changes here are more or less inevitable, if I do now have to experience a version of this game where Touyama Nao is not Arisu, I hope that whatever replacement voices they do get do a good job.
#16 by lordstarfish
2021-04-18 at 12:34
< report >...And then Circus did a livestream where they admittedly revealed next to nothing about Plus Harmony, but one thing they DID reveal was that Manpukutei Hakumai is the director for this game. He was not the director in D.C.4 itself. So... IS it actually a whole new game after all? Or do they just mean that he's directing the new content and any potential changes to what was already there? Because honestly, while I have not 100% cleared the base game yet, (Just started Hiyori's route and after that I will finally unlock Arisu) I don't really see how they even COULD fit sex-scenes into this thing. Unless they ALL happen in their respective character's epilogues, anyway, because the pacing of most routes here doesn't really allow for them to happen any earlier.

...That could very well point to this being a new story all together actually. Though that would in itself be a bit awkward. Like, base game is all-ages with an all-star cast of non-eroge voice actors, then they do a spinoff that likewise is all-ages and keeps the same cast... AND THEN they do a second spinoff that is now an eroge? Would be weird if the base game itself never goes beyond some sexually suggestive scenes and then one of the sequels suddenly goes full hentai.
#17 by acereishiki
2021-04-18 at 12:56
< report >Circus and their DC 4 has already been such a turn off for me that I don't really care anymore. Even if they really made any 18+ version for who-knows-when, I can't see myself getting excited for it or anything, maybe 10 years in the future when I already forgot all about it.

Is making adult entertainments and contents a shameful thing now? What a sad world if that is the case.
#18 by kiru
2021-04-18 at 13:08
< report >^Adult content confines you to a smaller market nowadays. The reason why it was more common a decade or more ago is because back then it was inserted to sell. Nowadays you are either close to a nukige or all ages with little in between.
#19 by acereishiki
2021-04-18 at 13:48
< report >I can only see further decline for Circus, though. Their whole implementation of 'all-ages first ero later' was horrible in DC III. Like many other people said, Circus is dead after DCIII.

Play the requiem for the money-whore that is Circus and their mountain of DC fandisks. They already pissed off eroge fans (their main consumers) enough with the last Da Capo, and they're not getting any better. Death flags if you ask me.
#20 by lordstarfish
2021-04-18 at 14:25
< report >...And yet, DCIII still got re-released twice and got three fandisks, and was evidently successful enough that they still made a fourth installment, which has been released on three separate platforms and is now either getting its second fandisk or its "definitive edition" re-release. From what I can see it seems like Circus and the Da Capo series is still doing just fine. Probably not AS well as during the era of D.C.II but then VISUAL NOVELS IN GENERAL seem to be less popular these days.
#21 by mikuxdrift
2021-04-18 at 14:28
< report >
Manpukutei Hakumai is the director for this game.
Yeah... That change did really come out as a surprise. also to mention that this is the first time he will be directing for a game as well. and you don't just suddenly change the director IF something is UP. (and honestly i had some worries because of this.)

And yes the seiyuu cast will undoubtedly and akwardly needed to be re-casted. Not unless if some sorcery was involved that the non 18+ cast will do the 18+ voicing under a alias. (like with the case of Sasaki Mikoi and Nitta Emi)

I kinda guessing CIRCUS themselves never expected that the JP readers are still in need of more "D.C." after they released D.C.4

This (director change) together with the title logo (Arisa spoilers) solidifies my thoughts that CIRCUS will be deviating from their usual "stuff" and will come out with something new and bizzare. (like the FD which has proved this right.)

Anyways... some possible story guess:

If this is just a remake with the 18+ it is expected that the whole script will be heavily altered so those "things" and possible new elements can be inserted.
(this would be easy for Nino, Hiyori, Shiina or Chiyoko routes but on others this will be a bit of a challenge.)

or

Joining the base game and the FD together then alter the story a bit so the plot continuity will be seamless and then put all the H-scenes on the FD part. (which both options are time consuming)


If this however was a case of a new FD or Sequel, the only good thing i could see is:
1.No more re-reading again.
2.Lessening the pain of the inevitable "who's seiyuu did better" comparisons by doing this.
3.FAP (for those who can't live without them.)
4. New or nostalgic elements . (IF Sequel)

(which most likely for the time they had.)

Still not enough to outweigh the negatives. not unless if the "and more" thing is finally revealed.



@19
yup... Death flags indeed.

EDIT: doubled line.Last modified on 2021-04-18 at 14:32
#22 by acereishiki
2021-04-18 at 14:32
< report >@20 Probably. Not surprised about them having the means to release tons of supplementals products though, I mean, that's what they do best, milking Da Capo so much like nothing else. Worse than Frontwing with their Grisaia. But it's just that, money milking. They're still kicking mud to the eroge community with their practices.Last modified on 2021-04-18 at 14:32
#23 by lordstarfish
2021-04-18 at 15:01
< report >And yet, it's "money milking" that continues to WORK. I feel like if they truly burned the bridge with their main fanbase in D.C.III, D.C.4 just wouldn't EXIST.

...And speaking personally I can't say I mind the new direction anyway. Honestly when playing 1 and 2 I found the H-scenes to be more of a detriment than anything. Especially in Anzu's route where I literally just SKIPPED it because I felt it was so unbelievably out-of-place. Can't comment on III since at the time it first came out I was not good enough at Japanese to be able to read it and by the time it did come out in English I was just kinda burned out on this franchise in general... Which was mostly down to the anime adaptation of III being really, really bad. And while I'm not yet DONE with 4, I have very much enjoyed what I have seen. Well, except Chiyoko's route which I am convinced was added as an afterthought. Just looking at how her character was handled I can only assume she was first envisioned as a supporting character in Shiina's route, and then they gave her her own route as well just because it wouldn't make sense for her to not have one... yet they did not really have any particularly good ideas for what to DO with her and so her route ended up basically just being a few disconnected cute interactions followed by a confession followed almost instantly by the end credits.
#24 by acereishiki
2021-04-18 at 15:42
< report >Suit yourself, if what they're doing works for you, then hurrah. But not everyone is satisfied with Circus, so hope you understand some complaining here and there. Even if what they're doing 'works', it doesn't mean that it was actually a good thing.
#25 by lordstarfish
2021-04-18 at 16:03
< report >Of course it doesn't work for everyone. That's the case with LITERALLY EVERYTHING any sort of big company does. There will always be those who are for it, those who are against it, and those who might not like it much but go along with it anyway. My point at the start was that you keep calling "death flags" and saying that the company and the franchise is doomed. Considering how the thing that supposedly killed them happened a DECADE ago and the franchise is still putting out new entries, I think it's pretty much objectively the case that neither the company nor the franchise died with DCIII.