D.C.4 ~Da Capo 4~ Plus Harmony

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#1 by usuisorata
2021-06-03 at 07:32
< report >This is the version some of us are waiting for. Will it improve the story. who knows.
#2 by animenger
2021-06-03 at 09:09
< report >"Contents:
"D.C.4 Plus Harmony" Game Software DVD
"D.C.4 Plus Harmony" Visual Booklet

Bonus:
D.C.4 PH Ero-Drama CD - Tokisaka Nino "Donna watashi ga suki desu ka?" 『どんな私が好きですか?』
D.C.4 PH Ero-Drama CD - Shirakawa Hiyori "Hiyori to doki doki micchaku ecchi" 『ひよりとドキドキ密着エッチ』
D.C.4 PH Limited Edition B5 size acrylic panel


Priced at ¥18,480"

I mean this is what's on the VNDB listing anyway. Don't know anything about Da Capo 4 myself but kinda just went looking anyway! A bit of clicking around leads me to conclude that it may just be a bunch of bonus stuff with not a lot of plot relevance? (I mean unless it's the "Ero-Drama CD's" you're holding out for I guess!) Again though this is just something I gathered in like 10 seconds so what do I know lmao
#3 by mikuxdrift
2021-06-03 at 10:11
< report >Well.... i hope this turns out just fine (or steamy enough). despite how divided the opinions and thoughts on the JP discussions already and the timing of its release.

TL;DR useless spoiler sheet:

I guess time to explore the mysteries of route 44 tunnel or maybe learn how to play shogi for the meantime.

nah scratch that.... i will just head somewhere to do StrEcching exercise. -_-

TL;DR end.
#4 by lordstarfish
2021-06-03 at 10:47
< report >"Will it improve the story. who knows."

I'd say... Maybe but leaning no. But then that depends on what exactly people's issues with the story even was, which seems to be a question nobody can quite agree on.
If you want sexual content... That's gonna be in there, this much is already confirmed. How much of it, how good it is, and how well integrated into the narrative it is remains to be seen, (because honestly, only like two or maybe three of the routes in the base game feel like they even allow for H-scenes to happen prior to the epilogue) but we are 100% getting it.
If you're like me and think the story had some really interesting ideas but not all of it was executed as well as it could be, you might be out of luck. Maybe they'll tweak some minor things here and there but I doubt they'll do anything to massively alter the overall flow of the game, even if that does mean that you still have exactly one route with two possible endings and where only the outright tragic outcome gets properly fleshed out while the happy outcome literally just skips ahead to a later time and has our hero briefly mentioning in his internal monologue that "It's okay I fixed it.
If you just take issue with the plot-points themselves a la the whole "Shiina may or may not be Ichito's biological daughter" thing... I feel fairly confident that that isn't gonna change. Admittedly with that particular plot point the game does seem to ultimately land on that not being the case and maybe they could make that a bit clearer... But at the same time I'm not sure they really could work around that in a way that doesn't still leave some room for doubt.


...And then there's the new voices, which you can hear the sample clips for on the official website now and at least get some idea on how they compare to the originals. Where, if I can just drop the attempts at neutrality and speak 100% opinions for a second...
-Suginami: This is Kishio Daisuke credited under an alias. I'm not sure why the "Asagaya Honan" page still only says that this might be the case because if you compare his sample voice clip in P.H. to the one in D.C.4 base... It's literally the same clip. Which I appreciate. Kishio's Suginami is entirely too iconic. I would absolutely hate to see them replace him now when he's played the character in every version of anything D.C.II- and III-related.
-Sorane and Miu: Are not the same voices as before but they sound close enough that I think I can easily adjust to them. Heck, Miu sounds almost identical to Maekawa Ryouko.
-Arisu and Nino: Here I can definitely tell that they're different, but... They're not bad. They still fit the characters.
-Shiina and Hiyori: Agh this sounds all wrong to meeeeeee!!! I'm not sure how much the fact that these two were literally my favorite characters in the base game affects this, but looking around on Twitter and such, it seems like people generally agree that yeah, these two just don't feel the same anymore. For Shiina it particularly stings because I feel that Minase Inori's performance was just so perfectly deadpan in a way that Kadowaki Mai does not seem to really be capturing.
-Chiyoko: Deserves her own category because even though my gripes with Shiina and Hiyori still apply here, Kanau feels like she just flat-out is not even portraying the same character that Ozaki Yuka was portraying.
-Gen: ...Sounds fine I just can't not consider it a bit of a downgrade when his previous voice was Sugita Tomokazu.
-Kotori: Also sounds okay though I will never not miss Horie Yui's Kotori whenever anyone else voices her.



...Honestly if there's anything I want from this re-release above all else it would be for them to improve on how unpolished the base game felt. Like, the third opening feels like it was slapped together in an hour. Every route has the exact same ending theme. There's no insert songs outside of a remix of III's opening that plays in the prologue. We get CGs for several moments that feel like they don't quite warrant it while other moments that could feel more justified are just left un-illustrated. We interact with an adult version of Miharu but they didn't bother to give her a character design so all we see is a tiny window on a PC screen that's zoomed in on her eyes. And then there are some moments in Nino's and Arisu's routes in particular that feel like they're setting up some sort of mystery only for nothing to ever come of it.
Just... On the whole I did still enjoy this game. At its best it was genuinely incredibly compelling. But for as high as its highs are, it also has some pretty glaring lows that I would very much like to see elevated somewhat. But I'm not sure if I should expect any of that. It's possible that ultimately all we're getting is indeed just the exact same game with H-scenes awkwardly shoved in.

...Holy crap that's a wall of text. I did not set out to write quite this much.Last modified on 2021-06-03 at 10:47
#5 by mikuxdrift
2021-06-03 at 11:42
< report >#4 about the Suginami VA. that was added because of how sketchy or questionable the outside sources are.
(more like im just preventing adding inaccurate info to the DB despite known already his iconic voice)

nonetheless... at the least. The VA line up is still ok... despite some of the sweetness has been watered down.

The one thing that i will miss:
R.I.P that choko pun T-T


Heck, Miu sounds almost identical to Maekawa Ryouko.
*long sigh of relief* finally... i can now somewhat die peacefully with this one.
#6 by mikuxdrift
2021-06-03 at 13:04
< report >i just gonna leave this here: (NSFW and potential spoilerous link) link
#7 by lordstarfish
2021-06-03 at 16:03
< report >I am curious about this magazine article, though from the preview images in that link it looks like it could very well just be higher-quality (but covered with text) versions of the different promotional artwork we've already got combined with... talk about said artwork, which would then be just a repetition of what Circus has already said in their livestreams. Still, would be nice if someone could get a hold of that magazine. I would absolutely love to be wrong about this and for there to be some meaningful new info in there.
#8 by lordstarfish
2021-06-06 at 13:18
< report >So this is by no means conclusive evidence of anything, but according to this random Twitter user who read the interview in BugBug...
link
...the interview implies that they are making quite a few changes to this version. What these changes entail is not specified, but at least I'm assuming that means that it'll be more than just the bare minimum changes possible to fit H-scenes into the narrative?
#9 by mikuxdrift
2021-06-06 at 14:17
< report >yup. that is the goal... kinda. and introducing us the R18 cast.

if you think more about it, Some of the clues of it are already present in the story that are may or may not seem obvious to some. The kind of clues that already revealed misleading us to thinking that.

But what IF... they use one of those scenario twists?
#10 by lordstarfish
2021-06-14 at 16:42
< report >link
They're holding another livestream relating to the game on the 26th. Miu and Sorane's voice actors are apparently going to be there. Mind you, so far these livestreams haven't really revealed much actual news, rather just talking about and slightly elaborating on things they had already announced a few days prior.

...Which means by the 26th they will probably announce something new.
#11 by mikuxdrift
2021-06-14 at 23:27
< report >meh... another blue-balling stream nonsense. -_-

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#12 by lordstarfish
2021-06-15 at 10:21
< report >Do you mean like, just, what do I think of the idea of the series getting animated H-scenes? For my part that depends mostly on what else they did in addition to it. Like, if they did that yet addressed none of the other gripes I brought up earlier I would feel that they put their attention in all the wrong places. If they also refine the content that was already there and do animated CGs on top of that, well then cool, who am I to complain?
#13 by mikuxdrift
2021-06-15 at 11:48
< report >I see.. Thanks!Last modified on 2021-06-16 at 23:08
#14 by lordstarfish
2021-07-03 at 11:17
< report >Website updated with a few more preview images. Two specifically. Both from H-scenes. And I feel compelled to try and deduce things from them!!!

Namely, we've got preview images for Nino and Sorane and nobody else. And Sorane does not have bunny ears. Which either indicates some change to the story or that it happens in the epilogue. Despite Sorane being one of the characters for whom I feel like they could fit one in earlier... Well I guess this doesn't actually necessarily mean anything; There could be more than one scene.

...Also they've been doing these promotional campaigns where they've put out these puzzle games and challenged people to get the best time. On the same day as the latest livestream (which did indeed not really reveal anything) they put out another one that is specifically focused on Miu... and which for the first time contained a "hard mode." Which I tried. Once. But when I had been on one image for over half an hour and was not even close to beating it I just gave up. Clearly, solving those puzzles requires more patience than I have. The "easy mode" versions I actually kinda enjoy however.

...It is also a bit amusing to me that they posted another 4koma on the page today that focuses on Miu and Chiyoko. Unless I'm forgetting something I don't think those two interacted even once in the base game. (They did in Fortunate Departures, but then this is not a re-release of Fortunate Departures. That's presumably coming later.)
#15 by mikuxdrift
2021-07-03 at 12:12
< report >Ah yes. the Nino and Sorane StrEcching couple exercises... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Jokes aside... the "art" is sure well drawn and the censorship on those are too little or if not almost uncensored now compared to the recent CIRCUS H-games. (I see some steamy Hiyori scenes and "that" incoming!!!)

from what im thinking. at this rate if Hakumai-D was serious about making that eroge, then we could really expect either an extended story or an alternative version of DC4 to cater those eroge guys.

R.I.P to that guy who wrecked his Surface pro after playing that "Hard Mode" puzzle. xD (not me.)
#16 by lordstarfish
2021-07-03 at 14:04
< report >An extended story would perhaps not be too unreasonable considering how many of these routes only have the characters get together at the very end. I mean it would be very easy to do that for Chiyoko at least considering how her route was super short and kinda didn't really have a plot to begin with. Though... it would be weird for the more plot-heavy routes to have their dramatic climax happen and then the game goes on for several more hours to fit in H-scenes.
#17 by lordstarfish
2021-07-09 at 13:55
< report >Yet another livestream announced for the 17th... with yozuca* as the featured guest. Can I take this as an indication that my hope for more songs will come true?! I mean she was in the base game too, sure, (providing what I personally think was the best song in there... though I do feel like the game size version was a bit lacking compared to the full version) but I feel like if they're bringing her in for one of these, specifically to talk music, she would most likely be contributing at least one more song.

...Admittedly I feel like out of all my hopes for this, "more music" is probably the biggest no-brainer.
#18 by mikuxdrift
2021-07-09 at 14:53
< report >meh... more livestream.... yay. -_-

Kidding aside, they revealed the D.C. goods. although im a bit sad they did not include D.C. 3 Sakura in those... yet. (the grown up one)

hmm... 1 grand Kotori or Otome wedding rings. I wonder if the first and second-ish gens are still around to buy those "Crêpes"

Admittedly I feel like out of all my hopes for this, "more music" is probably the biggest no-brainer.

I hope so. that there is more music coming to PH.
#19 by diabloryuzaki
2021-07-09 at 18:07
< report >simple question,
when i can see h scene with adult sakura?
#20 by mikuxdrift
2021-07-10 at 00:38
< report >^
that will only happen if they decide to mess up again with the timelines or if a "remake" was bound to happen in the near future. (with a ton of caveats.)
#21 by lordstarfish
2021-07-13 at 11:58
< report >
Kidding aside, they revealed the D.C. goods. although im a bit sad they did not include D.C. 3 Sakura in those... yet. (the grown up one)

hmm... 1 grand Kotori or Otome wedding rings. I wonder if the first and second-ish gens are still around to buy those "Crêpes"
Speaking of: They made it clear that all this merch was part of their 20th anniversary celebration for the franchise. And the website for said celebration still indicates that there is more to come. I guess they'll keep it coming through the entire year and... possibly up to March 31st since the site went live in April and they might be going by the fiscal year rather than the calendar year. In either case, I'm curious as to what else is coming. Like, we have a new(-ish) game. We have merch. We just had a big concert last year. I suppose one possibility would be an anime of 4 but... I feel like if they were gonna go that route they would have done it in 2019? Also after the anime for III (which, unironically, made me abandon the entire franchise for half a decade) I'm not so sure I would want one.

...One thing that I for one would be quite okay if they did and which I feel like would be relatively easy though, would be just... release the past entries on modern consoles? afaik a lot of those games are not easy to come by anymore, since the massive collection box they did a while back was both a limited edition and prohibitively expensive. And even though 4 has barely anything to do with the past three other than the very occasional cameo, I can't imagine it's exactly helping their business that much to have only the fourth main entry be readily accessible.
#22 by mikuxdrift
2021-07-13 at 13:27
< report >
I guess they'll keep it coming through the entire year and... possibly up to March 31st

More like September, November or December announcements to me... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, III's 10th anniversary is just around the corner so maybe a multi-timeline clashing fandisk(s) incoming? (like D.C.D.X -ish) well... who knows.

Anyhow... they better get this announcements right after 4PH. (because of that FD hype.)
#23 by lordstarfish
2021-07-13 at 14:28
< report >"Multi-timeline clashing fandisk" So like, all four main casts interacting? I am now picturing all four Suginamis in the same room and... I'm not sure the universe can handle that much concentrated Suginami!!!! (Okay but seriously though, any scene featuring Multiple Suginami + Anzu + Hiyori would be like automatically the funniest thing ever.)
#24 by mikuxdrift
2021-07-13 at 15:05
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So like, all four main casts interacting?

hmmm maybe. who knows... and it might not be only limited to the D.C. series too. possibly, it may involve some other title's heroines. (if ever that dream truly happens)

I'm not sure the universe can handle that much concentrated Suginami!!!!

OH GOD. Just imagine the dialogue banter exchanges and the ruckus made by those Suginamies on that timeline while being chased after by the DC 1 to 4 Student Council heroines. or being tortured by Anzu, Shiki and Sumomo. ROFL
#25 by lordstarfish
2021-07-13 at 15:31
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OH GOD. Just imagine the dialogue banter exchanges and the ruckus made by those Suginamies on that timeline while being chased after by the DC 1 to 4 Student Council heroines. or being tortured by Anzu, Shiki and Sumomo. ROFL
The Student Council folks would form an Anti-Suginami Alliance and in response, the Suginamis would all form a temporary truce with their respective Trolling Rivals to fight back against them, and this Troll Alliance would prove entirely too overpowered and turn out to take over the world within five minutes. Then they would promptly kill each other.