Should console arcs get their own entry?

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#1 by lemonov
2021-04-15 at 20:39
< report >Console arcs are pretty long, and some of them form the Advanced Story scenario, which acts as a spin-off.
I think that they should get an entry of their own, since Rei and Hou have their entries despite being way shorter in length.
I don't know what name the entry can even use though, since the newest release shares the name with the latest PC version despite including everything from the previous console releases, and the upcoming one will just add a + to the title.Last modified on 2021-04-15 at 20:40
#2 by vario
2021-04-16 at 05:01
< report >It should be Matsuri since it was first and I don't think there were any new arcs after it anyway and each new release on a new platform (DS, PS3, PS4, Switch) can go into the release section with its own title.

And yes, it might be useful since console ports:

1. Revise a lot of text aka delete some lines/parts or rewrite depictions of violence and sexual references.
2. IIRC have a console arc that could be considered an alternative EP8 aka alternative ending.
3. Simply add a lot of new content with hours of reading.

These reasons can lead to a different impression after finishing Higurashi compared to finishing the original doujin/Steam version.
#3 by lemonov
2021-04-16 at 09:39
< report >Yes, I agree with that. I'm honetly pretty surprised that Hou and Saku while being short expansions got their entries, but massive overhauls like Matsuri and Sui did not.Last modified on 2021-04-16 at 09:40
#4 by phantom-zero-12
2021-04-17 at 16:16
< report >I agree with what's been said. The console arcs add so much content that they're a 30+ hour VN on their own.Last modified on 2021-04-17 at 16:24
#5 by kiru
2021-04-17 at 18:25
< report >The reason why Rei and Hou get an entry is because it's different games. The console arcs do not get their entry, because it's technically Higurashi, just a different version with more content, voices and different art.

Vndb is weird there. Don't even try to argue with "but it's like half the game" or whatever. Other not separated cases like that also exist.

Additional content is no reason for a split on vndb. Regardless of how much it is, and how little sense it makes to vote for all those versions in one entry, or use tags for that matter.
#6 by phantom-zero-12
2021-04-17 at 19:01
< report >Hou is a rerelease of the original with additional content, not a seperate game. However the VNDB entry is only concerned with the additional content it added. I don't see a reason why the same thing can't be done for the console arcs (especially considering that they add far more content than Rei and Hou combined).Last modified on 2021-04-17 at 19:08
#7 by lemonov
2021-04-17 at 21:19
< report >#5 How are Rei/Hou "different games" and Matsuri/Sui are not? These are all re-releases with add-on content on top of the previously released chapters. Console versions, however, go even beyond that and overhaul even the main chapters (for better or for worse).
I can't really see the difference other than the console versions being way bigger. And, among other individuals, I want to add the console versions to the list, simply because they are a big time commitment and add valuable info to the user's list (i.e. "This user has cleared the advanced story and extra chapters").Last modified on 2021-04-17 at 21:52
#8 by kiru
2021-04-18 at 06:08
< report >Okay, Hou should be removed then. (talk about vndb being sometimes very random with this)

Rei is a completely different thing though, as it's simply a new game released by the original dev. A sequel or fandisc if you want.

Also don't misunderstand me. I don't like the way vndb does it. I never did. I complained for years. But it is what it is, and if Hou is a re-release with just additional content, it NEEDS to be removed because of vndb guidelines. An entry only about new content could in theory be done for any game really, but it's not been done. Why an exception here?

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