Visual Novels Are games?

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#1 by raxgamer
2021-06-09 at 18:04
< report >Visual Novels are games?

I know this question has already been debated several times on VNDB,but i really want to know the point of view of other users with much experience with Visual Novels and why,and for me I didn't reach a consensus if is or not in fact in general.

if you think this Thread are unnecessary i will delet later,but comment why before.
#2 by mutsuki
2021-06-09 at 18:13
< report >visual novels aren't a game

they're a way of life
#3 by yorhel
2021-06-09 at 18:16
< report >I mean, if you define a video game as interactive software written for the purpose of entertainment, then sure, visual novels are games. But IMO it doesn't make a lot of sense to treat games and VNs as the same thing as their allure is very different. See also link
#4 by cubky
2021-06-09 at 18:29
< report >The Japanese community calls VNs nearly exclusively xxxGE (eroge, galge, etc.), GE being a shorthand for "game". So I do not see a reason why they should not be games.
#5 by vninfohata
2021-06-09 at 19:00
< report >Visual novels aren't a way of life.

They are salvation.
#6 by zakamutt
2021-06-09 at 19:07
< report >It's not useful to classify visual novels as games, due to them being very different from what is generally expected of a game. As such, since categories can be allocated arbitrarily, we should allocate a separate category for visual novels, and possibly other things people might call "trash, not even a game" — they're not wrong about the game part, of course — in their 80IQ ADHD coomer steam review.
#7 by tremmy
2021-06-09 at 19:09
< report >Not all games are visual novels.

But all visual novels are games.
#8 by butterflygrrl
2021-06-09 at 19:13
< report >If it has no choices at all it's not a game any more than a motion comic is a game.

As soon as there's interactivity it's a kind of game. what kind depends on the VN.
#9 by sanahtlig
2021-06-09 at 19:14
< report >If you took an illustrated story book for children, recorded a video of you reading it aloud, and packaged that video in an EXE file, does that make it a game? Does that make it a visual novel?Last modified on 2021-06-09 at 19:19
#10 by jackyalltrades
2021-06-09 at 19:31
< report >I guess my question is why does it matter? Does classifying it as a game or not change anything? Will your experience in anyway be changed based on this classification? Will the industry really be changed in any significant way based on this classification?
#11 by vilani
2021-06-09 at 19:43
< report >Maybe we're the real video games
#12 by vninfohata
2021-06-09 at 19:46
< report >@6 this reminds me of this famous/infamous video.

link
#13 by mutsuki
2021-06-09 at 20:59
< report >are we humans? or are we visual novels?

we may never know
#14 by beliar
2021-06-09 at 21:08
< report >We are but pathetic creatures of meat and bone, only fit to submit to and serve the perfect immortal machines...
#15 by being
2021-06-10 at 01:01
< report >we are free
#16 by bluntythepirate
2021-06-10 at 01:05
< report >visual novels have been debating if they have truly been reading or playing us all alongLast modified on 2021-06-10 at 01:08
#17 by encrypted12345
2021-06-10 at 01:25
< report >@16 Truly, semantics are a bitch. Forever, the real Truth is outside the reach of humanity. Forever is the human race cursed to partake in a shared delusion upheld by questionable senses and unprovable axioms.
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#19 by fallenguru
2021-06-10 at 12:57
< report >I just wanted to say that I found Ryūkishi's position in Higurashi's Tatarigoroshi arc [but also apparent in the difficulty estimate at the start of each arc] interesting, namely that a mystery [novel] posits a mystery to the reader and challenges him to solve it.

If indeed one does engage with a mystery on those terms, I'd agree that it does become a game, even without any conventional gameplay or even choices in the work itself. All of that is in your mind. Your opponent is the omnipotent author (who's not allowed to cheat).
#20 by bobjr2000
2021-06-10 at 16:15
< report >No I don't see vn as games but I do tend to call them that because more interaction than movies/tv or books because of choices. But reality is I am looking for different things of when I am playing a video game vs reading VN. Ive bought some game type vn in past and been nothing but disappointment because very different format from which I enjoy playing video games. If video gams where as great and existed to have porn I probably would jump ship from vn right away. But any decent story telling or character development is thrown out widow for generic boring sex scenes. Graphics look nice but every thing else is shit which is whole reason I don't just watch regular porn all time.

kamidori alchemy meister and rance are maybe closest thing to game that I would enjoy. My only problem is Kamidori sex scenes is far apart and not a huge fan of sleeping with everyone as option. Also wish had more major characters with own stories and more sex scenes like traditional vn. And Rance just not really into him as a character.
#21 by shinytentacool
2021-06-10 at 16:44
< report >Japan certainly thinks so (-ge). I have a favorite games list and I have VNs in there. It's mostly for simplicitys sake
#22 by vninfohata
2021-06-10 at 21:31
< report >I debated today that visual novels are games because the developer decides at what pace we read. We can only read as fast as the scrolling allows and have to obey pauses and paratextual elements that the original creator intended to be there. A book can be read at your own leisure without waiting for text to appear so the text itself is somewhat interactive.

q.e.d VNs are games. Games that play with our hearts.Last modified on 2021-06-10 at 21:31
#23 by mutsuki
2021-06-10 at 21:46
< report >some people play with their hearts and some people play with their hands but others instead play with their
#24 by kiru
2021-06-11 at 05:58
< report >It runs on a computer of sorts. You have to press keys/buttons. That's a game. What some people may or may not want of a game is different for everyone. Just because you don't like a genre and don't enjoy it, it doesn't stop being a game.
Heck modern games like to play so much on auto pilot, there's barely a difference to a VN anymore..Last modified on 2021-06-11 at 05:58
#25 by eacil
2021-06-11 at 07:04
< report >QED Photoshop is a game. Thank you Kiru. (Link in #3 if for you.)
QED a plain book in a book reader with some throttling decided by the writer is suddenly a game. Thank you Hata.Last modified on 2021-06-11 at 07:04