I think my opinion is quite different.....

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#1 by amansas
2020-08-16 at 20:08
< report >So.... I know i am late to playing this game... But I played eiyuu senki before this.... And what can I say? Maybe it's just that my head is broken but i found that eiyuu senki's gameplay, CG and story were much much better than Sengoku Rance.... So, I was just wondering whether Eiyuu senki really is better or is it just in my head?? Since so many people have such a high opinion of Sengoku Rance....

Could you please tell me what you think and explain as to why,if at all, SR's gameplay is better??Last modified on 2020-08-16 at 20:14
#2 by kratoscar2008
2020-08-16 at 20:33
< report >Sengoku has NTR so it's already shitter than Eiyuu Senki.
#3 by behappyeveryday
2020-08-17 at 16:58
< report >@1 IDK how anyone in the world can consider Eiyuu Senki's gameplay better than Sengoku Rance's. Battles and conquest are really simplified in Senki and the world map doesn't mean shit because you can't be attacked by anyone, there is no challenge or tactics. In Sengoku, countries can attack each other and they can attack you - in fact, depending on your choice, you could be under attack of multiple countries at the same time. You can also choose to attack any country you want (and be crushed if you are overconfident, lol), you should make plans and THINK how to proceed with the conquest - both Senki games are more or less linear, conquest order only changes difficulty a little.

Senki is just a casual oversimplified version of Sengoku, moreover, it has zero replayability. There are way too many reasons to consider Sengoku as a better strategy game. I can understand though if you like it less because it has a darker and more serious plot. But because of gameplay? Lol.Last modified on 2020-08-17 at 17:01
#4 by amansas
2020-08-24 at 16:46
< report >@3 hmm... now that you mention it, yes senki does lack a few things, but the only moves the commanders can do in Sengoku are either linear attacks or single target attacks, whereas in senki you have attacks of all sorts and shapes and it actually takes the stats of the heroes into account, the other day i used Uesugi Kenshin with an Attack of 9 and yet she did a damage of only 150, lmao.... no offence tho. Also, in senki too, countries can attack you and you have to defend to not lose territory. Granted Senki has zero replayability, but i find rance's true story to be a bit of a cliche... you know accident happens, hero's good friend goes bad or somthing, you lose a friend(slave) or 2 and then you set off on another journey to revive dead friend, etc... oh and senki has a 3X3 player board, which makes all sorts of new moves possible, unlike Rance's 2X3 board.Also, as i said, it may just be my head, but nevertheless, thanks for bringing the good elements of Rance to my notice!
#5 by behappyeveryday
2020-08-25 at 02:32
< report >@4 IDK how are you playing, maybe you missed something, but in Sengoku the damage of Attack 9 unit would be much higher than that of Attack 5 unit, just, from what I remember, the number of troops is more important in Sengoku. Of course, if you attacked a unit with a high defense which is also under guard status then your damage would be small.

Also, there is one important game mechanic that is present in Sengoku and isn't in Senki - defending your troops by footsoldiers. Another thing is - catching your enemies. The variety of skills is literally the only thing that Senki did better than Rance.Last modified on 2020-08-25 at 02:34
#6 by bobjr2000
2020-08-25 at 05:08
< report >Depends on what your examining and looking for. In terms of game play mechanics I agree guy above Rance did a much better job despite its age. I could say the same thing about the older pokemon game vs the newer ones as well. But everything else feels very aged to me about Rance, the art, sex scenes, I think no voiced lines if I remember correctly, ect.

It depends on why playing vn in first place. Personal I didn't come for game aspect though that might be majority reason others were. If wanted a fun tactical/rpg plenty of others out there that are better. I came for boning and enjoyed senki more because of it.
#7 by behappyeveryday
2020-08-25 at 08:48
< report >@6 IDK, I'm yet to find any tactical turn-based strategy game which would be better than Sengoku Rance. Any examples? Total War, Crusader Kings, and Civilization series are the closest things to it, but they are completely different in-game mechanics and combat in them is shit. Those games are more about developing/managing your kingdom economically and technologically rather than conquering the world with tactical turn-based combat and many units. If you just want to fap then there are countless other nukiges out there, there is no reason to play something plot and gameplay heavy.Last modified on 2020-08-25 at 08:49
#8 by bobjr2000
2020-08-25 at 15:46
< report >Valkeryie X-com, Rottk, Age of wonder, dragon origin, just ones of top of head. But you are right their are other fap material which is why play vn in own way. Can skip a lot and no plans to play it again. I flap nukiges not for complete mindless sex otherwise just go to regular porn and jump into action first 2 seconds. I find that too boring.
#9 by behappyeveryday
2020-08-25 at 17:45
< report >@8 I wouldn't say anything you mentioned is better, X-COM is of a different genre altogether and closer to FFT. And what the hell is Dragon Origin? I hope you aren't talking about Dragon Age because it is a different genre as well.Last modified on 2020-08-25 at 17:46
#10 by matty123
2020-08-25 at 21:36
< report >Sengoku's gameplay was much better than Senki's for me, on harder difficulties Sengoku is a legitimate challenge where as Senki was a boring snoozefest. The different routes in Sengoku gave much more replayability as well as they mostly play a little differently and the amount of things to complete in Sengoku merits at least 2 or 3 full playthroughs not to mention that since Sengoku is a Sandbox the game can play completely differently depending on the actions you take (to a degree).

Gotta agree with behappyeveryday I have never found a strategy game that is quite like Sengoku the closest I have played is probably Diabanchou another Alicesoft game through that's more in feel than gameplay. Sengoku would be a great game even without the porn where as Senki is much much duller without the adult content for me at least.
#11 by sanahtlig
2020-08-25 at 21:49
< report >I couldn't even make it past the prologue of Eiyuu Senki Gold because the dialogue was so mind-numbingly boring. There are people that think that's great writing?Last modified on 2020-08-27 at 02:41
#12 by behappyeveryday
2020-08-26 at 03:49
< report >@10 The closest game to Sengoku would be Kichikuou Rance, after all, it is the game's predecessor gameplay-wise, moreover, it has some mechanics that weren't inherited by Sengoku - you can try it out. There is also a game like Daibanchou - Daiteikoku, though it isn't completely translated.
#13 by bango
2020-08-26 at 18:22
< report >@11 It's better than your spelling, at the very least. Mr.Numinlig. There is really no need to dump on one game over the other. Both offer different experiences and have strengths and weaknesses. People can enjoy one over the other without needing to completely write off the other as a mind numbing experience or a rape fest.Last modified on 2020-08-26 at 18:26
#14 by sanahtlig
2020-08-27 at 02:56
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Both offer different experiences and have strengths and weaknesses. People can enjoy one over the other
That wasn't my point at all. I commented on the story/writing. Explain to me how these are better or even "good" in the Eiyuu Senki series. I reject the idea that everything is 100% subjective. If that were true the entire concept of quality would go out the window and literally anyone who could string a sentence together could be a writer.
#15 by vninfohata
2020-08-27 at 08:33
< report >Eiyuu Senki is pretty fun :)

Dunno about Sengoku Rance yet.Last modified on 2020-08-27 at 14:11
#16 by bango
2020-08-27 at 13:35
< report >@14 I played both, and both games have the same main writer. She's just guided a different way for each game. I honestly didn't notice a drop in quality between the two, they're just two different pieces of work aimed at a different audience. If you personally found Eiyu Senki's writing boring because it's not as heavy as Rance's, it's not fair to say it's because it's just worse. (After this I noticed you're probably talking about the English versions? In that case the point doesn't stand so well. What I mean is that both series are competently written.)Last modified on 2020-08-27 at 14:36
#17 by sanahtlig
2020-08-27 at 18:04
< report >I played Eiyuu Senki Gold in Japanese. I don't think most people would say Sengoku Rance's selling point is its rich story (or that it's narrative is "heavy"), but the writing IS very original: you won't find a protagonist quite like Rance, and the situations that result from his bizarre behavior are often ridiculous and hilarious. This originality IS a selling point.
#18 by bango
2020-08-27 at 18:24
< report >That's fair. It's true that Rance is unique and that he allows for a lot of great situations in whatever setting he's put into. But at least I personally love Eiyu Senki for the easygoing approach they have to the story. How each historical figure has little nods to their real life counterparts, or the little scenes where they mention each city's specialty or just random factoids about whatever region they're in. And it also can be quite funny and entertaining to read if you're in the mood for something not so serious. Rance is a very special series that has been going for far longer than Eiyu Senki, and I won't say its protagonist is anything special, but I guess it's the girls that make up for it in my mind. They really steal the show. (Also I guess I'm a little biased because I'm the translator of Gold.) What I mean is that I appreciate both series, and don't really see how they're written worse than the other. They're just allocating their focus on something else.Last modified on 2020-08-27 at 18:36
#19 by tremmy
2020-09-07 at 01:30
< report >Playing Eiyuu Senki now and I'm honestly bored to the point of nearly dropping it. Even on hard there is simply no challenge here. Absolute ton of boring filler dialogue that serves no purpose other than to toss some gold at your feet that you don't even need. Characters are boring with no interesting interactions. Nothing feels like it matters at all. Every choice you made in SR mattered to the point that if you screwed up even a bit you'd find yourself save scumming pretty quick, and it had plenty of interesting character interactions along the way. I'm hoping it gets better at some point.
#20 by secmess
2021-02-07 at 23:35
< report >I personally like the fact that Eiyuu Senki doesn't give me any reason to save scum, is the greatest reason to put it over Sengoku Rance.

I just can't play Sengoku Rance like any other H game: leisurely. If I really wanted to play competitive or challenging games, I don't play H games at all.

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