Are Tsundere unusually over-rated ?

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#1 by dimensionlost
2020-06-17 at 18:09
Not only they are over-violent, exploding every time they hear or even feel something happening opposite to their viewpoint, but, are also comparatively more dangerous than a Yandere, as compared to the sneak and deceit and that mysterious atmosphere that surrounds a yandere, tsundere are blunt, and can actually murder someone simply on impulse by hitting them too hard with a hammer or something in broad daylight in front of everyone and then stutter afterward - "I-it's not i like meant to do that! A-alll his/her fault."

At the very least, it is highly unlikely that a yandere would do any thing rash before people in broad daylight. Sure there is the exception of 'School Days', but generally speaking, yandere heroines are not that childish. They are way too calculative and particular about everything. If they decide something, then they'll most certainly do so, but, most likely outside public view, as interruption or botched execution is something they can't tolerate. They are too careful about how to use their "public image" as their best weapon afterall.

Also, its way too easy to please a yandere, but it's simply "hell" trying to please a Tsundere.

Thus i'd like to inquire. Why are tsun characters more popular than heroins with multi-personality/yandere characters ?
#2 by ecchihieronymus
2020-06-17 at 18:29
Because more people perceive them as cute than they would a yandere. Less people are into yandere than tsundere because one is a person not really knowing how to convey their feelings and the other is a psycho/sociopath at their core. I've yet to encounter a violent, to the point of homicide, tsundere, btw; aside from childish or comedic violence.Last modified on 2020-06-20 at 20:35
#3 by tragedydesu
2020-06-17 at 18:39
because japan is full of mashochists

tbh ,the reason why i started playing Vns is to avoid the route of those bitches , they always win in every harem/love triangle anime or manga ...
seriously seeing a tsunbitch win against a cute kind caring childhood friend makes me want to pukeLast modified on 2020-06-17 at 18:41
#4 by butterflygrrl
2020-06-17 at 18:43
not all tsundere are over-violent ragestacks, that's the hyper-flanderised version. a lot of them are just a bit grumpy and bad at talking about their feelings. which is something many guys can relate to.

super-violent bitch is a very specific fetish. some people want to be stepped on. some people want to take a girl like that and break her, either by crushing her to tears or by reducing her into a helpless lovestruck fool.

but most people just enjoy winning over a girl who's a little bit of a challenge.
#5 by bestkatalyn
2020-06-17 at 21:19
#4 True. Also, tsundere doesn't always fits for all initially colder persons and a lot of times it's a mistype from coodere, which is just someone that doesn't display their feelings lightly.

What's more if it's a classic tsundere we are talking about then those are one of the best characters types. Usually they have a good reason for being cold and are in fact very warm persons once they get rid of that cold exterior.
#6 by silvercover
2020-06-17 at 22:58
I think only older series have the hyper violent tsundere, and occasionally the largely popular ones that are known for being like that, otherwise I dont think there's that much violent tsunderes really, they feel more like relics for when slapstick humor was a big thing.

now they're usually just ones who deny being interested in the protag, make fun/insult him, maybe hit him when there's an accidental ecchi event like him seeing her panties or touching their breasts.
#7 by zakashi
2020-06-17 at 23:45
I-it's not like I want you to see my panties, you baka baka!
#8 by mrkew
2020-06-17 at 23:52
If you play a meta meme eroge from the last few years, it's guaranteed to have a joke about overly violent heroines being outdated. Does not mean tsundere themselves are outdated, tsundere imouto is still peak moe.
#9 by bobjr2000
2020-06-18 at 01:16
There not my favorite type of personality. It would be one thing if they had just cause to not like you but most of vn I play don't have that. As said the over type violent ones are huge turns off just like be in real life, they just be jerks. But the very painfully obvious ones pretending they don't like you doesn't really appeal to me. Maybe its American thing but people that act dumb like this stopped during middle school. To have teenagers and adults do it just seems weird and insulting. It would be one thing to causally flirt tease some one but Ive never seen that in vn. Its usually what #7 type.

I dated strong will independent women ect and never ran into a lot of dumb shit done in vn. Speaking mind and standing up self doesn't mean being mean to others for no reason and that is key characteristic I find in tsudere in most of vns I play. I am only playing eroge so that can obviously be me fault but be nice if it wasn't always either dumb struck in love or seem to hate you.Last modified on 2020-06-19 at 03:02
#10 by kiru
2020-06-18 at 06:42
Tsundere is a little bit more complicated. EGS equalizes it with "strong willed girl" of sorts, which is why things like beating up people or "typical" tsundere reactions aren't ever needed. Those are ultimately just one thing: Tropes.

The reason why it's liked is because a lot of people like girls that aren't wallflowers. Girls that say stuff when they are angry. That stand up for themselves and/or others. Those characters are often tsundere types. Being especially mean towards the protagonist is usually just bad writing, which obviously exists and is overly common. The reason why it's "tsundere" is because even if you are of strong character who likes to say their mind, real romance is something that's making the biggest guy crumble, blush and become something else. Why would it be different for girls?

It's really about tsundere=strong girl. And that can simply include bursts of violence. The better ones don't do it every 5 minutes why shouting standard lines though. They punch when it's justified. Tsundere is actually a trait a lot of male characters also have, because they try to keep up their strong presence. It's just what happens if you try to be strong. People like characters that try to be strong even though they aren't necessarily. It's good for writing as well, as godlike characters that always do everything right are boring, and super weak characters get quickly annoying.Last modified on 2020-06-18 at 06:44
#11 by kidbuu25
2020-06-18 at 10:16
It mostly depends on people's taste and it's not necessarily only M can enjoy it. Let's not talk about over violent tsundere since it's on another league even for a fan like me. Everything should stay at moderate level.

For me I like cute tsundere because they are fun to tease and the gap between tsun and dere gives more stimulation. The tsun part does emphasize the cuteness of their dere side more than ever and they always give you the challenging feelings to win them over. It's obviously better than pampering deredere heroines who are head over heel for you 24/7 since it gets boring pretty fast when you get used to it.

That said it's true most people would prefer the later but I don't like the idea of complete denying the charm of tsundere.Last modified on 2020-06-18 at 10:18
#12 by silvercover
2020-06-18 at 10:35
also as a side note, just as there are the extreme tsunderes, the popular yanderes are generally the extreme yanderes, there are still some more moderate or minor ones. not all are ones that will murder the protagonist for if they go after someone else, some are just going to target the other heroines or at least threaten them away. the other appeal too for them is how much they're on the side of the protagonist and protect them, the whole murdering them is generally just when things get too out of hand and extreme for them to resort that, even the most famous yandere yuno was primarily on protecting and listening yuki until she broke even more.
#13 by barfboy
2020-06-19 at 05:13
#1 Imouto
#2 Mother or Nee-san
#3 Daughter or Niece
#4 Childhood friend
#5 Tsundere

If a game contains none of these things then I don't see a point in playing it
#14 by kainlegacy535
2020-06-19 at 18:49
Look dude, there are tsunderes that aren't psycho, just a little rude or cold (and they generally have a reason for it). Those are like the best kind of chara out there (only my opinion tho).
#15 by yubiseiharukana
2020-06-23 at 04:38
Tsundere has been overused to the point where its just annoying, every modern anime and visual novel needs to have one for some reason and it just gets annoying after awhile.
#16 by naman-
2020-06-23 at 06:07
I think classical tsunderes are still far better than the modern ones. The modern ones are unbearable to the point that they can single handedly destroy my experience.
#17 by silvercover
2020-06-23 at 08:07
huh are you maybe mixing up classic from modern ones? cause unless things have drastically change from a few years ago, modern tsundere's from what ive seen usually just blush hard and deny their feelings/say harsh words to protag sometimes, whereas its the classic tsundere's that can go really hard in on being abusive.
#18 by encrypted12345
2020-06-23 at 08:33
My understanding of modern vs classic tsundere is that the modern version tends to be somewhat bipolar in that they are usually either very tsun or very dere at given point no matter how long time passes. Even late into the relationship, a modern tsundere can easily snap back to being tsun, even if the length of period that they are dere is longer than it used to be. The classic tsundere starts off very tsun at first but eventually eases up and becomes consistently more dere over time. At some point, they don't snap back to being tsun. An interesting example of this is Shizuka from the Rance series who hates Rance with a burning passion at first but then eventually eases up to him. And by eventually, I really mean eventually. They meet in Rance II, there are hints Shizuka likes Rance in VI, they have a somewhat romantic relationship in IX, and she's completely dere in X after a lot of mental turmoil over the issue.

@17 I think your confusion might be thinking that someone like Louise of Zero no Tsukaima is a classic tsundere when she's one of the earlier examples of the modern tsundere. I don't think that any recent modern tsundere have it as bad as her. She's better in the light novels, but in the anime, she was definitely screwy.Last modified on 2020-06-23 at 08:38

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