How readable is this without native level jp?

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#1 by fuukanou
2020-08-14 at 00:16
< report >I've always been interested in reading VNs from light as they seem very dramatic and cool.
However, since attemping to read the Muramasa demo and having the reality of how little complicated/uncommon Japanese words I know and my inability to understand old-timey Japanese thrust in front of me, I've become very wary of games like this.

Particularly screenshots 2 (link) and 7 (link) worry me because 2 contains a whole bunch of "yes these are some words, giving the reading doesn't help me understand what the hell it's saying" and 7 because of the funky accent. I can just about read the other screenshots fine.

Does this sort of stuff that I'm bad with happen a lot in the game? I understand I'm gonna be hitting up the dictionary a lot but do I have any chance of properly understanding it while reading it? (btw no i'm not going to use mtl don't even bother asking, i'd have a better chance understanding the japanese than the garbage that mtl spews out). My level of Japanese is just about good enough to read Mahoyo (with a lot of looking up vocab but that's okay) if that helps.

in addition how philosophical does it get because i absolutely hate bs philosophy lecturesLast modified on 2020-08-14 at 00:21
#2 by harleyquin
2020-08-14 at 00:45
< report >Can you read the Dies Irae series by the same writer without help? If you can and like what you read, this one won't be a problem. If you don't like the over the top world building and action writing, then pick one of the works done by the Silverio team (similar writing style but easier to read and arguably less compelling).

As for your screenshots, number 2 is quite typical of the action scenes when one party had a long chant before deploying a powerful attack. You don't have to understand what's being written word for word and line by line, that's asking readers to know Shinto prayers by heart at the first asking.

The second screenshot isn't hard to read because the sentence structure is still familiar despite the antiquated speaking manner. Lots of characters in other games speak like that, so getting used to the way they inflect certain common verbs is the only additional hurdle as far as comprehension is concerned.
#3 by mdzz
2020-08-14 at 01:12
< report >Reading through this right now, currently starting Chapter 4 so take that into account:

I don't think that the grammar/vocabulary is on a level of its own, but compared to Muramasa, I'd say it's probably harder. There's a distinct difference in difficulty between reading the battle scenes (and to an extent, the general dialogue in the dream world amongst the ensemble) and the day world. Latter is substantially easier than the former - but latter is still tougher than many works out there. The work's difficulty is less in its density and more in its verbosity; you have to be comfortable reading filling-up-the-entire-textbox lines consistently.

The work is probably harder than Mahoyo by a fair amount (judging from VNDB screenshots at least).

I can't comment too much on the philosophy since I'm not too deep in the game. But from what I can tell, there hasn't been any long-winded diatribes about how the world should be run yet.

Senshinkan has a prologue (like Dies Irae) - if you can read the prologue (should take under an hour), you can probably read the rest of the work.
#4 by fuukanou
2020-08-14 at 01:18
< report >#2, Thanks for the reply. I've never read a light VN (in any language) before unfortunately so I can't compare. Can you give any indication as to whether the screenshots provided are a reasonable estimation about how hard-to-read the game is?

Having looked over that second screenshot again much more carefully and looked up some phrases (like 目立ってなんぼよ), I still can't understand the "出られんけゆうて" (is it like 出られないと言って? Would i be able to guess it with better/more context?), so if you're saying speech like this happens a lot in this game then I'm gonna have to call it a miss unfortunately.

#3, thanks for the reply too. Not going to lie you're scaring me a bit but I might attempt the prologue. I just worry that I'm gonna get a decent chunk through the game and then it starts getting to a level that I can't understand one bit (but I can't stop because I paid good money for the game).Last modified on 2020-08-14 at 01:23
#5 by mdzz
2020-08-14 at 01:29
< report >^ I'd download the trial if you're not sure.

The battle scenes don't (or at least haven't) taken up the majority of the reading time. I'd say up to Chapter 4, it's more daytime world than night time. Daytime world is way, way easier than nighttime dream world -- and even in the dream world, difficulty depends on what's going on (narrator describing the battle + the events = the harder reading; dialogue tends to be pretty straightforward with some historical flavor). I haven't reached a point where I've been completely lost (yet).

I still stand by the idea that if you can see yourself reading through the prologue, then the rest of the game will probably be fine. The prologue is hard compared to the first few hours of the game after that (which take place during the day).
#6 by fuukanou
2020-08-14 at 01:42
< report >#5, cool, I will give it a go, thanks a lot for your help.
#7 by harleyquin
2020-08-14 at 01:45
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Having looked over that second screenshot again much more carefully and looked up some phrases (like 目立ってなんぼよ), I still can't understand the "出られんけゆうて" (is it like 出られないと言って? Would i be able to guess it with better/more context?), so if you're saying speech like this happens a lot in this game then I'm gonna have to call it a miss unfortunately.

That particular speech pattern is the Oiran speech pattern with a Kansai dialect. Plenty of characters in this database use that speech pattern. It's getting used to it which takes time, because what she's saying in that screenshot isn't difficult at all.

If you're never read any of this studio's works before, there are line by line playthroughs in Japanese on YouTube for the Dies Irae series. If you can understand those without subtitles this work won't be a problem. Alternatively do what was suggested and try the prologue first.

As for the plot, I didn't find the setting attractive enough to try it out so cannot comment. What I've read elsewhere suggests this is classic Masada with some social commentary thrown in.
#8 by fuukanou
2020-08-18 at 00:28
< report >wow that prologue doesn't hold back with the words i've never seen before. The very start of the prologue was like "huh this is really easy who can't read this"... and then when the actual battle bit began I was like "oh i see, yes this isn't easy". Took me about an hour and 20 minutes to read it but it seemed kinda cool. If you say the prologue is as hard as it gets, it's doable but not easy by any stretch.
#9 by fuukanou
2020-09-04 at 15:58
< report >Alright having played this game to the end, I can safely say that the prologue is indeed pretty much as hard as it gets, aside from some random norito and buddhist prayer (?) lines that hardly anyone probably properly understands. As said before, it gets wordy af in places, and there are some expressions the writer loves to throw in (take a shot every time something gets compared to piss and shit... does this dude have any other comparisons?). There is some philosophy but it's not in vast amounts and is actually comprehensible and reasonable.

Dan Karuma is the only one who speaks with that historic accent, but indeed he is understandable if you just consider the context in which he's speaking (i.e. hail mary guess and pray). Still there were too many times where I just understood the gist of what he was trying to say rather than the exact conjugation for comfort, but through context of the next few lines after it usually became clear.

also idk what's up with it but even though the site says it supports up to and including 4k, it has some weird behaviour at 4k (all animations/transitions are skipped leaving to a choppy af experience) but i found that reducing your resolution to the very arbitrary resolution of 3552x1998 or below fixes this problem.Last modified on 2020-09-05 at 01:22


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