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#1 by pirkaf
2011-06-23 at 18:39
I'm following Rin's route and so far I'm really enjoying this VN. I even stopped playing the infamous G-senjou because of this. I really enjoy heartwarming school romances the most. This VN may not be as good and original as Quartett, but it seems it's much longer at least and character designes are very very cute (and very loli), as expected from Littlewitch..
#2 by usagi
2012-08-15 at 09:59
character designes are very very cute (and very loli), as expected from Littlewitch..
Btw, if you talking about loli - why lolicon tag here is so downvoted? I know, technically in the game story all girls there are 15-16 y.o. - i.e. not lolies. But what about art or loli heroine tag? In definition there is this line:

"At least one of the heroines is a loli. She's either an underage girl or has the looks of one.Her age matters not one bit when it comes to her classification as a loli. This is only about appearance."

Of course they are not toddler level lolies or something but they are definitely lolies nevertheless. And one of the most natural and genuine lolies I ever seen to boot. And they definitely are not pettanko heroines only - because their loliness is expressed through all body features - not only through breast size.
So if we have loli heroines tag and eroscenes with them - it automatically means it should have lolicon tag. But somehow there is struggle against it 0_0 I'm interested in motives here )) Moralfags do not want to dirty themselves with lolicons or what?Last modified on 2012-08-15 at 10:10
#3 by krafty
2012-08-15 at 13:40
This is just a guess as I am not very familiar with Little Witch's art, but I think the problem is about context.
In the context of visual novel art in general, I agree with you that the characters fit what is generally considered "loli".
However, in the context of Little Witch's style, the characters' build and figure do actually correspond to the age the author gave them.
Again, this is just a guess as I haven't played the game yet so I don't even know what all the characters look like.Last modified on 2012-08-15 at 13:41
#4 by usagi
2012-08-15 at 18:51
Hmm - you always can see screenshots and characters tab for yourself )
However, in the context of Little Witch's style, the characters' build and figure do actually correspond to the age the author gave them.
Now I'm really interested how Oyari Ashito would draw 10-11 y.o. for example 0_0 Since for me his usual drawing style of 14-15 y.o. is the most close to the age of 10-11 )Last modified on 2012-08-15 at 18:58
#5 by horseband
2012-08-15 at 19:52
The heroines in this game are pettanko (small boobs) but act like high school mature girls for the most part. I really don't think small boobs instantly makes someone loli. I don't see where you are getting the "their whole body is loli" thing from. They all look like American/European models to me. They have the same body type (extremely skinny and slightly bony).
link <- How is that loli >_>? It's a very model like body and she's tall and slender.

With that said, Rin could probably be classified as loli if you really wanted. She's typical loli size and acts a bit childish. Koto too. (which is why there is a loli heroine tag). Their sex scenes are not loli themed though.

Loli is usually a combination of appearance and how they act, and the tag lolicon is for SEX scenes that have loli characters and loli themes. I think you are ignoring the second half of the loli tag
related lolicon themes.

There really isn't any of that in this game. The girls are not presented as loli in their actions. The lolicon tag isn't specifically for looks, thats what the loli heroine tag is for. The lolicon tag is to tag a novel that has sex scenes that basically caters to lolicon. Anyone who goes into this game expecting sexual lolicon content is going to be disappointed, especially considering only two of the heroines could really classify as loli and even then it's not focused on at all.

Edit:I think you are using one screenshot of the game as your "They look loli" sentiment. The blonde girl, Yukina, in the 2nd Japanese screenshot is what she looked like when she was a kid. She's only like that for part of her route. I can understand how you would see that screenshot and assume it's a lolicon game.

I think if you just play it you'll see it doesn't have any of the typical trappings of a lolicon game. Honestly I think it's a little ridiculous to vote a 3.0 on a tag when you haven't even played the game and you are basing it off one or two screenshots (and at the time there were no sexual screenshots up). And the whole moralfag thing is completely unnecessary. At most this deserves a 1.0 lolicon tag due to Yukina's sex scene. 3.0 is absolutely ridiculous considering there are basically no lolicon themes in the game, the heroines all act their age (except Koto, and she was basically put there as a parody/comedic relief).

v7845 <- This is a great example of a high scored lolicon tag game. See the loli clothing, the stuffed animals, etc? If that is a 2.5 should this really be a 3.0?

I'm sorry if this post is overly aggressive sounding. I just think it's a bit strange to vote a 3 on something you haven't played, especially when there were no h-scene screenshots up and the lolicon tag is dealing with sex scenes...Last modified on 2012-08-16 at 02:12
#6 by nekoyasha
2012-08-16 at 05:37
I'm interested in motives here )) Moralfags do not want to dirty themselves with lolicons or what?
As one of the people who downvoted that tag, let me assure that I'm not being moralistic. I openly like many loli games, and Period doesn't fall into that genre. It's misleading to other people to represent it as one. That's my motive.

According to you, every ero game with at least one loli character should have the (sexual) lolicon tag? I wonder how many games that would be...
Besides, the lolicon tag concerns a sexual attraction to that type, not simply having sex with that type. If you think that applies to the main character from Period, try playing Sweet Drops.
#7 by usagi
2012-08-19 at 18:40
The heroines in this game are pettanko (small boobs) but act like high school mature girls for the most part. I really don't think small boobs instantly makes someone loli. I don't see where you are getting the "their whole body is loli" thing from. They all look like American/European models to me. They have the same body type (extremely skinny and slightly bony).
link <- How is that loli >_>? It's a very model like body and she's tall and slender.
First, comparing real life European/American models with drawing of anime-style characters makes no sense. Second, no - it's not the same body type since size of head is much more bigger than body's - just as is the case with kids. Look at the width of her shoulders, thickness of her hips versus her shins, angularity and underdevelopment of her ass ;) It's just screams of loliness )

There really isn't any of that in this game. The girls are not presented as loli in their actions. The lolicon tag isn't specifically for looks, thats what the loli heroine tag is for. The lolicon tag is to tag a novel that has sex scenes that basically caters to lolicon. Anyone who goes into this game expecting sexual lolicon content is going to be disappointed, especially considering only two of the heroines could really classify as loli and even then it's not focused on at all.
I think much more logical to assume that lolicon tag is for looks, not behavior. Because most of sexual tags based on info from pics and, more importantly, it's very subjective what is lolicon-like in girls behavior. I mean for many people (myself included) most of typical high schoolgirls portrayed in anime and vns are very very childish and immature if you judge them by behavior. On other hand I know for sure there are many lolies with adult-like behaviour and even special loli type - so called mature loli or clever loli. It refers to lolies like this c3790 or this c3720 for example ;P What about them? Even if they in fact are not lolies by their mind, talks or age - everyone and even your grandma will admit that they are lolies based on the looks first of all. In other words looks are that important. Current definition of lolicon tag are very vague especially if you compare it with other sexual tags.

I think if you just play it you'll see it doesn't have any of the typical trappings of a lolicon game. Honestly I think it's a little ridiculous to vote a 3.0 on a tag when you haven't even played the game and you are basing it off one or two screenshots (and at the time there were no sexual screenshots up). And the whole moralfag thing is completely unnecessary. At most this deserves a 1.0 lolicon tag due to Yukina's sex scene. 3.0 is absolutely ridiculous considering there are basically no lolicon themes in the game, the heroines all act their age (except Koto, and she was basically put there as a parody/comedic relief).
There are reasons why I voted 3.
1) this artist considered by many as legendary lolicon artist (at least all people who recommend him to me said that)
2) to correct the situation against all -3's there

v7845 <- This is a great example of a high scored lolicon tag game. See the loli clothing, the stuffed animals, etc? If that is a 2.5 should this really be a 3.0?
For me this is very standart type of drawing - basically typical high school girl but more small-sized, with bigger eyes and stuffed animal. As big fan of lolicon art I consider this as the most boring and not loli-like style of all. Just compare that with this v33 for example - vn about high school girls. What is the difference?))
IMO this v4376 is more correct way to draw lolies.

I'm sorry if this post is overly aggressive sounding. I just think it's a bit strange to vote a 3 on something you haven't played, especially when there were no h-scene screenshots up and the lolicon tag is dealing with sex scenes...
Actually i've seen many cg's from Oyari Ashito games - and always such galleries are tagged as lolicons. Why is that? It is especially convincing if you compare body sizes of girls and male protagonist in h-scenes. Maybe I didn't see them from Period and protag there is more young but girls in all of his art are similar in a sense of age.
According to you, every ero game with at least one loli character should have the (sexual) lolicon tag? I wonder how many games that would be...
Yes. There are many tags with high quantity of games - so what? It doesn't make them all useless.
Besides, the lolicon tag concerns a sexual attraction to that type, not simply having sex with that type.
Even if protag is not lolicon - it does not mean that reader is not lolicon too ) And even if the game are not pure lolicon game - if there are fan service scenes/heroines which was put there for teasing lolicon readers - IMO such games should be tagged too. I mean is it not a private matter of each person from what he derives enjoyment? Even if you think that Period are not meant for lolicons - that does not mean that lolicon reader will not have fun from it in lolicon way )
If you think that applies to the main character from Period, try playing Sweet Drops.
Thanks for suggestion :)Last modified on 2012-08-19 at 18:48
#8 by gabezhul
2012-08-19 at 19:09
Oh boy... It's like I'm reading a fallacy all-stars reel...

head is much more bigger than body's - just as is the case with kids.
Or, you know, about 90% of all anime-style characters under the age of 20...

I think much more logical to assume that lolicon tag is for looks, not behavior.
No. For looks, we have the "Loli heroine" tag. Lolicon means that the game caters to the loli-fetish, including heroine looks AND behavior.

Current definition of lolicon tag are very vague especially if you compare it with other sexual tags.
That's the after-effect of Echomateria's meddling with the tags at one point (the time when we had a big-ass fight because he refused to realize that lolicon =/= pedophilia and that the two have a completely different connotation in games).

There are reasons why I voted 3.
1) this artist considered by many as legendary lolicon artist (at least all people who recommend him to me said that)
2) to correct the situation against all -3's there
The first point is not an argument. If Lovecraft would have wrote a romance-comedy, the fact that he is a well known horror-writer wouldn't have made it automatically a horror.
The second point is called deliberate vote-manipulation. Don't do it. >:|

Actually i've seen many cg's from Oyari Ashito games - and always such galleries are tagged as lolicons.
See my earlier example about Lovecraft. Citing other works of the author is NOT relevant here the slightest.

Yes. There are many tags with high quantity of games - so what? It doesn't make them all useless.
You completely misunderstood him. The point is that the tag "lolicon" refers to a specific kind of game, one where the H-content (and arguably the story itself) more or less entirely revolves around lolies, and should NOT be used on VNs that have only one or two lolies at max. (This last part used to be in the tag-description, but once again, Echomateria happened... -.-)

Even if protag is not lolicon - it does not mean that reader is not lolicon too )
... This is just... one of the dumbest arguments I've heard in a while. Sorry, but if you didn't realize this was dumb when you wrote it, I doubt my explanation would help... -.-

And finally, here comes the joke: I have absolutely no idea whether or not this VN is lolicon, as i just started reading it. Be back once I'm well enough into the story to give some relatively accurate input on the matter...Last modified on 2012-08-19 at 19:11
#9 by horseband
2012-08-19 at 19:54
Thanks gabe, saved me time from having to reply to each individual thing.

For me this is very standart type of drawing - basically typical high school girl but more small-sized, with bigger eyes and stuffed animal. As big fan of lolicon art I consider this as the most boring and not loli-like style of all. Just compare that with this v33 for example - vn about high school girls. What is the difference?))

link . If you think that looks like a traditional high school anime drawing, I don't even know how to reply to that. That's pure lolicon art and that's a dedicated lolicon VN. You seriously don't see a difference between the one I just linked and link ? You seem to think that small boobs automatically means loli, which is completely false.

Usagi I think you are missing something key here and you are arguing about something else entirely. Loli heroine is for heroines that have loli appearance. This is the tag for tagging a novel with characters that appear loli. Your whole argument is that the characters appear loli, which is fine. That's what the loli heroine tag is for and I think this is what you are confusing with the lolicon tag.

Lolicon is a sexual content tag, whether you personally believe it or not is irrelevant. It specifically says sex scenes related to lolicon themes and characters. It doesn't matter how other sites use it, or how galleries label their images, that is all irrelevant. Of course looks matter, but that's just a single part of the tag. Even if the tag is slightly vague, it specifically gives you two guidelines, appearance and themes. It doesn't say appearance or themes, it says SEXUAL content with loli appearance and themes.

The problems here are
1. When voting 3 you had not seen any CGs of the sex scenes before. Which right away should send off flags that you are doing something strange. How can you vote on a sexual content tag without seeing the sex scenes? Even if you thought the characters all looked loli, that's only one half of the tag as I stated above. You are continually missing that part about lolicon themes.
2. Take a look at everyone who has voted for that tag. The people who have played the game voted against the tag. The people who haven't played the game voted for the tag. Why do you think that is? Some "moralfag" conspiracy? Or maybe because if you actually would play the game you would realize there's a reason people aren't voting 2-3 for it..
3. Your Qoo little little example is funny because that novel doesn't have the lolicon tag.
4. You voted a 3 because you wanted to counteract the people who actually read the novel and you didn't. You seem to think there is some conspiracy or something, but there isn't.

Even if you think that Period are not meant for lolicons - that does not mean that lolicon reader will not have fun from it in lolicon way

When I search for a tag, I'm expecting the results to be accurate. If I see a 3.0 score for something, it SHOULD mean that the novel is full of it and pretty much focused around it. There's a reason the tags have a score system. Like I said before, at most this should get a 1 for lolicon because of a single sex scene would if you wanted you could possibly construe as lolicon.

Anyways, I don't want to get a headache over this. My main issue here is that you haven't played the game yet. If you had played the game and legitimately felt the lolicon tag applied, I'd be fine with it. I'd disagree, but I'd respect your opinion on it. It's an enjoyable game regardless and I suggest you try it.Last modified on 2012-08-20 at 04:23
#10 by gabezhul
2012-08-20 at 10:18
Okay, here are my preliminary opinions:
-Oyari's art is kinda weird, but not in the way I expected it. It's that some of the characters look really cute and attractive while others look almost deformed... No, scratch even that, technically every character looks deformed in at least one of their poses while looking fine otherwise. I think it's the foreheads and cheek-bones; whenever those get pronounced, it just turns out weird... -.-
-The characters are likable, but it's the voicework that really sells them.
-The humor this far was really hit-or-miss, but mostly miss. I don't know why but most of the attempts at humor only made me groan. -.-
-Overall it looks like a really nice, cozy VN this far, I just hope it stays that way till the end. :P

Oh, and to add to the previous discussion: This is not lolicon at all. All the characters are high-schoolers, and there is only two admittedly loli characters in the cast. Honestly, even the art doesn't look loli-ish in the long run, it's just that everyone is incredibly flat-chested. I have no idea why someone would have tagged it on the first place beyond "Look, it's Oyari!"...

P.S.: Also, it might be just me, but Kohane seems to steal the entire common-route. The other girls simply don't have nearly as much screen-presence as she (well, maybe save for Tsuzumi...) and she more-or-less dominates the first half of the VN. Not that I mind though, she is absolutely adorable. :3
#11 by horseband
2012-08-20 at 19:38
-The humor this far was really hit-or-miss, but mostly miss. I don't know why but most of the attempts at humor only made me groan. -.-

I usually enjoy any scene with Tsuzumi in it, usually she bring some funny to the scene. I agree with you though, lot of miss.

-Overall it looks like a really nice, cozy VN this far, I just hope it stays that way till the end. :P

It does. The drama isn't overdone for the most part and it maintains the same feel throughout pretty much.

Oh, and to add to the previous discussion: This is not lolicon at all. All the characters are high-schoolers, and there is only two admittedly loli characters in the cast. Honestly, even the art doesn't look loli-ish in the long run, it's just that everyone is incredibly flat-chested. I have no idea why someone would have tagged it on the first place beyond "Look, it's Oyari!"...

Thank you.

P.S.: Also, it might be just me, but Kohane seems to steal the entire common-route. The other girls simply don't have nearly as much screen-presence as she (well, maybe save for Tsuzumi...) and she more-or-less dominates the first half of the VN. Not that I mind though, she is absolutely adorable. :3

Yep she's cute, for whatever reason her voice bugged me for awhile. It just reminded me of English dubbed hentai. I've grown used to it now though and I don't mind it anymore.
#12 by gabezhul
2012-08-20 at 21:18
Small note: I finally got used to Oyari's art. It took about five hours, but by now I actually find the character-designs pretty dang cute... save for the occasional hot-air balloon foreheads, but hey, it's still a big step forward. :P
#13 by horseband
2012-08-20 at 21:38
Yay! His best male friend is the only one that still slightly bothers me art wise(Jun I think is his name, I forget). I'm totally used to the rest and they are all cute (Rin being the only one I don't find really that attractive). Hell, I don't even notice Yukina's big forehead anymore. Her and Tsuzumi are my favorites.Last modified on 2012-08-20 at 21:38
#14 by gabezhul
2012-08-20 at 21:54
I find Asahi to be the worst offender art-wise. She not only has a positively giant head but her cheekbone makes her look like she always keeps a jaw-breaker in her mouth. x_x
#15 by gabezhul
2012-08-21 at 15:38
After many setbacks, I finally finished Kohane's route and... Holy shit, this VN is awesome. 0_o!

I mean, at first glance it's nothing special, just another romance VN, but what it does it does so flawlessly that I can't help but be amazed. The characters are lively and likable, the story is ridiculously cute (read: perfect for this kind of game) and both the art- and sound-design does an outstanding job at supplementing the experience. It has flaws too, sure, but I still enjoyed the VN tremendously. A solid eight candidate this far, might even go higher if it keeps up this good impression. :)
#16 by nekoyasha
2012-08-22 at 01:47
I'm glad people are enjoying it. For me (repeating myself slightly from an old post on HF, but whatever), it was about how the game made me feel for the characters. I went into it liking a few characters because of their appearance, but not caring about some of them, like Tsuzumi or Yukina. I played Miyu first, just picking what seemed like logical choices without going for anyone in particular, then played Tsuzumi second to get one of the "boring" characters out of the way. Needless to say, I was blown away, and if pressed I might consider her my favorite character. The game proceeded to make me love all of the characters, one by one.

I finally got around to playing some more of the routes in Sweet Drops too, and I think I'm going to have to adjust my score upward. I just finished Yukina's route, and it was pretty interesting...
#17 by gabezhul
2012-08-22 at 08:58
More opinions: I find that the VN has a slight problem with fleshing out its characters. The problem I see here is that in the common route, no one really gets developed beyond their stereotype: Asahi is the childhood friend, Kohane is the good girl, Aoi is the tomboy, et cetera. The routes themselves are outstanding in many respects, but the common route just doesn't really generate any real interest in the characters, and thus I often felt like I was forcing myself forward just so that I could get to the point where they do become interesting.

Also, @Nekoyasha: Great work, I tip my hat for you. :)
Also, you might want to do another round of QC. There are only a very few typos, but I often ran into line-overflows that could be fixed. :P

P.S.: Oh, an one more thing: Mitsuki is THE best protagonist I have ever seen. Period. Sure, it might not be fair to compare him to action-protagonists or the like, but hell, he is likable, attentive, proactive, honest AND doing all that without coming off as a Looseboy-style mary-sue-genius. Seriously, a major win. :D
#18 by engix
2012-08-22 at 12:05
This game made me felt like a criminal at times. If you dont know what im talking about watch the h scene in Yukina's route like why would they put that in there -____-

At any rate this has been a preety enjoyable game, though im not gonna lie i feel that quarttet was better. Though i still have to a couple other rouetes so my feelings could change.Last modified on 2012-08-22 at 12:11
#19 by tokita
2012-08-22 at 12:48
Also, it might be just me, but Kohane seems to steal the entire common-route. The other girls simply don't have nearly as much screen-presence as she (well, maybe save for Tsuzumi...) and she more-or-less dominates the first half of the VN. Not that I mind though, she is absolutely adorable. :3

Tell me about it. When I started this VN I threw the first few choices randomly just to try and keep everyone open until I overcame my 'undecided' complex. Then the astronomy club happened.

It's probably also why I'm finding Rin's route somewhat lackluster: there's practically no viable hints @ Mitsuki x Rin during the common route while her route setup is more or less contrived as a "practice dating -> real couple" scenario that, barring drama, is relatively predictable. Not to mention their philosophical exchange diary... But I'm not one to pout - gave this a 9 after all :PLast modified on 2012-08-22 at 12:50
#20 by horseband
2012-08-22 at 16:39
@gabe Totally agree about the protag. Thing I liked most is he is self aware and doesn't take forever to realize he likes someone (or that someone may like him...)

@engix That's the one scene I was referring to in my debate posts way above. That's pretty much the only one of it's kind in the novel and it was put there most likely as loli fan service/parody Thats why I was saying at most it deserves a 1 for lolicon tag

@ingenuity Rin was my least favorite character and subsequently her route was my least favorite. It was probably the most dramatic route too. The diary was cute but I could barley stand Rin.Last modified on 2012-08-22 at 16:39
#21 by gabezhul
2012-08-22 at 18:29
Funny that you all talk about Rin, as I just got to her route. I was originally aiming at Yukina, but after all the setup she gets in the summer-arc, I decided to go with the flow and see her route first. Now then...
Game: Initialized
Expectations: Set to "low"
Rin route: Engaged
:P
#22 by horseband
2012-08-22 at 20:31
@Gabe

Good choice in doing Rin first. Just gives you more Yukina exposure first and it feels more natural as you said (and Nekoyasha said on tlwiki).

Have you done Tsuzumi yet?Last modified on 2012-08-22 at 20:32
#23 by gabezhul
2012-08-22 at 20:45
Nope, I'm saving her for later. Right now my planned order is (with Kohane and Miyu finished):
Rin (almost finished) -> Yukina -> Aoi -> Asahi -> Tsuzumi.

I don't know whether I will read Koto's route or not, she doesn't really interests me, but the same could be said about Aoi and Miyu as well, so who knows? :P

Also, I found Yukina somewhat annoying in her and Rin's summer-arc. Although I admit it's still better than not being interested at all, but her bossy attitude still hampered my enthusiasm about her... -.-
#24 by horseband
2012-08-22 at 21:58
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I love Yukina, granted I like more assertive women. She the bossiest in the summer arc but outside of that she's still assertive, but not as "tyrannical". Aoi's amazing, but this probably ties into my "I like assertive girls" thing (which is probably why I loved most the characters in here). Plus, seeing Aoi at the end of Kohane's route made me want to do her route even more.

Koto's route is really short (88kB script size compared to 226-303 kB for the rest), so even if you dislike her it's really short and won't waste much time.

Just a warning, the author will sometimes explain things piece by piece in multiple routes. So if you finish a route and feel like something is missing, it'll most likely get explained in another route. I think the order you are doing the routes is good though.Last modified on 2012-08-22 at 22:01
#25 by tokita
2012-08-22 at 22:02
@horseband :: Maybe it's just me, or did Rin not even get a QC for her route? I think I spent more time reading the backlog than clicking forward.

@gabe :: I see Yukina as someone who really just loves to tease and screw with people. Of course since this is a VN our protagonist [Mitsuki] naturally becomes her favorite target.

...Anyone play Asahi route yet?

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