Will a restoration patch be possible in the future

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#1 by hansfranz77
2021-06-27 at 01:49
< report >Reading the news that this and all future vns form this dev will be "all ages versions" made me feel incredibly disappointed. There is one source for it. link
The big question is which engine do these games use and what are the chances of a restoration patch for this?Last modified on 2021-06-27 at 01:51
#2 by ninety2pac
2021-06-27 at 02:24
< report >Per the release notes on VNDB, the game uses CatSystem2. I wouldn't bet on there being a restoration patch, but you never know.Last modified on 2021-06-27 at 02:24
#3 by xero95
2021-06-27 at 05:08
< report >Oh cool. A developer that doesn't want my money. Not going to buy any of their products from now on.
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#5 by vario
2021-06-27 at 07:37
< report >I hope everyone who's upset faps at least once to every h-scene in a plotge
#6 by Tremmy
2021-06-27 at 07:49
< report >I'll fap twice from now on if it means people stop doing this bullshit.
#7 by kiru
2021-06-27 at 08:29
< report >Seeing this thread, vndb's current quote is "Stop applying your eroge brain to reality"

It's so fitting, I had to post this.
#8 by rampaa
2021-06-27 at 11:04
< report >Seeing this thread, vndb's current quote is "They sure ought to release a 18+ patch for that."

It's so fitting, I had to post this.
#9 by coco4life
2021-06-27 at 11:41
< report >This VN has 5 scenario writers and 4 of them wrote H scenes ............. Now that is Something ;PLast modified on 2021-06-27 at 11:47
#10 by Mutsuki
2021-06-27 at 14:13
< report >the h scenes aren't even that good in this game who cares

i'm more peeved off that there's new content in the english version that isn't in the original. hope someone backports *something actually worth reading* into the original or there's a free update to the original.Last modified on 2021-06-27 at 14:14
#11 by vninfohata
2021-06-27 at 18:00
< report >The case with the teacher definitely profits from the h-scenes. The ones in Shakespeare and Traveling case don't need them. Case-0 then needs them again. Also @mutsuki the quality of the h-scenes in story titles do not matter, what matters is how they are woven into the story and if the feel like a cohesive connection that enhance the story and character relations or if they are an afterthought or outright jarring like in Utawarerumono or Muvluv.

In this game they definitely do that.
#12 by hansfranz77
2021-06-27 at 20:10
< report >#10
I hate this lazy excuse and that has nothing to do with my post anyways. The only thing that matters is getting a complete product. If the h-scenes are shit i can always skip them. But if they are not there in the first place, there is no way to get them back besides a patch made by the community, that is the core problem. So kindly stop this non argument and understand the reality of the situation.

Also where they censor h-scenes jokes and references get censored very often too. We already have confirmation of script changes in this game, btw, so it is a real possibility they will censor not just h-scenes but also the script itself. All of these things make the english version not worth any money, period.Last modified on 2021-06-28 at 13:24
#13 by Ileca
2021-06-27 at 21:17
< report >How much do you want to bet that the extra content we get is just what was planned for a Japanese console port anyway and has nothing to do with spoiling the gaijin so they stop crying about muh porn?
#14 by bathhouse-owner
2021-06-27 at 21:46
< report >If Nekonyan ports the game to Unity like they're currently doing with Mirai Radio, a patch seems highly unlikely.
However, lifting the translation and backporting it to the Japanese version seems possible, but then you'd have to discard the extras, meaning you will get an inferior version anyway.
In other words, you would get another Dies Iraes situation, but with the +18 version made by fans.Last modified on 2021-06-27 at 21:47
#15 by xero95
2021-06-28 at 04:37
< report >I love how people go "Oh the hentai scenes are shit so who cares blah blah" when it's about getting a COMPLETE PRODUCT.

But I expect nothing less from normies that first started with shitty OEVNs on Steam.
#16 by bluntythepirate
2021-06-28 at 06:12
< report >I am pretty much in agreement with #10, dont really care about whether or not the h scenes are in as long as the developer is doing it. I was actually mid read and might wait to see what the plan is, hopefully the new content is some type of free update for original
#17 by tester
2021-06-28 at 06:36
< report >If speaking about a possibility, you'd probably need to decompile (or at least disassemble) CatSystem2's scripts, edit them (while adding translated scenes) and compile (assemble) them back.

Unlike some engines (like codeX RScript, Ethornell (some versions), RenPy, Silky Engine, Stuff Script and such), there seems to be only string editors for the engine scripts with no actual code editors (or I just don't know about it).

It is possible to hack the script's code and write a tool, but it takes some time. So it'll probably need quite a few of dedication to complete the restoration patch via this method. So chances are not too high.
Of course, there are some other methods as well, but they'll probably give worse result.

So actually you wouldn't necessary
get another Dies Iraes situation
. It depends on the restoration method.

Of course, it's if the game wouldn't be ported on other engine.Last modified on 2021-06-28 at 06:55
#18 by Aresia
2021-06-28 at 08:43
< report >Reject mainstreamity, return to niche.
#19 by aojashinfan
2021-06-30 at 18:56
< report >See r80850.
#20 by zimbobwa1
2021-06-30 at 22:29
< report >#19 Thank you good sir, hopefully there's no engine changes for your sake.
#21 by aojashinfan
2021-06-30 at 22:47
< report >#20

By far the most likely candidate, as others have pointed out, is a Unity port. Given NekoNyan picked up Mirai Radio, it's very possible they also will be localizing Aojashin. If that indeed happens, Mirai Radio will be an early testing ground for reverse-engineering work, since it will presumably release prior to Aojashin and should be structurally similar to an Aojashin Unity port.

I already have some tools in mind in the event this happens, but this is pre-planning for a worst-case scenario. Ideally it won't come to that at all.
#22 by don-patch
2021-06-30 at 22:57
< report >#19
Is there any way to help you with the effort? I was planning on starting a project for this myself. I'm friends with the guys who are doing the restoration of Noratoto, know a couple of programmers, and am also a translator (mainly doujins though). As a Laplacian fan, I'd really like to help with this.
One of said programmers knows how to "rape Unity" (his words). I can put you in contact if you want.Last modified on 2021-06-30 at 23:05
#23 by aojashinfan
2021-06-30 at 23:38
< report >#22

I appreciate the offer, but right now I don't need any help since the engine work for the original Japanese version is finished. The rest is just translating, which is only about 8,200 lines.

Once we get closer to release I may look for some QC/QA people (and programmers if Unity rears its ugly head) to verify all censored scenes were restored, no text was missed, no crashes, typos, etc. But since we're still probably a year away, if not more, there's simply not enough work to fill that time even for me alone.

I have reservations about bringing others on to help translate for a variety of reasons. Mainly that I want to maintain consistency in the writing. The overwhelming majority of it is simple enough, with a large chunk being moans and groans. And ultimately, I don't have the energy to debate nuances of H-scenes with other translators or the whole "literal vs. loose" debacle. It's nothing personal against you.

At any rate, if/when that time comes around, I'll post a separate thread so it doesn't get lost.Last modified on 2021-06-30 at 23:39
#24 by don-patch
2021-06-30 at 23:52
< report >#23
Reeee let me help youuu!
I understand. However, I'd still like to discuss another personal matter related to this, in private. Would that be possible? Perhaps by making a throwaway account somewhere else, to maintain anonymity.
#25 by aojashinfan
2021-06-30 at 23:58
< report >#24
You can send me an e-mail through Gmail: AnonymousAojashinFan