Gangbangs ruin it

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#1 by bloodeagle
2021-08-18 at 16:48
< report >Coulda been great, but it just ruined it. Such a shame.

So sad that so many VN's have such great character designs, but end up just a waste of talent and resources.
#2 by shinytentacool
2021-08-18 at 18:35
< report >I know that feel. There's Jutaijima by same artist, no gangbangs afaik.
#3 by checkerpeck
2022-06-11 at 23:33
< report >It's only at the very end before you reach the cliffhanger for the sequel where it is then turned non-canon. In the sequel, you can get a proper end to each girl where there's no NTR or any other guys in the picture. This just a giant mountain of a molehill
#4 by scorpionmk11
2022-06-12 at 10:46
< report >I also wanted to play Meikoku Gakuen thanks to great designs by Butcha, but I read here that yes, orgy or NTR or whatever in first game is turned non-cannon in the second game but also the second game has LOT more NTR stuff in it? Kinda weirded out about that.
#5 by kratoscar2008
2022-06-12 at 13:54
< report >Yeah that "the first game gangbangs didnt happen but here have even MORE but canon gangbang!" shit. I remember the first game was followed by Sukebe Elf and I was worried they would add cuckshit. So since Butcha was heavily involved I imagine the gangbangs where his idea. Hope he stays with Clockup and does his shit there now that Lune only does 1 game a year.
#6 by checkerpeck
2022-06-12 at 14:13
< report >The sequel is split into two main branches, which splits VERY early into the game. The gangbangs only happen in one of the branches (arguably the "evil" route) and in a bad ending in the other branch. It's completely avoidable
#7 by kratoscar2008
2022-06-13 at 05:59
< report >I dont care its avoidable. VNs are all about player choice the ones who choose gangbang are as valid as those who avoid it.
Plus if the MC is a cuck in a route thats a personality trait that is part of the character.
Not to mention the heroines. Why would I trust she saying she loves the MC when we have a route where she is happly gulping down cocks?
Luckly this optional cuckshit bullshit is kind of rare now.
#8 by huntethan2
2022-06-13 at 06:19
< report >Funny, because the presence of that content is the only reason this is on my "tentatively give it a chance" list instead of directly putting it in the "bland wish fulfillment self-insert nukige" together with the rest of crap Lune usually churns out.
#9 by checkerpeck
2022-06-13 at 22:51
< report >@7 man you're taking it personally. It's literally completely isolated from the other route. It's like saying you don't want to play a vn because there's a single bad ending where the heroine dies and that makes you not even want to touch it. But it's not necessary to read that route to reach the true ending where she has 3 kids with the MC and lives happily ever after.

And there isn't even a confession before that those scenes so it's not even really cucking. Romantic feelings, especially from the MC, are dubious at best
#10 by scorpionmk11
2022-06-13 at 23:26
< report >#9 I kinda get from him same feeling I have towards these "avoidable" NTR games and that is - If it's in the game, I take it as a possible scenario that CAN happen. I get your example about avoidable heroine death, but NTR is bit different. It just sends bad signals about the heroine if let's say in NTR route MC doesn't show enough interest in girl and there she goes to a ugly fat bastard to get some attention out of him doesn't it? Looking at you Heartful Maman. God, that one still stings.

Don't get me wrong, I want to give Meikoku Gakuen a chance but if you would be kind enough to spoil me if the girls get into orgies of their own volition or if it is some magic hypnotism shit. I see from their character tags that there are some good endings where they can become wives, so that piqued my interest
#11 by checkerpeck
2022-06-14 at 02:38
< report >Like I said, the romance is dubious at best in the route with the gangbangs. The MC gives them enough dicking that they finally completely fall under the influence of the meikoku. Until then, there are a couple of scenes where right before that point where it has NTR elements (girl wanting MC's dick instead of some other guy, but still willing to blow them), but that's not really NTR because there's no romance element. Even when they do start fucking other guys, MC literally doesn't give a shit and often joins in. The "NTR" only really lasts for 1, maybe 2 h-scenes. After that, it can go to the harem ending where the baby is MC's anyway.

Also, the topic is on gangbangs, but there's actually way more scenes with only the MC as being the guy, but as always, there's an over reaction at the slightest hint of NTRLast modified on 2022-06-14 at 02:38
#12 by bobjr2000
2022-06-14 at 04:43
< report >Not a fan of gang bangs or ntr, barely even a fan of threesomes. I don't think is anything wrong for some one to be a fan of them just like it is for some one not to be fan of these tags. Don't see why either side has to force other to accept their view.

When it comes to original OP I can understand feeling of grass feeling greener because some of the art and character design do have talented people work on VN that not a fan of and they love to stick with same vns. But wish could see same work done on some vanilla titles.
#13 by kratoscar2008
2022-06-14 at 05:34
< report >#9
I mean I havent played Dal Segno because I know an heroine that interests me dies.
But I rather the girl die that having a CG where she is gulping down on cocks and now with the spoiler end also him being a cuck. I dont think choices happen in a vacuum. So I dont buy the idea that say if MC is a cuck in a route then he wont in the cuck in the other one. To me in VN choices, the choices speak of the MC personality so him choosing being a cuck is mainly him acting on his cuck desires that are part of his personality. So yeah how can I trust the happy ending of the heroine to the cuck?
Thats why I hate optional cucking, mainly if its just like 20% of the game. I have no issues with NTR games where the point is avoid being cucked, I wont play them but dont come near 90% MC centric games.
This issue is less common in japanese eroges now but many western ones are keeping optional cucking alive.
#14 by anay
2022-06-14 at 22:01
< report >#6 If that's true. Then this is one of the safest Butcha-U's work compared to other.
#15 by kratoscar2008
2022-06-15 at 08:23
< report >#15 That would be Jutaijima.
Other than Fat MC, its basically a vanilla game.
#16 by cillywillyboy
2022-11-23 at 20:51
< report >#13 vanilla absolutists are the main reason eroge arent as mainstream and arent selling as well as they could. Its basically impossible to make a widely loved eroge with so many of these ppl around cause they wont even touch a game with an avoidable scenario they dont like.

Funny how you dont really see any NTR/Sharing absolutists who will drop a game just because it has a non-ntr route. I could tell you that there exists ntr/gangbang art of every waifu you love and you could tell me that isn’t canon, but neither are the bad ends and alternative routes! So what exactly is the issue again??Last modified on 2022-11-23 at 21:02
#17 by bobjr2000
2022-11-23 at 21:04
< report >#16 I would say reason not main stream is because the fucking of children, slavery, rape, sex with monsters, necrophilia and the many other horrible things that normalized in vn eroge. Though I guess language barrier and some country laws also play in affect as well.
#18 by cillywillyboy
2022-11-23 at 21:20
< report >#17

Agreed. I should say its one of the reasons then. I just cant help but smh when i read #13 that makes no logical sense. So ntr fan-art of a character is apparently acceptable(since thats basically unavoidable) due to the fact its not canon. But if the OG creator does essentially the same thing by making an alternative non-canon dimension, where NTR happens, then its totally unacceptable???Last modified on 2022-11-23 at 21:22
#19 by checkerpeck
2022-11-25 at 19:33
< report >>slavery
>sex with monsters
>most popular type of eroge is moege

I didn't include the children part because that's actually true


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