Yet another 'best girl' doesn't get a route

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#1 by periah250
2021-10-15 at 18:15
< report >Add this game to the depressing list of games with best girls with no routes. Noa route should have been step 1!
#2 by Aresia
2021-10-15 at 21:14
< report >Agreed with you there. They're always prioritize these straight black-haired serious and refined yamato-nadeshiko type heroine stereotype which is the most boring stereotype out there. They lost me.Last modified on 2021-10-15 at 21:23
#3 by Ileca
2021-10-15 at 23:12
< report >Nice to see someone thinking like me. What's the point of fiction if it's always to get the most bland Japanese-type of heroine on our plate? I have this feeling that, before, all heroines had red, blue or green hair, but now it's all about realistic hair colors, with of course the black haired blob at the center. I am sure you can say the same about hairstyle.
That's pretty much why I always end up preferring secondary heroines and hating on the main one.
Maybe I am just raving.
#4 by periah250
2021-10-16 at 02:07
< report >My first intro to vns was my girlfriend was the president. There was a teal haired girl! Come on that was awesome!

Now its
Oh another black
#5 by necris
2021-10-17 at 09:23
< report >And if they gave us sister route anyway, why not the mother route?
#6 by literallolicon
2021-10-17 at 09:37
< report >It's all according to keikaku to sell any future disc (if they ever intended to publish one).
#7 by Aresia
2021-10-17 at 14:54
< report >This is not some new games someone released last year or something. And please, keep the mother fetish to their own market.
#8 by Ernovace
2021-10-17 at 15:30
< report >Well the black haired girl is the best girl and has the best route in the VN.
I'd even go further and say it is the "true" route even though there's no official true route in this VN.
#9 by styr
2021-11-16 at 20:55
< report >@4

The same thing that's been done with 'realistic' hair colors, we've been getting more and more unrealistic breast sizes lately in eroge. E.g. a decade ago it wasn't uncommon for D cup to be the largest bust size of any heroine from a certain title, but now? That might be the minimum, except for perhaps a token loli if you get lucky. So many eroge heroines have massive E+ cup sizes, and look, I get it; more heroines w/ bigger boobs = more sales, but you'd think there would be a point of diminishing returns or something, right...?

I swear seeing a heroine nowadays with a B or C cup is becoming increasingly uncommon. The heroines will have either cowtits or a washboard with very little in between. Kyonyuu has won.Last modified on 2021-11-16 at 20:56
#10 by Leonhart
2021-12-04 at 17:40
< report >There is nothing really unique about Noa when it comes to such VNs. She is the counterpart to the loud male friend that can just talk bluntly with the protagonists since she has zero feelings for him. And with as many dirty jokes to boot. A female friend character with her 100% exact way of acting is present in about 1 in 2 romcoms that come my way.

Among the heroines, the one with the highest statistical degree of "unique blend" is probably Itsumi. A serious character type like her usually is either a aloof/coodere or outright harsh in about 90% of the cases. So the fact that she is really bright, friendly and jokes around (anti-yamato nadeshiko) makes her a type I don't really expect seeing again any time soon.
To put it another way, her type is probably the most desirable IRL. Not only she gives the feeling she is capable of accomplishing anything, but you also never get to be bored with her around.

If we are to go even further and talk about how why there are no 100% unique female characters in such VNs, then the answer should be pretty obvious: because it's hard to write a convincing scenario where they would fall for a bland, common protagonist. They would have to make him really unique as well for that to happen, which is an NG in this industry 😅.
#11 by SirKljerk
2022-06-21 at 12:06
< report >The thing is, if she had a route, you wouldn't call her the "best girl". You think she is the best girl because she doesn't have a route. This is the case with any VN that has a relatively fun female side character. People always say "best girl no route"

#3 I'm not specifically talking about you, but people who think like this are generally the people who would never be satisfied regardless of the number of heroines we get. If Noa had a route, they would say "What about Kaname?". If she had a route too, they would cry "What about Mom? What about Tesshin? What about Girl C".

Grass is always greener on the other side. And not every girl has to love the MC. Just because it is fiction doesn't mean that every female breathing must be a slave for MC's dick. There are VNs like that, but not every VN has to be that type of VN.
#12 by norwegianboyee
2022-06-21 at 17:37
< report >You live up to your name jerk.
#13 by nirvaren
2022-06-21 at 17:42
< report >They hated SirKljerk because he told the truth
#14 by Leonhart
2022-06-21 at 19:49
< report >#11 I have thought before about everything you mentioned, so I agree. It's a real thing, we always tend to value more the things we can't have and it's called "scarcity bias".

And also I think it's a healthy thing in an unhealthy environment to have girls that are not slaves to MC's dick. Helps clear a bit the vastly flawed perception of the world we get drilled in our heads by these VNs.
#15 by norwegianboyee
2022-06-21 at 19:57
< report >Sometimes a game just has a very good and interesting side heroine that never get's the attention they deserve.
That doesn't mean all players of eroge are psychos that needs to have the protags D drilled into every character in the game to be happy. Come on people.
#16 by nirvaren
2022-06-21 at 20:12
< report >#14 Last thing we need is VNs that are trying to correct our perceptions. I'd play an EVN if I wanted that

#15 I get what you mean, but people seem to always want every side character who is female to have a route
#17 by dostedt
2022-06-22 at 12:12
< report >>Last thing we need is VNs that are trying to correct our perceptions. I'd play an EVN if I wanted that
I agree. I would hate it if Japanese VNs started to stand on their soapbox and preach about how evil I am for liking VNs as they are now. This is why EVNs are a plague.
#18 by SirKljerk
2022-06-22 at 14:27
< report >I like Japanese VNs as they are. In my opinion, there is something for everyone, which is exactly why I think not every VN should be "protagonist gets all the girs". I enjoy having female side characters that are not love interests.

On a partly relevant side note, Japanese VNs are better for forgetting your daily stress or even escapism than anything made in the west. Different cultures, different interactions and different problems than what you experience in real life is the reason why some people see Japanese VNs as something precious to them. They don't want their precious "otherworldly" stories to be polluted by the "filthy westernisms", because it would take away from the VN's escapism value.

One exception is "Katawa Shoujo". You see it recommended any time someone asks for a VN recommendation, regardless of the actual criteria. You would think the same people who doesn't want their precious Japanese VNs to be polluted by the "west" would hate this VN. Just like how VN heroines are written by guys specifically for guys, which in turn makes them "superior to real women". Katawa Shoujo is created by westerners specifically for westerners, and manages to scratch that itch very well. However, unfortunately I don't enjoy EVNs acting like Japanese VNs, and vice versa.

I think this is the same reason why you see lots of people bashing translations, especially when some Japanese jokes that nobody would get in the west gets localized and replaced by a "western" joke, or when honorifics are omitted.

Getting back on topic, I know and understand why people say "What about the side girl route" instead of moving on to a different VN. People who say this no doubt loves VNs for one reason or another, but there aren't enough Japanese VNs translated for them to read. And complaining about lack of routes is easier than learning a new language, which is probably the exact opposite of their mother tongue.Last modified on 2022-06-22 at 14:28
#19 by zakashi
2022-06-22 at 14:43
< report >There definitely are some VNs where a great girl doesn't have a route, G senjou devil comes to mind.
#20 by norwegianboyee
2022-06-22 at 15:02
< report >@18
I can read untranslated VN's just fine and i still want some side characters as a route.
#21 by kratoscar2008
2022-06-22 at 15:57
< report >The thing is that main heroines with route are usually carefully crafted like you would a doll on assembly lines so they are usually derivate of trends so they come off as extremely generic.
Side heroines on the other hand are designed with much less restrictions and are given more leeway when it comes to character's personality and more importantly design.
That's why they are usually more desired for a route and why even if you expand your VN repertoire you are likely to hit the same roadblock as this is an industry wide design choice.
And I dunno how having all the heroines fuckable more immersion breaking than the average protagonist shagging the super popular class president who has rejected countless boys but this boring dude does succeed. Sounds like people that do not accept that VNs are mostly an escapist medium are in full denial.
It's different for heavy story based VNs but moeges/nukiges have no excuse.
As for western VNs, I have played my fair share and I don't think I remember one lecturing me on anything. Maybe stop playing EVNs developed by raging feminists and SJWs lol.
#22 by aerkdude
2022-06-22 at 16:22
< report >Usually, VNs that are made by companies under Cuffs would have routes for female side characters as well albiet shorter than the main heroines. MintCUBE's previous VN and the one after this also have routes for side characters. So, I believe that they decided not to make Noa's route because they want to focus on the "seiyuu" heroines to fit the name and concept of the game, and Noa is not a seiyuu.
#23 by zakashi
2022-06-22 at 16:27
< report >Seeing the pictures I definitely think Noa is the most beautiful.
#24 by norwegianboyee
2022-06-22 at 17:09
< report >@21
Yeah that's the truth right there.
This is also why i tend to usually not like the designated "central heroine" in most VN as she is the one that they put the most of their stock into, and thus (imo) tends to be more artificial and generic compared to some of the "lesser" heroines, or side characters whom give room for much more interesting relationship with protag depending on how well the writer is doing.

Also there is some hope for side character lovers out there, and it is called an "fandisc". If an game is popular enough and a side character receives enough attention. It might convince the company to create an expansion that makes your waifu ascend from extra to heroine.
But this isn't relatively common unless the producer has a history of creating fandiscs from their most popular games. And enough people agreeing with you that the side character, does in fact deserve an route.
#25 by SirKljerk
2022-06-22 at 17:58
< report >#24 For whatever reason, I never seem to get into fandisks or even sequels. I feel like I'm missing out on a lot.