Finally got around to reading this dumpster fire

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#1 by lorescothe
2020-07-19 at 12:03
< report >The game starts by giving you a bunch of trigger warnings about how "disturbing" the game is, and how it "shouldn't be played by children", though it was a thousand times tamer than a lot of shit I'd seen by age 10. Like c'mon, might sound like old man talk but back when I was that age all the lads had seen shit like lemon party and rotten.com
Aside from the fact that you generally understand what is going to start happening, the game doesn't develop the characters enough to make you attached to them. Rather, they're all bland and have no real characterisation which the writer tries to justify by saying "hurr durr they're supposed to be progammed characters it's fourth wall breaking dude XDDD so deeep".
The dialogue is cringey, which like I said was written off by the writer (no shitty pun intended) with the reason in spoilers above.
Of course, if he wrote things better, made it longer, and didn't flash the trigger warning at the start, it could have been decent.
Then you've got the "muh depression" bullshit from Sayori. She comes out blatantly and says she "has had depression her whole life", as if it's some kind of inborn illness. (It's all the rage after all, being depressed.)

Dunno. Time to go take a piss.
#2 by funnerific
2020-07-19 at 16:49
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Like c'mon, might sound like old man talk but back when I was that age all the lads had seen shit like lemon party and rotten.com
Ah, that takes me back... We saw so much shit back then.

As for the warnings, they might be legally obliged to do this? I dunno, but I can think of a couple VNs spoiled by content warnings: ef - a fairy tale of the two, and Sakuranomori Dreamers. If you're not the easily triggered sort, it's better to avoid reading such warnings.
#3 by hunlepto
2020-07-19 at 19:01
< report >But how do you even avoid warnings like those without knowing about them first? I know it's dumb, but you can't do anything with that, probably the only thing you can do is that you start the game then immedietly leave and wait to get something to eat or something else. But there's no way a person will do this every single time, especially not when first starting the VN.
#4 by funnerific
2020-07-19 at 22:25
< report >#3 if you see a warning, don't read it. Look away. I kinda recommend doing that with VN OPs too because a lot of them contain lategame CGs, sometimes with spoilers.
#5 by shinytentacool
2020-07-19 at 22:50
< report >Is this the MGS2 of visual novels?

I think what it does is cool, but I hate how people idolize it like it's the most amazing thing ever.
#6 by altonan
2020-07-20 at 02:52
< report >What did you expect from meme fodder garbage? This was made by a guy who stated that he wanted to mock visual novel audiences, despite him not knowing the difference between VN's and dating sims.
#7 by minhbaodlld
2020-07-20 at 09:40
< report >I think that you take it way too seriously due to people hyping it up and it not meeting your expectation. It's a free game, only roughly 5 hours long so it has to be quick and to a point so character is not fledged out is expected. Free game so more exposure, and many people are sheltered unlike yourself @lorescothe, so giving some precaution before hand doens't seem like a bad ideas

The thing people raise it is more on subverting the usual VN trope, save and load mechanic and game file manipulation. Lots of interesting things happen in-game and game directory as you progress, so it's more of a technical feat rather than a full-fledged VN game. If you want to know more search "Game Theory Doki Doki literature club" on YouTube

@altonan clearly you haven't reach true end of the game and read the dev letter, the developer does not hate VN in fact he/she love it and fond of its storytelling and want to push VN further. I don't do it justice here so look it up if you want to, I think steam guide has it if you don't mind spoilerLast modified on 2020-07-20 at 09:41
#8 by altonan
2020-07-21 at 02:09
< report >@7 The developer literally tweeted that he was try to quote: make fun of weeb games. Granted, he also tweeted that wanted to change people’s perception that VN’s could only be weeb games.

Like I’ve mentioned before; the biggest problem with DDLC is that's it’s trying to be a parody/deconstruction, without understanding the subject matter it's parodying/deconstructing. The best example of this is when Monika claims she messed with Yuri's emotions and deleted the other girls by messing around with the game files. But that's not how, visual novels work, that's how crappy writers who work on daytime television think visual novels work. Firstly, VN's don't have a system to track their characters emotional points, that's a dating sim system. In VN's its just a few choices before you're on a specific characters route, so they don't need a system that complicated. The author either got these two mixed up or thinks they're the same thing. Secondly, unless it's one of those gameplay based VN which are more RPG's then VNs, then it doesn't make sense to need something as complicated as character files. The problem is that DDLC doesn't set itself up as either dating sim or gameplay based VN, instead it sets its self up as more of a parody of a basic moege. It’s funny you mentioned Game Theory since the Game Theory episode on DDLC literally mentions these points.

To it's credit the art is passable, the story, (inside a vacuum) you have to admit is not terrible and I can even see how it's capable to affecting a reader emotionally but DDLC received the attention it did more because it was filled with dark themes, horror, fan theory bait, yanderes and fourth wall breaks, basically things which guarantee your game will become a meme. IMO has more merit as meme fodder than as an actual good piece of literature.

But yeah, DDLC is one of those try hard “post-modern”, it subverted my expectations, this story contains mature themes therefore this automatically makes this story deep type games.
#9 by behappyeveryday
2020-07-21 at 03:20
< report >@1 "Of course, if he wrote things better, made it longer, and didn't flash the trigger warning at the start, it could have been decent."
Actually, there is a game just like this, lol.
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And it was released way before dokidoki.
#10 by adamstan
2020-07-21 at 04:45
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Firstly, VN's don't have a system to track their characters emotional points, that's a dating sim system. In VN's its just a few choices before you're on a specific characters route, so they don't need a system that complicated.

@8 Actually it happens in some VNs also - usually in those with lots of choices also during the routes. Yume Miru Kusuri comes to mind. Entering a route is one thing, but during the route there are choices, by which you set flags or gather invisible "relationship points". Fail to get them all, and you get bad ending - and not immediate one right after the choice. Many people who got Mizuki's bad end were baffled when they discovered why it happened.Last modified on 2020-07-21 at 04:46
#11 by minhbaodlld
2020-07-21 at 07:35
< report >@8 well I don't think messing up the file has anything to do with subverting VN trope, I don't think many games do that at all, imo it's an experiment to implement ARG (alternate reality game) element to gameplay more than anything, as you play the game more info show up in directory, image file/ sound file that are encrypted and if decrypted lead to more info about character/ game

I don't think it's qualified as a dating sims at all, the only thing you do is choosing words to please a girl so you can have some intimate moment in order to subvert the ending to see them killed/ suicide and Monika. The "relationship" is just a mean to an end rather than the end itself

Another subversion is abusing save/load to achieve true end where you can "have" all the cakes and eat them too instead of one like usual VN if that makes sense (trying not to spoil). I'm going to explain the save/load mechanic here and spoil true end so turn back if spoiler bothers you To achieve true end you play the game 3 times. Save before writing the first poem, write poems that appeared to only one girl each playthrough, before Saori suicide scene, load the first save and do another route till you finish all three girls then you would get true end and the dev letter to player.Last modified on 2020-07-21 at 07:35
#12 by ryudb
2020-08-03 at 19:47
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Then you've got the "muh depression" bullshit from Sayori. She comes out blatantly and says she "has had depression her whole life", as if it's some kind of inborn illness. (It's all the rage after all, being depressed.)
Depression is a mental illness, though. She's obviously not being literal when she says she's had depression her whole life, but it is entirely possible for someone to suffer from that since their childhood or pre-teen years. It's not that depression is "all the rage" nowadays, people are just taking it more seriously compared to how this was handled some decades ago, when depression was treated like someone acting sad for attention or just a state of melancholy that will go away with time. Thus, depressed people are being more open about it than they used to, which is a good thing because they can seek professional help as quickly as possible.

Anyway, sounds more to me like you played DDLC with the intention of disliking it from the get-go just to spite on the people who were hyping it up. Granted, I don't think it's a masterpiece or anything either, I even rated it a 6/10 for similar reasons (underdeveloped characters, over-reliance on the meta elements and the shock factor from the first playthrough making it somewhat underwhelming to revisit) but for all intents and purposes it's a decently made VN, there's far worse stuff out there.Last modified on 2020-08-03 at 19:48
#13 by silvercover
2020-08-04 at 03:32
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@10
actually there are VNs there that do kinda a system of tracking if you have enough "points" to get into the route of one heroine over the other and this can be done in multiple ways with different choices. off the top of my head, I can think of Flyable Heart that does this, you can miss like 1 or 2 choices for that heroine and still get into their route.
#14 by kuribo4
2021-04-13 at 19:53
< report >Actually, it has disturbing content. That you aren't shocked by it personally doesn't change the fact that disturbong subject matter is included.

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