Mass tagging request

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#1 by rampaa
2020-12-06 at 02:28
< report >Thanks to the advanced search we can derive "new" information from the information we already have. But marking thousands of things manually is extremely time consuming. So if we could somehow mass tag the results we get from the advanced search that would be quite handy. But if that's not an option (because of the potential danger of misuse, trolling etc.), then maybe Yorhel or mods can perform automated mass tagging on user request. In case such requests are welcome, here are a few:

VNs that should be tagged with Male Protagonist: link
VNs that should be tagged with Female Protagonist: link
VNs that should be tagged with Sexual Content: link
VNs that should be tagged with No Sexual Content: link

I tried to be conservative with the queries, so I think the number of false positives should be negligible.Last modified on 2020-12-06 at 07:04
#2 by yorhel
2020-12-23 at 10:24
< report >Done, sorry for the delay.

I doubt I'll ever add mass-tagging features to the UI as it'll be too much work to revert a possible mistake there, it can get messy pretty fast. I'm not too fond of mass tagging character tags either, because (as I've mentioned before) I'd much rather see those tags removed if our character system can convey the same information. But alright, we're not quite there yet.
#3 by rampaa
2020-12-23 at 19:48
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I'd much rather see those tags removed if our character system can convey the same information.
I agree, but I don't think the character system can convey the same information with the current model, because characters are not necessarily bound to a single VN. If we were to create new instances for characters for every different VN they are a part of, or if there was a way to specify in which VNs do those traits apply, then I agree that we could get rid of most of the Character and Sexual Content tag tree eventually. Oh, we would also need to be able to specify who's a "hero(ine)" on a specific VN (t3314.1826).

That being said, here's another mass-tagging request:

High School Student Heroine: link and linkLast modified on 2020-12-23 at 19:57
#4 by rampaa
2020-12-31 at 11:17
< report >Heroine with Big Breasts: link
Heroine with Huge Breasts: link
Pettanko Heroine: link
Coodere Heroine: link
Bokukko Heroine: link
Tomboy Heroine: link
Promiscuous Heroine: link
Nympho Heroine: link
Pragmatic Heroine: link
Genius Heroine: link
Perverted Heroine: link
Heroine with Sexual Experience: link
Brocon Heroine: link
Otaku Heroine: link
Modern Tsundere Heroine: link
Classic Tsundere Heroine: link
Tsundere Heroine: link
Siscon Protagonist: link
Donkan Protagonist: linkLast modified on 2020-12-31 at 17:23
#5 by mrkew
2020-12-31 at 14:05
< report >edit: Misread the query. Why should Pre-Story Virginity Loss to Protagonist not count for Heroine with Sexual Experience, though?Last modified on 2020-12-31 at 14:09
#6 by rampaa
2020-12-31 at 15:13
< report >Heroine with Sexual Experience:
Most of the VN's and and Eroge are pure love stories. With the protagonist being the first love of the games heroines and the first man that they have ever been with.

But in some cases story takes a more realistic approach and display heroines that had previous sexual experiences before the games story begins or ones that still keep an active sexual life. This tag is for that type of heroines that are not virgins when they sleep with the protagonist.

This tag is only for character classification purposes and it is not meant to discriminate anyone's lifestyle or choices.
This description strongly suggests that VNs marked with this tag have heroines who had sex with someone other than the protagonist and I don't want to help marking games with it when this really isn't the case.Last modified on 2020-12-31 at 17:32
#7 by rampaa
2021-03-20 at 15:28
< report >Sex with Protagonist Only: link
#8 by mrkew
2021-03-20 at 19:04
< report >I was mad at this query tagging earlier but forgot to write a post about it.
The bot applies 2.0 tag to every applicable VN, but 2.0 is quite often not the correct power, and it only makes it harder to afterwards bring it to 1.0 or 3.0 after this tagging. See, just because she's a main character does not make her a main heroine. If she's got a 30 minute route, there's no reason for tag power 2.0. I just looked at link and couldn't help but shake my head because heroine with sexual experience was at 2.3 after the first bot vote. People see the tag on the list and their inability to vote properly comes to light. On the other hand, sometimes the trait is a central part of her character, or multiple heroines have the trait, making it a 3.0 tag. For untranslated VNs, it's very hard to bring tags to proper tag power because there are so few people who tag.
TL;DR - vote power is important. I don't suppose there's a way to recall the bot tag once someone else votes for the same tag.
Not only that, but this thing is based on a main heroine who's sexually involved at any point (in any of her VNs). That doesn't mean she's the heroine of every VN she appears in. Example I found - 9 -Nine- Sorairo Sorauta Soranooto and its sequels. Plot-wise they are definitely all main characters, yet there's only one heroine per VN. The bot will tag based on all the girls which is incorrect. There might be other volume series who got screwed by this.
#9 by rampaa
2021-03-26 at 14:11
< report >Kinetic Novel: link
Protagonist with Voice Acting: link
Nameable Protagonist: link
#10 by yorhel
2021-03-29 at 09:38
< report >Imported.

Also wrote a script to purge Multi's tag votes when someone else also voted on the same or a child tag.
#11 by mrkew
2021-03-29 at 09:58
< report >Thanks. Is it set to run periodically or was that a one time thing?
#12 by yorhel
2021-03-29 at 10:02
< report >Intended to run periodically, but haven't configured that yet.
#13 by mrkew
2021-05-18 at 09:44
< report >Just noticed that the query for Pettanko Heroine in #4 was done incorrectly. The tag explicitly mentions that the tag does not apply to loli heroines, yet invert Kid was not used in the search, so it was applied to a number VNs with loli heroines incorrectly.
#14 by rampaa
2021-05-18 at 12:29
< report >The tag doesn't say it doesn't apply to loli heroines though. It says "This tag is separate from the loli heroine tag, please do not mix the two", which is a fair warning because not every pettanko heroine is a loli and likewise not every loli is a pettanko heroine (see: Oppai Loli Heroine), so you cannot really use them interchangeably.
#15 by mrkew
2021-05-18 at 12:44
< report >There is no need to argue, simply say that you forgot to add it. Pettanko has always been for flat/small breasted girls who are not lolis.
#16 by rampaa
2021-05-18 at 13:50
< report >Would you mind backing up your claims instead of pressing the "I'm right because I'm right" button?

You said the tag explicitly mentions that the tag does not apply to loli heroines. But it doesn't explicitly say such a thing.

Pettanko has always been for flat/small breasted girls who are not lolis.
t3617.359 is the only time someone proposed maybe those two tags should be mutually exclusive but as per VNDB tradition, no such changes were made. So no, it wasn't always for non-loli girls and it currently isn't either.

Neither the tag's definition nor its applications (Saya no Uta etc.) support your claim. If you want its description to be changed, try your luck on t3617.
#17 by mrkew
2021-05-18 at 14:05
< report >1. I meant the general usage, not just the tag. The tag was proposed based on an existing meaning, obviously.
2. No need for a change of description. It doesn't get more clear than "do not mix the two". Don't worry, I'll fix your mess.
#18 by rampaa
2021-05-18 at 14:59
< report >You are obviously shifting the goalpost but I'll bite. Show that the "general usage" excludes lolis. While you are at it, please try searching for ぺったんこ on Sad Panda and tell me what percentage of those results do not include any lolis, pretty please.
#19 by mrkew
2021-05-18 at 15:24
< report >Ironic that you mention sadpanda.

Type: Attribute / Visual
Description: Must be small enough to reasonably call the girl "flat".
Notes: Should never be used on lolicon.
Power Requirement: 12
Japanese: 貧乳
Slave Tags: Female - with notable synonyms flat chest, pettanko, and tiny breasts.
#20 by rampaa
2021-05-18 at 15:57
< report >I guess I will answer my own question since you are so swift at dodging my point. There are 5 distinct results you will get from a title search for ぺったんこ on Sad Panda (ろりぷにおっぱい ぺったんこ and お兄ちゃんと ぺったんこ♥ to name a few) and only 1 of them doesn't include a loli. You claimed the general usage of pettanko already implies the non-loli rule but the term itself does not inherently have such a restriction, that was my point.

As for Sad Panda restricting its usage, it's their prerogative to do so, just as it's Danbooru's and Gelbooru's prerogative to explicitly allow its usage with lolis. And just like how VNDB currently allows Flat Chest to be used with Kid.
#21 by mrkew
2021-05-18 at 16:58
< report >5 whole results, damn. Anyway, we were talking about vndb tags, not traits. The point of the tag is to search for small breasted women who are not lolis, otherwise the tag will 99% cover lolis. Hence the description.
I understand English is not the easiest langauge, but I really think the current description couldn't be more clear. Do not MIX the tags. Perhaps you understood it as "do not MIX UP the tags", which is not the case. Do not mix the two means do not use both for 1 heroine.
#22 by rampaa
2021-05-18 at 17:05
< report >
Perhaps you understood it as "do not MIX UP the tags"
Touché. I did indeed read it as mix up.
#23 by mrkew
2021-05-18 at 17:07
< report >Well, I hope we're cool now.
#24 by rampaa
2021-05-18 at 17:09
< report >Yup.
#25 by yorhel
2021-05-18 at 17:48
< report >Eeeeeeeeh, my initial reading was "do not MIX UP the tags", too. Considering that the writer of the description wasn't known for his excellent command of the English language either, I suspect that interpretation may not have been intentional and that the tags could still be used together.

I don't mind either way, but applying both kid + pettanko seems fine with me. Guess we need to decide one way or another and clarify the description.