|#76 by ganz|
2013-09-07 at 18:44
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I don't agree with that. Unless it will be completely different story with the same name (which is not), old Tsukihime will act as a huge spoiler. I have no idea about story but the artwork in this remake is so much better. I wouldn't want to spoil even a tiny bit of the remake. So waiting till it's out and reading old Tsukihime after (if at all) sounds like better idea to me.Oh wow... spoiling...
You make it sounds like the new remake is certain to be better than the "old spoiler filled" Tsukihime. Hahaha.
If waiting for the remake sounds like a better idea to you, then do so. Though I don't remember this discussion is about you. If anything, it's about #70.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 19:00
|#77 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 18:52
|< report >Not necessarily better overall, but I don't expect Nasu to rewrite the story so much that it'll be way worse or way better. As for artwork, it is already clear it will be epic. Only because of this it worth to wait a bit more. |
"classic" means nothing. Being classic tells that it was good in it's own time. Of course story doesn't gets worse over time, but all other parts can't really compete with modern VN's anymore.
The thing is, those who already read it wouldn't ask the question to begin with. Those who don't... for them this is just yet another old VN. They are not losing anything by waiting a bit, but they will absolutely lose something if the story in remake will be at least as good as in old Tsukihime.
There are 3 possibilities:
1) story in remake will be better
2) story will be worse
3) story will be around the same level with minor changes and possibly H removed, new route (if will be included) is irrelevant.
Knowing TM, my choice is 3, not 1, as you thought. Yours maybe 2, but so far there is really no any evidence that allows you expect anything but 3.
Combined with the already superior artwork, it really makes sense to wait for it.
(no I don't think that possible lack of H is a downside. As long as it won't be replaced with some stupid filler)Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 19:10
|#78 by gerardlonewolf|
2013-09-07 at 19:17
|< report >I disagree. Don't read the remake. It spoils the original Tsukihime! O:Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 19:29|
|#79 by hyromaru|
2013-09-07 at 19:19
|< report >^this|
|#80 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 19:26
|< report >fanboys these days... ヽ(#ﾟДﾟ)ﾉ┌┛Σ(ノ´Д`)ノ|
|#81 by gabezhul|
2013-09-07 at 19:31
|< report >@Merup: The problem is that if there really will be a Satsuki route, it means one hell of a huge rewrite, since it would require more screen time for her at the beginning -and- her presence would probably mess up the plot of some other routes pretty damn hard (especially the near side routes, as there they couldn't just get rid of her off-screen like in the original, not to mention Nasu probably wouldn't kill her off in other routes to begin with, at least not in mid-route (which also means there will be changes in the events related to her in the far side routes as well)). In short, this thing is not just a "story will be around the same level with minor changes". |
Not to mention, AFAIK Nasu had made a lot of comments about how he was unsatisfied with Tsukihime and how he would have done many things differently if he were to write ittoday, so it is practically guaranteed that the "remake" will be much, much more throughout than a simple graphics-update, practically making your entire point moot. Hell, this remake has been in the works for years, how did it even get into your head that there would be only minor changes...? -.-'
|#82 by gerardlonewolf|
2013-09-07 at 19:33
|< report >@80 Do you feel better if I write "I agree. Don't read the old Tsukihime. It spoils the remake!"? O:Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 19:48|
|#83 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 19:43
|< report >gabezhul|
My point is made based on what they did so far and how they did it, not on what they "would have done if..."
And even if it will be very different, it won't be different enough to be able to call old Tsukihime something else than a huge spoiler. As for the how good the remake will be, we simply can't argue in this case. Still my main point is that you (I mean those who haven't read it yet) won't lose anything by waiting.
I would feel better if you won't talk at all.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 19:47
|#84 by vokoca|
2013-09-07 at 19:48
|< report >Yeah, I meant Kara no Kyoukai, sorry-- I sometimes get those two confused unless I think about the names properly. It’s funny, since I made this mistake jus a moment before posting, no idea how I managed to do it again.|
So, as I understand it, it’s still worth reading now, if only for the sake of comparison with th remake later? The reason I was asking this in the first place was because this thread gave me the impression that the music and the story structure had the potential to spoil the whole experience, as someone in the first posts mentioned they had to push themselves to read further - and that the music was painfully repetitive. I don’t really mind the art that much, I’ve read some pretty old things before.
Also, I don’t know how I came across as impatient, I was simply asking if it was better to hold off to get the "better experience" later, or if the old Tsukihime was fine as it was, despite the content of this thread. Since, you know, reading something for the first time is always more entertaining than the second way through, at least in relation to plot twists and the like.
|#85 by gerardlonewolf|
2013-09-07 at 19:48
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I would feel better if you won't talk at all.
If you can hear my voice just by reading my post, you better seek treatment. Preferably ASAP. I'm genuinely worried about you. O:Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 20:20
|#86 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 20:00
|< report >vokoca|
I was simply asking if it was better to hold off to get the "better experience" laterOf course it is better to hold off (in my opinion). Unless there is no anything else that you want to read in the meantime.
In any case if remake will turn out to be worse, everyone will talk about it. Then you can just proceed with old version first and compare yourself later.
There is enough information really. Just decide yourself.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 20:02
|#87 by xookix|
2013-09-07 at 20:01
|< report >My impatient comment is more of a general statement. I've seen countless times where people are asking if they are really working on a tsukihime remake or they're just trolling or something. I'm not saying you thought that, but patience is a virtue. And it goes back to the whole stuff will be rewritten point anyways. I really don't see a need to wait for the remake since, like gabe said, routes will be heavily modified. I would say play the classic first and try out the remake later on.|
|#88 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 20:05
|< report >Define "heavily modified"|
I don't see how you can modify it so that reading original 1st won't have an impact on your experience. It will be a totally different story then and should be called Tsukihime2 or something.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 20:06
|#89 by vokoca|
2013-09-07 at 20:07
|< report >Ah, thanks for the info, everyone. I couldn’t find much about the remake besides some news from years ago and one PV, so I was just confused if this was really happening, or if it was some kind of vaporware instead-- I guess I’ll have to search harder next time.|
I think I’ll hold off for now and see what happens. If the remake ends up being bad or drastically different, I’l go read the original first.
|#90 by xookix|
2013-09-07 at 20:10
|< report >Enough where i'm sure the routes will have lots of plot changes. Not to mention the addition of the Satsuki route, like gabe said, will change things around. By all means you can wait around and then find out it isn't voiced and brush it aside anyway.|
|#91 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 20:26
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By all means you can wait around and then find out it isn't voiced and brush it aside anyway.I don't see what are you getting at. Yes, I'm not going to read it, most likely. VN's with no voices are worthless for me (even mahoyo is still way down in my todo list). Plus I know the original already.
The discussion was about those who can't decide to read or to hold off. So far noone explained why reading old Tsukihime now, for the first time, is better. Chance that remake may turn out to be worse or too different is not a reason at all. Not until we'll know this for sure. It has equal chances to be the same or even better.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 20:38
|#92 by xookix|
2013-09-07 at 20:39
|< report >I'm not sure why you're trying to convince other people to wait when you're not going to read it yourself. There is no harm in reading the original right now. For those people that can't read Japanese, they'll have to wait several years anyway. You can always compare it to the remake down the road. Not to mention, like previously said, the "sequel" is in the old art as well.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 20:42|
|#93 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 20:54
|< report >I think vokoca mentioned somewhere that Japanese is fine for him. Unless I misunderstood that part or whatever. I mainly was talking about him, but figured out that it will be relatively the same for everyone who can't decide.|
Of course we don't know how fast it will be translated and if non-machine translation is a must - this is one more factor to consider.
But saying "There is no harm in reading the original right now" is wrong. You simply have no ground for this until at least some more info about remake is available. Or maybe even trial is out.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 20:56
|#94 by gerardlonewolf|
2013-09-07 at 21:01
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I mainly was talking about him#74 was quoting #71 and wrote about how he wouldn't even want to spoil even a tiny bit of the remake because the artwork is better.
Basically, Merup opinion is correct and everyone else is wrong. The end. /sLast modified on 2013-09-07 at 21:10
|#95 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 21:31
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#74 was quoting #71 and wrote about how he wouldn't even want to spoil even a tiny bit of the remake because the artwork is better.I don't understand what do you mean. I did wrote that. Artwork is better and I don't expect Nasu to suddenly ruin the story. Of course I expect improved sound too. I was quoting something I was disagreeing with. It doesn't means that all of what I said was directed to that person.
Anyway. It's not about who is right or wrong. But when someone with a great confidence says that "it won't harm..." There really should be some better reasons for that than the ones already mentioned. Making someone to read it now and possibly ruin the experience later just because you already read Tukihime and liked it is just selfish.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 21:34
|#96 by loctar87|
2013-09-07 at 22:05
|< report >@95 Some of your arguments might make sense if this remake were coming out tomorrow, or next month. But this remake has no release date, and may never come out, much less in English. |
It seems like you are just looking down on VNs without voices, probably because you've never played any. Umineko, Higurashi, Tsukihime, Sengoku Rance, all of these games are in the top 25, despite not having a single voiced line. (Umineko has some ported voices now, but it earned all those votes when it didn't.) You're denying yourself some of the best VNs for no good reason.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 22:07
|#97 by gerardlonewolf|
2013-09-07 at 22:09
|< report >xookix, why are you so selfishLast modified on 2013-09-07 at 22:11|
|#98 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 22:30
|< report >loctar87|
Tsukihime is there for a long time. I really think that even if remake is still few years away, for those who haven't read the original it doesn't makes much difference. Unless, as I said, you don't have anything else to read.
I've read tsukihime, but something like Umineko or Higurashi I won't ever read. Regardless of how good the story is. They look too awful for my taste. This is not only about voices. Before voiceless VN's worked for me. Today I'll simply read VN from other company that can afford to add voices to begin with. And that can afford to draw proper backgrounds.
Still how this is related to the topic?
Edit: It's TL;DR, I know, so I mentioned that I'm not looking forward to the remake cause it probably won't have voices. This was simply a side note.Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 22:59
|#99 by albedo|
2013-09-07 at 23:01
|< report >#98 There was a whole topic about Umineko and how to make it look decent...Last modified on 2013-09-07 at 23:01|
|#100 by merup|
2013-09-07 at 23:25
|< report >I appreciate your suggestions about Umineko etc. I saw that thread. I'll consider reading it and trying to do what it says. But so far I don't have much motivation to put any effort into it, instead of just reading some other VN.|