Adding sponsus for sponsoring vndb

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#1 by brunoais
2020-10-07 at 09:32
< report >I know there are already two options for giving money to vndb but I want to see both vndb and sponsus continuing thriving so here I go!

Why sponsus for VNDB:

1. The % given to creators is higher than most competitors. Adding all fees, sponsus is at 7% + 0.3 per sponsor, all included. It even announces how much cut they take (hopefully to go down later). Subscribestar is [7.9%+0.3$ + >3$ checkout fee] and patreon is [(8.9% | 10.9%)+0.3$] depending on the tear.
2. Sponsus API is very straightforward to work with. Speaking from experience.
3. Sponsus loads very fast and doesn't have much of the clutter. Patreon have been getting.

I've been in contact with the creator Cerulean. Among other significant celebrities, Lawful masses strongly supports sponsus: link.

I really got invested in such great platform since a couple of friends started using it and I was commissioned to make small API integrations with it such as extracting the list of sponsors... Much easier and straightforward than patreon's API (I don't know subscribestar's API, btw).

I recommend that you, at least, give sponsus a try. I hope I can see that website built with love and not greed to grow...
#2 by Yorhel
2020-10-07 at 09:52
< report >Two things: Taxes and users.

I can't see on the Sponsus site if and how they handle VAT. I'd have used Liberapay instead of Subscribestar (even lower fees and better ethics), but I am unable to legally (or at least, somewhat safely) do so due to their lack of VAT handling.

The second one: How many people will be supporting VNDB through Sponsus and is that worth the effort of maintaining a third option? Obviously the only answer to that is "give it a try", but I see no real indication that it'll be used much. We'll likely be better off with Ko-fi if we're after an existing userbase.

I'm pretty happy with SubscribeStar as alternative to Patreon. Literally nobody's happy with Patreon's business model and ethics, but it's painfully obvious that very few people are willing to vote with their wallet...
#3 by brunoais
2020-10-07 at 10:34
< report >I see. Tax handling. That one is indeed a big deal. I'll see if there's anything that can be solved with that. For now, it seems to be handled through stripe.
Ofc it's not just a "git it a try" as you mention. Most mention that but I wonder if they really mean it.
However, the missing tax handling is, no doubt, a problem that needs handling.

I'll see with sponsus owner if that issue can be solved.

As for userbase, that's the usual issue. It's the chicken&egg problem with starting a new system.

Thank you for taking the time to answer me.
#4 by ninius
2020-10-07 at 11:32
< report >@Yorhel, What's wrong with Patreon? Just wondering, I don't know much about these sponsoring things.
#5 by brunoais
2020-10-07 at 11:49
< report >@ninius It's more expensive, they are using all fuzziness of their rules to deplatform the ones that are hosting images in their system and not earning in the thousands.
Just search for banned on patreon online and you will see lots of videos of creators that were outright banned or coerced to leave Patreon. Including how they enforce their rules on all other platforms.
How they still haven't done that with VNDB because +18 images are hosted here as VN screenshots, I still don't know.

There's also the anime ban too! linkLast modified on 2020-10-07 at 11:52
#6 by ecchihieronymus
2020-10-07 at 11:50
< report >#4

From what I know Patreon would be PERFECT because it supports PayPal and applies VAT correctly. The problem arises from them having PayPal as a payment method, though, because PayPal pushes their ethics onto Patreon, that means no controversial content like incest, lolicon, bestiality or political stuff like 'hate speech', although I don't really care about the latter anymore.
They also apply their ethics arbitrarily. They use guilt by association to ban you or force you to change, like #5 pointed out. Let's assume you link people to your patreon, where you don't post any offensive content, from your website where you upload your incest-laden 3DCG Daz Ren'Py title. Patreon will ban you or force you to comply because you linked to them on a non-patreon platform.

You said something outrageous on Twitter? Patreon bans/deplatforms you. Which is their right as a private business but it's a very shitty stance to take.Last modified on 2020-10-07 at 12:01
#7 by brunoais
2020-10-07 at 11:54
< report >PayPal is falling from grace. I'm getting mad with mastercard too.
Those two are censoring the internet and they are trying to leverage their near monopoly.
VISA is being much more neutral in this aspect. They are the highest share and they deserve for how, comparatively, little they are enforcing on who they do business with.
#8 by Yorhel
2020-10-07 at 12:04
< report >Apart from the arbitrary deplatforming of creators as mentioned before, I also take issue with their business model. It ought to be pretty easy, obvious and reliable for a donations platform to sustain itself through transaction fees, but instead of bootstrapping the business that way they took more venture capitalist investment than they have a chance of earning back anytime soon. Their already high fees won't be enough to cover the investments, so if they don't find other creative ways to exploit their users they'll go bankrupt sooner rather than later.
#9 by ecchihieronymus
2020-10-07 at 12:10
< report >I'm still amazed at how JAST and KaguraGames both got PayPal on board, like 2/3 monoceros titles included Incest and KaguraGames has games with shota and characters that either are loli or can be turned into loli.

I'll be happy, as long as I can purchase DMM Points with PayPal and 90% of translated games/VNs on JAST with PayPal. Those last 10% will have to be with MasterCard at MG. MG should try to get GPay on board for that sweet sweet PayPal loophole on GPay <3.Last modified on 2020-10-07 at 12:10
#10 by butterflygrrl
2020-10-07 at 14:26
< report >#7

PayPal has been weirdly back and forth about their porn policies ever since their creation. They were absolutely anything goes for a while when they were new and lots of amateur porn models ran their entire sites paypal only, then cracked down super hard to 'you can't even be NEAR 18+ content', then mellowed to some kind of weird space in between.

so it's kind of weird to me to see you say they're "falling from grace" because paypal's biggest push to try and de-porn the internet was a VERY long time ago.
#11 by ninigi
2020-10-07 at 14:35
< report >Well, it's not just about porn though. Paypal is also known for their arbitrary bans.
#12 by brunoais
2020-10-07 at 15:52
< report >@yorhel I got an update from sponsus boss. By law, he can't collect tax in the name of the sponsored users because to do that requires the website to collect 85000$ per month. He's still barely half way from it.
So, it's a sad stalemate.
There's the tax report that stripe builds but it's not the same.Last modified on 2020-10-07 at 15:53
#13 by vninfohata
2020-10-07 at 16:31
< report >I have heard someone is working on a credit card processor for eroge, but I can't talk more about it.
#14 by grravity
2020-12-12 at 16:13
< report >I was planning on suggesting Liberapay, but it looks like that has already been mentioned.


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